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Of Mice and Men Debate

Answer the following questions as completely as you can -- refer to the expectations of the debate before you answer!

1.  Is mercy killing right or wrong?  Why or why not?
2. What should society do with old or crippled people (Like Candy)?
3. What should society do with mentally handicapped people (Like Lennie)?
4. Is George justified in killing Lennie?  Why or why not?
5. Chapter 6 ends the same location that Chapter 1 begins.  How is the end of the novel similar/different from the beginning of Chapter 1?

After you have answered all five of the following questions respond to two of your classmates.  Once again, provide your classmates with meaningful responses -- refer to the expectations of the debate before you respond to your classmates!
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(1) I believe that mercy killing is good and bad it is good because if there's no fix to get it better whatever they have it should be there choice. I also think it is not good because they might just want to take the easy way out of things and not want to fight for there life because it might be a long time till it goes away, or they might not want to try because it would cost so much for there family.

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I completely agree with you. Mercy killing is such a painful thing so to take the out of their pain is a good thing but to do it is the hard part.

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(2) If there able to work let them work, if they cant work but can live on there own let them stay at home till they want to live in a home or until they die.

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I agree with what you say. I agree that you should let them do what they want to do.

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I agree if they want to work then let them, they are more than likely not able to tend for themselves but if they can live them live the way they want to.

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(3) I believe that mentally handicapped people are like everyone else and should be included in society as much as possible. I especially think this is the case when it comes to full classroom inclusion inside of the classroom. Full inclusion has proved to benefit both the student being implemented into the regular classroom and the other students in the classroom with him or her...

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I agree handicap people are people too and they shouldn't be treated differently

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1. I don't think that it is okay to mercy kill humans, Now I think it may be a different situation if an animal is in pain or is need of being euthanize. Being mercy killed is the same as murder if its not in the need of an animal. Mercy killing a human is wrong.

2. I think that people that are old and crippled can be put into places that have similar problems, One example would be old people homes. All the people that are in there are having similar problems and need help. It is a good thing to have these homes. It provides a place for the older people to live and to be taken care of and it allows more jobs to be created to take care of them.

3. I think that there is programs to take care of people that are mentally handicapped and to help them get better in society. Some of the programs that are included are ISI in Battle Creek. It is a program that is designed to help them cope and to give them a place that has similar people with disabilities. Society has to accept the fact that people with disabilities exist and they are real people as well. They just have different needs than other people.

4. I do not think that George is justified to kill Lennie. The reason that i think this is because if the guys got to him they would have killed him or George could have talked them into letting him go to jail in Soledad. If they would have taken him to the jail he could have gotten the help that he needs and can not have this happen again. That's all that Lennie needed in life, was to get help. He had good intentions the whole time he just had times that he couldn't control himself and maybe if he was able to be better controlled he can be a better person.

5. I think the setting at the beginning of the story was a different feeling than what was at the end of the story. When they were there the first time they were seeming on the same page and wanted to go to the ranch and be happy. Little did we know that it wouldn't end that way. When they got to the end of the story and Lennie ran to the brush to hide from the men i think that was to represent a place where they were both happy. At the beginning we found out a lot about them and what they wanted to do. When the story began they were happy and they had the dream. At the end the only person that was dreaming was Lennie and George wasn't dreaming. He was going to kill Lennie and wanted him to have good thoughts just before he died. He had all that he wanted when he died and he was still thinking he was going to go to the ranch and get the rabbits.

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1. It depends on the situation to make it right. In Lennie's situation it was probably the right thing because the group of men from the ranch where gonna lock him up and lynch him. And George didn't want to see Lennie suffer like that. But in a case of Lennie not being mentally challenged, no because he knew what he was doing and he should be lynched for it.

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4) I don't think that George is justified about killing Lennie because of how close they've been throughout their lives. Before George kills Lennie, George hesitates to pull the trigger multiple times. George doesn't want to kill Lennie, but he tricks himself into doing so because if he doesn't, the men that wanted Lennie dead would of been worse for Lennie. Right before George does it, he puts a happy thought of the little place that they'e going to get and what animals they're going to have. George wanted to make sure that Lennie had a happy thought in his mind before he got killed. Even when George was going to kill Lennie, he still wanted to make sure he was okay.

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I Agree as well. He still cared about the well being of Lennie and didn't just want to let him get killed by the party that was coming after him.

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I agree. When Lennie got scared he couldn't control himself. George knew that. George knew that Lennie didn't mean to do know harm but he shot him because he didn't want to do anything with him and did it for the guys. The happy thought was a very good thought to put in his mind.

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I agree. When Lennie got scared he couldn't control himself. George knew that. George knew that Lennie didn't mean to do know harm but he shot him because he didn't want to do anything with him and did it for the guys. The happy thought was a very good thought to put in his mind.

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I agree. When Lennie got scared he couldn't control himself. George knew that. George knew that Lennie didn't mean to do know harm but he shot him because he didn't want to do anything with him and did it for the guys. The happy thought was a very good thought to put in his mind.

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2. if the elderly can take care of them self let them be but if the elderly are unable to take care of them selfs they should be put in a nursing home or assisted living.

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{4}George is not very happy when he kills Lennie. He hesitated before he actually killed him. He did put happy thoughts in his head before he left. Another reason why he did this was he was trying to distract Lennie. It wasn't going to be painful for Lennie if he didn't know what George was doing and what his plan was. George knew deep down inside it wasn't the right thing to do but he did it for the other guys.

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I agree with this because George didn't want to do this, but he had to for the other guys. And I agree with you saying that it wasn't going to be painful for Lennie because he didn't know George's plan.

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I agree George wasn't very happy after he had pulled the trigger.

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(3) I think that they should put them in a home if there really bad and someone can't take care of them. I also think that if there well enough to work just let them work just make sure that they got a safe job where they wont hurt them selves or someone else.

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I agree with the saftey of themselves and to other. I think that if they want to work that they should. If anything it can help them improve their motor skills and to help them get better perhaps. It can also help them work on there people skill and communication with others.

What's the context, though?

Mercy killing is fine, because it makes no sense to force someone to live when they've noticed that their existence is going to be even more worthless and painful than general.

Society can do whatever it deems right. Which, apparently, changes with their needs. Though others might later call them inhuman or something, they can act on it if they think it's of any concern.

Judging from the comments, yes, he was justified. He did it in her interest, and it didn't really make much other difference than sparing her a more painful death.

What's the context, though?

Mercy killing is fine, because it makes no sense to force someone to live when they've noticed that their existence is going to be even more worthless and painful than general.

Society can do whatever it deems right. Which, apparently, changes with their needs. Though others might later call them inhuman or something, they can act on it if they think it's of any concern.

Judging from the comments, yes, he was justified. He did it in her interest, and it didn't really make much other difference than sparing her a more painful death.

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(4) i say yes because there wasnt gonna be away out of this one that he got in trouble for .

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1) I don't think mercy killing a human is right. If you think about it, you are still killing a person. If it's an animal that's in pain and old, than that's a different story. Mercy killing a human shouldn't be right.

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(4) i say yes because there wasnt gonna be away out of this one that he got in trouble for .

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1) I think that mercy killing is okay to a curtain extent. I think its okay to put an old dog down, if its suffering.

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Mercy killing can go either way. In situations where there is a wrong doing of an individual where they have killed another person on purpose or had major intentions, then it that situation it is right. Sort of an eye for an eye deal. But where a black gets caught doing something or commits a crime of some sort that is not worthy of killing but they think that a mercy killing would be suited because someone is black or of another race, that is not right.

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(5) Its diffrent because george kills lennie because he had gotten into trouble. He takes the gun at the cabbin with him and shoots lennie right in the back of the head. Lennie had mest up big time.

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they should live with there familys. but if the family is unable to take care of them the should put them in a home where they cant hurt themselfs or anyone else, and be taken good care of.

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I agree with this because if a family isn't capable of taking care of someone, then they should get put where they can get taken care of, and it still will be good for the person and the family and society in general.

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2) I think that crippled people should be taken care of in society, but they should be put somewhere that people are able to take care of them. If you like helping people, this could be good for you as well. If there is somewhere that these people can go, it can provide stability for them and for society.

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(5) Its diffrent because george kills lennie because he had gotten into trouble. He takes the gun at the cabbin with him and shoots lennie right in the back of the head. Lennie had mest up big time.

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I believe that mentally handicapped people should be able to do what they want. If they can't get around by themselves, they should be having someone helping them around so they can do what they want. They should be able to work or do whatever they want to do.

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Mercy killing can go either way. In situations where there is a wrong doing of an individual where they have killed another person on purpose or had major intentions, then it that situation it is right. Sort of an eye for an eye deal. But where a black gets caught doing something or commits a crime of some sort that is not worthy of killing but they think that a mercy killing would be suited because someone is black or of another race, that is not right.

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I agree with ya there boiiiiiiiiiiiii It helps when the family has to pay for the medical bills and stuff it also helps if theres nothing you can do about that person getting better.

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I agree with ya there boiiiiiiiiiiiii It helps when the family has to pay for the medical bills and stuff it also helps if theres nothing you can do about that person getting better.

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I agree with you about 98.36484038%. I'm only still typing because I didn't reach the minimum number of words in this thinger

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2) i think old people should be cared for and taken in. If old people were canned from their job they probably would be homeless.

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goerge i feel is justified for killing lennie cause it was amore peacful way to go and was easier for george to do it the way he did

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3) I think mentally handicap people should be cared for like anyone else but they also shouldn't be held responsible for mistakes.

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Society should handle people like Candy with ultimate care and need. Those types of people like candy, that have a desire to still work and do as much as they can but have something that prevents them or is holding them back from reaching their full potential is what is where society can come in and help. Society can give them things such as easier jobs that they are able to do with the resources they have and also give them a nicer living setting because more than likely if they are looking for help they didnt come from much before. This is how society can help people like Candy.

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sounds good to me its pretty much what i put in mine as well

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4) I feel like George was justified in killing Lennie because he kept causing problems and he was killed someone. If George didn't kill Lennie Lennie was probably going to think it was okay to keep killing people and he was probably going to do it again.

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I do not think Mercy killing is a good thing in regards to humans. I do believe that it is a good thing if an animal is suffering or something along those lines. I feel that it can go either way.

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I do agree on the fact that if someone is suffering then they should go out in a way that is pain free and is acceptable to do a killing in this way.

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3) I feel like society should put people that are mentally handicapped in places where they can't hurt themselves or society. They aren't in their right mind set, so we shouldn't punish them for what they've done. But they should be taken care of properly so they aren't doing things they're not supposed to. We can't blame someone for what happened to them.

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Society should handle people like Candy with ultimate care and need. Those types of people like candy, that have a desire to still work and do as much as they can but have something that prevents them or is holding them back from reaching their full potential is what is where society can come in and help. Society can give them things such as easier jobs that they are able to do with the resources they have and also give them a nicer living setting because more than likely if they are looking for help they didnt come from much before. This is how society can help people like Candy.

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Society should handle people like Candy with ultimate care and need. Those types of people like candy, that have a desire to still work and do as much as they can but have something that prevents them or is holding them back from reaching their full potential is what is where society can come in and help. Society can give them things such as easier jobs that they are able to do with the resources they have and also give them a nicer living setting because more than likely if they are looking for help they didnt come from much before. This is how society can help people like Candy.

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(1) I think mercy killing can be both good and bad. Say someones terminally ill with cancer and they don't want to let the cancer decide when they die. I think it would be fine then. It can also be bad because people can try to use it as an easy way out of their problems.

(2)I think we should let old people do their own thing. Let them work until they want to/cant work anymore, and I think we should only put them in homes if they need it. Same goes for crippled people. Let them work if they can, and only give them help if the need/want it.

(3)I think mentally handicapped people should be included in society as much as possible. If we include them in society, they learn how to act around normal people, and normal people learn how to act around them.

(4)I think George is justified for killing Lennie. George knew Lennie was either going to die a painful death because of Curley, or Lennie was going to sit in jail strapped up because hes mentally challenged. George killed Lennie because he didn't want Lennie to suffer.

(5)At the end of the story, they're in the same setting, but it feels a lot less happy. The beginning of the story seemed happy as we learned about the farm and them going to work. As George kills Lennie, he tells him about the farm. I think that sort of signifies the dying of their dream.

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4) I think George killed Lennie so some else didn't. He didn't want Curely doing it. I think what George did the right thing at the time, he didn't really want to.

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i agree becausee goerge didnt want to see lennie

get lynched

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Society should handle people like Candy with ultimate care and need. Those types of people like candy, that have a desire to still work and do as much as they can but have something that prevents them or is holding them back from reaching their full potential is what is where society can come in and help. Society can give them things such as easier jobs that they are able to do with the resources they have and also give them a nicer living setting because more than likely if they are looking for help they didnt come from much before. This is how society can help people like Candy.

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I feel like chapter one was different from chapter 6 in the fact that the relationship between Geroge and Lennie in the fact that George has to decide if he should kill Lennie or not. I feel like it's the same though because George is trying to help Lennie both times.

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5) At the beginning, George tells Lennie that he should come under this bush to hide if he ever gets in trouble. It was a happy mood because they were talking about the ranch they were going to have. At the end of the story, they're in the same place, but George knows he has to protect Lennie from the men wanting to kill him. The mood changes drastically because of what Lennie did.

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Society should give people like Lennie the benefit of the doubt. They are giving Lennie a big chance to prove what he is good at. And that is being a strong horse. So, what society do is let people find what their strong hold in life is and let them find a way to work or do something productive in what they love doing. That will make the people happy and then that will make the society look good as well so it will be good for both society and people.

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I feel like society should do with the elderly and cripple like they do now. They help out when they need the help. They basically want to help them as much as they can. They sometimes can be rude and treat them poorly because of there disability.

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5)Its similar because George would tell Lennie about the ranch. it different because in chapter 1 they eat beans and in chapter 6 Lennnie dies.

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I also think people should treat mentally handicapped people like they do now. They need some guidance to do the right thing because they don't know any better because they have a slower learning process.

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I feel like George knew that Lennie was going to be killed either way. Otherwise they would torture him and be very cruel to him. George didn't want Lennie to be scared and hurt when he died so he talked about there happy place and then shot him to where he wouldnt feel anything.

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I think that George Killing Lennie was definitely very hard for him. I couldnt Imagine being in his place. I Really liked that George tried to put Lennie into a happy state of mind just before he pulled the trigger. It showed that they were close and that Lennie would listen to anything George would tell him. Maybe George wanted a happy thought in Lennieś head before he died so that when he went to heaven he was living his dream of tending the rabbits on the little place they were going to buy with a shack on it and a stove inside and some bunks and a cow and many other animals.

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I absolutely agree with what you have said. It is very well put into words and i think that that is exactly what George was trying to do.

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I think that George Killing Lennie was definitely very hard for him. I couldnt Imagine being in his place. I Really liked that George tried to put Lennie into a happy state of mind just before he pulled the trigger. It showed that they were close and that Lennie would listen to anything George would tell him. Maybe George wanted a happy thought in Lennieś head before he died so that when he went to heaven he was living his dream of tending the rabbits on the little place they were going to buy with a shack on it and a stove inside and some bunks and a cow and many other animals.

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I think that The story has a point to starting at the same location and ending at the same location. Where they started all they could think about was what they wanted and how nice it would be if they had some money and what they would do with it and whatnot. Well then going to the ranch they were trying to work to build up to fufiill those dreams and dreams dont happen without some sort of hard times. If you didnt have any hard times you would never know what a good time was like. At the end when Lennie died and george was left Lennie was so enthused at the beginning to what george was filling his head full of of what they were going to have and then finally he got it and the end when he told lennie a happy thought before he pulled the trigger and instantly when he was in heaven im sure he got right to tending the rabbits and doing what he wanted to do. Thats why It was started and ended at the same place.

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I agree 100% Boi. It was a good thing for George to do that for Lennie because they were good together and then Lennie murdered someone on accident.

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At the beginning of the book they are going to a place and going to work so they can find a nice place to stay. At the end of the Novel Lennie gets shot in the head and you don't know what ends up happening to George.

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1. Is mercy killing right or wrong? Why or why not?

I think mercy killing is right to a point. Mercy killing is killing a patient that is in a suffering condition. I don't think it right where it is happening all the time. Mercy killing is a big deal. In this movie mercy killing was in this movie with Candy's dog.

2. What should society do with old or crippled people (Like Candy)?

With Candy it is just his hand. But I feel like they can't just get rid of them. They need to help them out.

3. What should society do with mentally handicapped people (Like Lennie)?

They should help the mentally handicapped for many reasons. The main one is they don't know how to handle themselves. Lennie couldn't control himself when he got mad and broke Curly's hand or snapped Curly's wife's neck. They also don't know how to handle themselves when things go to heck.

5. Chapter 6 ends the same location that Chapter 1 begins. How is the end of the novel similar/different from the beginning of Chapter 1?

Well it is similar because of the location but it is different because of the mood. Yes, George is putting a happy thought into Lennie's head but for George, it is not the same. George knows what he has to do and he has never been in this situation and it's just a very rough thing to go through.

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1. Is mercy killing right or wrong? Why or why not?

I think mercy killing is right to a point. Mercy killing is killing a patient that is in a suffering condition. I don't think it right where it is happening all the time. Mercy killing is a big deal. In this movie mercy killing was in this movie with Candy's dog.

2. What should society do with old or crippled people (Like Candy)?

With Candy it is just his hand. But I feel like they can't just get rid of them. They need to help them out.

3. What should society do with mentally handicapped people (Like Lennie)?

They should help the mentally handicapped for many reasons. The main one is they don't know how to handle themselves. Lennie couldn't control himself when he got mad and broke Curly's hand or snapped Curly's wife's neck. They also don't know how to handle themselves when things go to heck.

5. Chapter 6 ends the same location that Chapter 1 begins. How is the end of the novel similar/different from the beginning of Chapter 1?

Well it is similar because of the location but it is different because of the mood. Yes, George is putting a happy thought into Lennie's head but for George, it is not the same. George knows what he has to do and he has never been in this situation and it's just a very rough thing to go through.

1. Is mercy killing right or wrong? Why or why not?

Mercy killing is right under certain circumstances. Such as the way George killed Lennie. Lennie would of been beaten up if not tortured if George did not kill him.

2. What should society do with old or crippled people (Like Candy)?

Society needs to be easier on older crippled people. Who knows what they did in their lifetime. They could of been a brilliant scientist or a forgotten killer. Either way the elders need to be taken care of before anyone else. They have payed their taxes and they deserve something from it.

3. What should society do with mentally handicapped people (Like Lennie)?

People like Lennie need to be helped and people and laws need to be built around them to protect them.

4. Is George justified in killing Lennie? Why or why not?

George is looking out for the best interest of Lennie. Lennie suffered very little when George shot him. But those other guys could of shot him but not killed him and could of tortured him. Making his death that much more painful.

5. Chapter 6 ends the same location that Chapter 1 begins. How is the end of the novel similar/different from the beginning of Chapter 1?

Chapter 1 Lennie kills a girl and Chapter 6 Lennie kills another girl. Both on accident but still his curiosity killed them both.

School is almost over, Finish strong kids! Do not let the stress from finals and such pull you down.

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1) I believe that mercy killing is 100% okay! If someone is going to die eventually then why procrastinate it. People that are against this normally say "who says it's okay for you to play God". As this is true, I also feel like it is morally wrong to let someone that has a poor quality of life to live in the conditions that they are living in.

Mercy killing is never 10% okay say if someone is in a coma and they had a very slime chance of surviving but they would of if you just let them be. But you pull the plug on them. They could of lived but since you had them killed you would not know if they would of lived or not. Many cases have happened where this is true.

http://www.cbs46.com/story/35260964/surviving-teen-awake-from-coma-after-crash-killed-her-four-friends

http://www.everydayhealth.com/healthy-living-pictures/waking-up-famous-coma-survivors.aspx

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2) Everyone has their own opinions on what society should do with old or crippled people. My opinion is that you should let them do them. Let them do whatever they want. If they mess up they mess up and they have to deal with the repercussions for what they did.