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The only down side, Obama may get re-elected ;)

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No doubt about that! I was already thinking of that ...

Jasmine96(2) Disputed
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never !! it was all a game to end up the mess. the americans got wexed of staying in the central asia. and it wuld be a direct hit on the U.S govt reputation back at home, if the americans go with empty hands.

I already said that this announcement was only for political gain.

protazoa(427) Disputed
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I personally consider that a plus.

Possible retaliation attacks, on the other hand...

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I think the death of bin laden is completely irrelevant, americans seem to think this guy master minded every islamic terrorist action for the last 10 yrs, the fact is he probably had wasnt even the master mind of 9/11, all that is certain is that he was heavily involved in creating al queda, and that he worked very closely with the cia during the russian occupation of afghanistan.

Really this guy is no figure head, his death is no cause for celebration, he did what he set out to do i.e. formed al queda, Obama said justice had been done, i see no justice, i see thousands of dead on 9/11(and all the other attacks since then i.e. london train station, bali etc. etc.), i see 1 million dead in Iraq, i see tens of thosuand dead in afghanistan,i see their peoples on their kness, and i dont see anyone anywhere on trial for these crimes.

No one is being held accountable, were just being fed shit and being told its chocolate, i got news for ya, its shit!!!!!!

Bin laden could have easily been captured and put on trial, you know to see what this guy actually knew, but no he was killed probably for that exact reason i.e. Obama didn't want the info. this guy had getting out, i wonder why???????????????????????

You americans go ahead and have your moment, i suppose your media has been training your minds to beleive this man is the anti-christ for the last 10 yrs so his death no doubt seems like cause for celebration, il just say this, this man did all the damage he ever intended to do, and got away with it, and has been living in a pakistani mansion for the last 10 yrs with the full knowledge of the pakistani authorites, and ill bet with US knowledge as well. Think about it, do you really think this mans location was a big secret to the US, just think about for one second.

Bohemian(3860) Disputed
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I think the death of bin laden is completely irrelevant

Irrelevant to what? A topic about him being dead?

americans seem to think this guy master minded every islamic terrorist action for the last 10 yrs

No, just Al Qaeda.

the fact is he probably had wasnt even the master mind of 9/11

Based on???? A hunch of yours?

and that he worked very closely with the cia during the russian occupation of afghanistan.

Yes, to fight the soviets. Then when we helped them defeat the soviets and as soon as the cold war ended they turned against us. The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend.

Really this guy is no figure head

Of Al Qaeda he was.

his death is no cause for celebration

I would beg to differ. He intentionally caused the death of thousands of civilians worldwide. If I can celebrate labor day, I can sure as hell celebrate his death. The world is a better place without him.

i see thousands of dead on 9/11(and all the other attacks since then i.e. london train station, bali etc. etc.)

...and i dont see anyone anywhere on trial for these crimes.

How do you convict a corpse?

i see 1 million dead in Iraq, i see tens of thosuand dead in afghanistan

As generally happens in war. That was the aim, to utterly destroy the al Qaeda network and their Taliban backers. Do you think these dead were civilians? Do civilians bury bombs in fucking roads? Should I weep for their deaths? 7.5 million Germans died in WWII, should I weep for their deaths as well?

,i see their peoples on their kness

Oh give me a fucking break. Where were they when they flew a plane into a building killing thousands of American citizens? Where they on their knees then? How about the US embassy bombings? Or the bombing of the USS cole? Were they on their Knees then?

You have the underdog syndrome to the point of lunacy. Just because one side is smaller or weaker does not given them the moral high-ground. You sympathize with murderers, who if they had the chance would kill you as well.

Bin laden could have easily been captured and put on trial

I'm sorry I wasn't aware you were an expert on special Ops. You don't know enough about the situation to make that kind of statement.

but no he was killed probably for that exact reason i.e. Obama didn't want the info. this guy had getting out, i wonder why???????????????????????

Another of your conspiracy theories.

The reality is that Osama was never prevented from getting out any information he wanted. In fact, he and his organization released many tapes and created many websites to say exactly what it is they wanted to say. So your conspiracy that he was killed to conceal some secret information, is completely ludicrous just like everything else you say.

garry77777(1796) Disputed
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"Irrelevant to what?"

Irrelevant to anything, im taking about the fact that this is being celebrated as some kind of vicotry, this has achieved nothing, it means nothing, all that happened was a muslim man was killed, nothing more.I'm not addressing the deabte title directly, im taking about the jubilation currently going on in the us as people mistakenly think they've killed some ring leader, some orchestrator , and i have no doubt that was exactly the intention of the administration in order to secure another 4 yrs for obama (again i don't know im speculating).

"No, just Al Qaeda."

He financed al queda and was involved in its creation, and 9/11 thats all that is known, that was point. This guy wasn't calling the shots, giving direction to suicide bomber, he wasn't like some military leader like so many beleive.

"The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend."

Well i suppose once they were rid of the USSR they thoughts turned to the other imperial power severly oppressing their people don't you agree? BTW im not a supported of al queda before you throw that in my face.

"Of Al Qaeda he was."

My piont is the way he was depicted in the media, fair enough he may have been a figure head for the movement, but that means nothing, its irrelevant.

"The world is a better place without him."

I agree but that doesn't mean anything, take an example, a drone attack in pakisatan kills a few al queda militants, thats much more cause for celebration in my opinion, this mans death means nothing.

"How do you convict a corpse?"

I refering to Obamas declaration that justcie has been done, what justice, i dont see any justice.

"Should I weep for their deaths"

MY God man. Germans wanted Hitler in power, most Iraqis didnt want Saddam, secondly germany tried to take over europe, Saddam did nothing to warrant the invasion the second time round. If you thinkm that the 1 million people that died over the course of the Iraq war were Saddam's men or even people that backed him you're deluded. What about the 500,000 children who died due to US sanctions(sourced from Amnesty international), i suppose they had it coming for being born in a country where americans puppet regime went rouge, or they had it coming for being born in country with lots of oiil that imperialists like the US wanted to steal.

"hould I weep for their deaths as well?"

No the scenarios are incomparable and trying to so in order to rationlise the deaths of over 1 million people only shows you for what you are you biased american apologist.

"here were they when they flew a plane into a building killing thousands of American citizens"

The fact that you blame the helpless peoples of Iraq and afghanistan for those hanus crimes again only shows you for what you are.

"here they on their knees then?"

No they were being ruled by a totalatarian leader (Saddam)backed financially and miltarily by your great nation for much of his tenure.

"here they on their knees then? How about the US embassy bombings? Or the bombing of the USS cole? Were they on their Knees then?"

Yes those are all terrible crimes but what you can't seem to realise (probably cause you dont want to) is that when you compare the numbres of middle deaths over the last 10-20 years you begin to realise who is really suffering.

"'m sorry I wasn't aware you were an expert on special Ops."

The fact you think he couldn't only demonstrates how nieve you are.

"nother of your conspiracy theories"

You're right its complete speculationto assume anything, but if wouldnt be saying this if he was put on trial.

Bohemian(3860) Disputed
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I think the death of bin laden is completely irrelevant, americans seem to think this guy master minded every islamic terrorist action for the last 10 yrs

Information confirming bin Laden’s active role in al Qaeda continues to emerge, painting the portrait of a “micro-manager,” as an unidentified U.S. official quoted in ProPublica, called him.“He was down in the weeds [determining] best operatives, best targets, best timing.”And U.S. intelligence analysts pouring over bin Laden’s personal diary have concluded that he was involved in “every recent major al Qaeda threat.”

He also remained involved in planning future attacks and urged his followers to recruit non-Muslims and minorities - especially African Americans and Latinos - for attacks on New York City, Los Angeles, and smaller cities on significant dates such as July 4 and September 11. As the world’s foremost expert on bin Laden, Peter Bergen, summed up, “OBL was the leader of the leaderless jihad!”

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/13/why-osama-bin-laden-mattered/ ?hpt=T2

garry77777(1796) Disputed
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"Information confirming bin Laden’s active role in al Qaeda continues to emerge, painting the portrait of a “micro-manager,” as an unidentified U.S. official quoted in ProPublica, called him.“He was down in the weeds [determining] best operatives, best targets, best timing.”And U.S. intelligence analysts pouring over bin Laden’s personal diary have concluded that he was involved in “every recent major al Qaeda threat."

Even if the above is entirely factual i fail to see how it invalidates my argument, the fact is he was capable of doing very little from his home in pakistan (whether he wanted to or not) aside from maybe approving some attacks. Al Queda has no leader it feeds on the hatred of the US (and there no shortage of that given your hanus actions) and is completely self perpetuating.

Next why should we beleive a word that comes from a man who is clearly speaking for washington who want the world to beelive they just killed Hitler 2 i.e. "Dr. Bruce Hoffman, Director, RAND Washington Office at Washington Foreign Press Center. This man is a mouth piece for the biggest terrorist organisation on the face of the planet (i.e. the US army and government) and i think anything he says when speaking for washington (which he clearly is) should be met with extreme sceptism, ill believe something when i see the proof, they killed him and now they want us to swalloqw their bullshit about what was really going on, i refuse to ebelive anything until the proof is in the public domain. And if you really consider yourself a rational objective person you should be thinking the same but your judgement is clouded by nationalism and indoctrination.

Your argument may have some shred of validity if washington hadn't purposely kept his death shrowded in secrecy, yes thats right, and its not for any bullshit reason yoyu want to think i.e. protecting american civiilans by not antagonising the arabs by showing his death etc. etc. (you really love to rationalise for your government dont you, the problem is what you say doesnt really fit in with the reality e.g. yesterday you said to me that they didnt capture him in order to mitigate against the chance of Al Queda taking civilians, to be honest i was even surprised that you made such an idiotitc argument but i suppose it shows how delluded you really are)

Heres Robert Fisk on the issue:

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2011/05/02/3205479.htm

protazoa(427) Disputed
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among the various inaccuracies of your statement: there is one thing above all others that I must point out.

"Bin laden could have easily been captured and put on trial, you know to see what this guy actually knew, but no he was killed probably for that exact reason i.e. Obama didn't want the info."

1) it took 10 years to even capture him... and when they did find him he rushed into a room where The SEALs found an AK-47 rifle and a Russian-made Makarov pistol on a shelf- obviously they shot him.

Additionally, much information was gathered from his house, his letters, his computer: such as his plans to destroy a train.

garry77777(1796) Disputed
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So you mean to tell me that theres no way they could have caputred the man, no way, i find that extremely nieve. Now you can call that opinoin a biased conspiracy if you like i really dont care, i personally think the most crack team of Us navy seals in the world could have captured him alive if they had been told to do so.

"Obama didn't want the info"

yes, again call it a conspiracy theory if you like, i think he was killed to prevent the origins of this man from becoming known to the world cause i dont think it would have reflected well on the US, i may be completely wrong but i guess we'll never know cause your honest truthful government killed him and kept the whole thing shrowded in secrecy.

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For the large part, I agree with Bohemian in most of his arguments. The fact is that Osama bin Laden was an active member of Al Qaeda at the point of his death and he was key to several terrorist plots, many of which ended in massive casualties. 9/11 would be the obvious example. This is reason enough for execution, and reason enough for celebration at justice being dealt and many more innocent lives being saved.

Also, just in response to a snippet I read, Osama bin Laden could not have been tactically extracted by Seal Team Six. They were already basically invading a sovereign country without planning to take a hostile prisoner back over to the States for trial. It was an unnecessary risk of American lives.

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iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
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I disagree it was unnecessary.

I think you'd find the majority of military and even a number of out of shape lazy regular citizens more than willing to potentially throw their lives away if it meant putting one above the fucker's left eye.

It's a good thing, and a good call. There's no real way to critizise this I think if you're taking everything into consideration.

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Yes he is dead and this was long awaited. This also makes us the target again for the followers.

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Your welcome!

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Billie(790) Disputed
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Your welcome!

I think it is you who needs to do a spell check, not Thewayitis ...

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Unfortunately spell check will allow it...needs grammar check.

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Bohemian(3860) Disputed
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If you're going to complain about: Your as opposed to You're, then you must really be reaching.

I was pointing out the hypocrisy of thewayitis criticizing my grasp of the English language while at the same time making gross spelling and grammatical errors in the very same sentence.

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Troy8(2433) Disputed
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Last time I checked, "your" was a word...

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garry77777(1796) Disputed
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Hey why no response, wait i know, your sick of hearing the truth that you've hidden from yourself.

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Bohemian(3860) Disputed
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Hey why no response, wait i know, your sick of hearing the truth that you've hidden from yourself.

Unlike you I actually research my responses. So it takes a little time to write a full rebuttal.

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So what?! It changes nothing.

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Bohemian(3860) Disputed
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I think it means something. Osama Bin Laden was the founder of Al Qaeda and a unifying figure within the organization, this may very well cause a fracture in the organization, as no other leader has quite the same following that Bi Laden did. We very well might see a lot of in-fighting within Al Qaeda as a result.

Divide and Conquer!

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Yeah... If you manage to kill all the other terrorists. The World can then sit and relax.

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Certainly. I'm aware India has had it's share of terrorist attacks as well. It's good to know we have friends who share our concerns.

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Yeah... A lot of similar problems. Everyone wants it to End!

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Yeah we killed a guy who did nothing wrong! -_-

I don't believe Osama had anything to do with 9/11. I think he was just taking credit for it so more people would follow him. But it was really done by our own government so we would have a reason to go to war and steal oil.

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Troy8(2433) Disputed
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Yeah we killed a guy who did nothing wrong! -_-

Is this a joke? Osama Bin Laden did nothing wrong? Can you provide evidence for this?

I don't believe Osama had anything to do with 9/11. I think he was just taking credit for it so more people would follow him. But it was really done by our own government so we would have a reason to go to war and steal oil.

Oh boy. Another crazed cult follower.

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I meant he did nothing wrong in the sense of killing thousands of Americans.

How did you know I use to be a Satanist?

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HE CAUSED THE MOST DEATHS IN THE WORLD OF TERROISTS HE DESERVES IT

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It is now 2015 and Osama Bin Laden is dead and the Obama Administration orchestrated it.

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