LOL, if it were true which it is not,

Why do you believe it's not true? I could link you to several studies showing that this abnormality occurs outside of humans.

IT WOULD ALSO BE UNNATURAL.

Why, and so what?

What on earth do you think most pro abortion people would say? Do you honestly think they would admit they support killing innocent little babies? They are liars! They are totally selfish people who would kill for sake of self. Therefore they had to deny simple reality and call that Baby less than human. Please don't spew any life of mother excuses that no one is denying them.

Guess what genius: Not agreeing with every single paranoid rambling that you vomit on the keyboard does not mean I automatically side with the other side.

I don't see what the hell it is you're trying to accomplish by basically shouting like a fucking psycho, but it's not doing anything but pissing everyone (even people that agree with you) off.

You're not doing anything but wasting bandwidth with these insane rants and one-sided conversations.

So animals being homosexual in nature is unnatural? How can something in nature be unnatural, exactly?

And people have already provided a LOT of evidence that it is true, so how can you claim it isn't?

And nobody is "pro-abortion", so the liar in this case is you (expecting a ban for calling you out on that :P). They do not believe, for the most part at least, that it is "killing".

If you have the time to educate yourself (and since these are your firm beliefs, they really should be educated) you should know that homosexual behavior has been observed in animals for years. Here is a recent article about it by the bbc: http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150206-are-there-any-homosexual-animals

You can also refer to this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listofanimalsdisplayinghomosexual_behavior

If you don't trust wikipedia, check the sources they site.

You also call homosexuality a mental disorder. Well, it actually isn't. While it used to be considered one, homosexuality is currently classified as a natural variation of human sexuality. This was classified by people who have studied it, and done their research, which you clearly have not. What is your reasoning for why homosexuality is unnatural? Because the Bible said so? Or because your parents said so? Or because it's different from what you are?

And (another) counter to abortion argument: What do you say to the woman who got raped and who will die if she gives birth. Do you give her an abortion or not?

No problem! Note I wasn't trying to insult or belittle you, but you have to admit, most people would find your views strange, and not share them :P

"Is that all Liberals have? To constantly bring up ancient history when Democrats supported Slavery and the Republican party and Christians wanted to end slavery? Is that your only argument against every subject?"

If you ignore history, you are doomed to repeat it.

"Of course there have been terrible things throughout history where people did terrible things. It was usually true Christians who tried to stop the inhumanity and is why it is no surprise that Christians and Conservatives are now trying to protect the right of life of unborn babies. Abortion is TODAY'S INHUMANITY as was slavery back then."

Christians made up the entirety of both sides of slavery, in support and opposition.

"With the Liberal movement, came Abortion on demand at any stage. THAT IS NOT GOOD CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's going backwards to a time when slavery of a particular group of people was allowed. In this case it's not slavery, it's a holocaust. Democrats told us all they would never force others to pay for abortions. LIE! This is the change that we fight against. The arrogance to not only make it legal to kill Babies but THEY FORCE US ALL TO PAY FOR IT!"

Can you explain how, with the Hyde Amendment, you are still forced to pay for abortions?

"With the Liberal movement came censorship of our Christian heritage and religious freedoms when a Government censors the right of a community to choose a prayer in their schools even though no child is ever being forced to pray along."

You want to force a captive audience to be a part of a religious ceremony. That is not freedom, that is authoritarian. That is the antithesis of freedom, and it has nothing to do with censorship. It is downright evil.

" Liberals twisted the Constitution with the lie of separation of church and state. The constitution says Government will establish no religion"

Liberal and Conservative courts have determined that you are wrong, many, many times.

". A community's free choice to have a prayer or not establishes NOTHING! Liberals also fought to censor our religious holidays in public schools. They are making it against the law to mention our Christian heritage in public. THAT IS HIDEOUS CHANGE."

Communities are not prevented from praying, they are simply preventing from forcing people to pay for religious symbols, or forcing captive audiences to be subject to religious ceremonies. That is positive change. That is ACTUAL freedom.

". It takes our freedoms from us guaranteed in the Constitution. The Constitution says nothing about freedom from religion. "

Conservative and Liberal courts have determined that is exactly what the Establishment Clause says.

"In the Liberal world they say we should all give up our freedoms of speech so as not to offend the one, unless of course the offended ones are Christians, then it is ok.'

There is no evidence to support that claim.

"With the Liberal movement Government is now trying to take our guns! And after decades of conditioning who knows if these fools will succeed."

Luckily, they won't. They have no ability to remove the 2nd amendment, and so long as it exists, their attempts will fail.

"Why is it Liberals NEVER worry bout the marriage right's for men who want 20 wives? "

Many do, but that is not an equal protections or due process issue, so it gets different attention.

" Homosexuality is a sin in the Christian faith and therefore, Liberals had to push the Gay agenda because Liberals are truly at war with our religious heritage and freedoms. "

Nice try, but most Liberals are Christians that simply hold opinions that differ from yours. Nobody is attacking you, and Christians hold the overwhelming majority of all political power in this country. Homosexuals deserve their Constitutional rights, even if you want to deny them their freedom.

" You do realize that Gay activists have sued Christian churches to force them to have Gay Sunday school teachers do you not?"

And they will fail, as they should.

:" That in a nutshell is the answer to your question of why we fight the Homosexual movement"

Pointing to an incredibly small number of extreme examples as an excuse to deny American citizens their constitutional rights makes no sense.

" Their goal is to force us all to accept their lifestyle as normal and force our faith to change and accept it. We already have false Churches who have Gay pastors which preaches a religion contrary to our biblical faith."

No, their goal is to gain their Constitutional and civil rights and freedoms.

"Our nation fought and died for the freedoms we enjoy and now Liberals are trying to transform America and take us back to a time of a corrupt Government controlling our lives as they see fit."

You just listed an issue in which Liberals are fighting for freedoms and liberties that you are trying to deny through corrupt Big government attempting to control their lives as you see fit.

"I mentioned no fault ideology because this is where Liberals are taking us. A few examples.... it's not your fault if you sleep around creating baby after baby and expecting others to pay to support you and support your irresponsibility. There is no Liberal agenda to go after the dead beat fathers who walk away from their responsibilities. Liberals want the Government raising the family and thereby securing their votes"

That example doesn't play out. Trying to help support those children to decrease the odds of them falling into abject poverty does not mean that no fault is placed upon the parents.

"It's not your fault if you take illegal drugs and live off the tax payers after screwing up your life."

Nobody says that the drug user is not at fault, people just recognize that countries around the world that spend money on rehabilitation see positive results. To deny that is to deny reality.

"It's not your fault if you buy a house you can not afford, the tax payers will bail you out."

Of course they are at fault, but so are those that lied and misled them into thinking they could afford it. Fault lies with both parties.

"It's not your fault if you take out school loans and not pay them back, tax payers will bail you out."

Can you point to anyone actually saying that? I see plenty of people saying that we shouldn't make money off of student loans, because we shouldn't.

"I could go on and on but the simple truth is that Democrats and Liberals pander to their voting blocks of low income people who chose to screw up their lives"

Nope.

" They put no consequences on behavior when handing out our money. HENCE no fault."

Nope

"emocrats take from the the responsible middle class who ask for nothing from tax payers and give to those who will vote for them. It is buying votes!"

Then why does any middle class voter vote Democrat? Or any rich voter? Because there are plenty of both.

Go ahead, ban me for disagreeing with you :P

Ok. So you have not been responding to many of my points, which makes me think you don't have arguments there. So, I will thoughtfully respond to every single word you wrote. I hope you follow suit.

Note: I lost some energy at the end because I was getting tired, but I stand by the points here.

Is that all Liberals have? To constantly bring up ancient history when Democrats supported Slavery and the Republican party and Christians wanted to end slavery? Is that your only argument against every subject?

I'll stop bringing it up when you give me a reason that it's not valid, which you have yet to do. Saying "You keep bringing this up" and never responding to it does not invalidate the point.

Of course there have been terrible things throughout history where people did terrible things.

Right… so the Constitution is included in that? Because the Constitution protected these terrible things. But wait, we have to maintain the values of the Constitution when it was created. So we should take part in these terrible things. You are being incredibly hypocritical here. How is this not what you're saying?

It was usually true Christians who tried to stop the inhumanity

What defines a "true Christian?" Just, someone who is nice? Or someone who believes in Christ? Or is it someone who follows all the teachings of the Bible. The bible asks for killing, bloodiness, and has several discrepancies, so it can't be that. And why does it have to be through Christ? Why can't it just be people who examine things objectively and try to form their own opinions of what is right and wrong? Why do we need some magical book to teach us? Are humans that worthless?

Citing the Bible is dangerous, because it removes analysis. Who do you trust more, the person who blindly believes whatever some book tells them, or the person who thinks about topics and formulates their own opinion. Just doing what you're told means you can't ever know for sure if what you're doing is logical, on a personal level. Think about it. Do you, personally, really think homosexuality is wrong, or is it just because people have told you it is. If it's the former, why do you think this? I'm genuinely curious. And if it's the latter, why do you trust them? And please give me an answer that's not "well they said it was God and God said so."

...and is why it is no surprise that Christians and Conservatives are now trying to protect the right of life of unborn babies. Abortion is TODAY'S INHUMANITY as was slavery back then.

A couple things here…

First of all, do you think abortion is the ONLY issue of today's inhumanity? So… there are no other issues worth discussing. Everything else is perfect. In fact, we should stop working on medicine. And stop protecting rape victims and helping the families that suffer crimes. Actually, if we stopped abortions, the country would be perfect, right? There are no other issues.

Secondly, abortion is not inhumane. I will try to explain my reasoning here (and yes, I'm using some outside sources to put this list together, but that doesn't invalidate the points.):

a) A fetus is not equal to a child because it cannot survive on it's own. It's dependent upon it's mother for life, and as such is not it's own, independent creature.

b)Even if a fetus was alive, the “right to life” doesn’t imply a right to use somebody else’s body. If a mother is in danger due to pregnancy, it is the fetus that is endangering her life. If you have to choose between a person who is already living and has made an impact on the world and someone who has not, who do you pick?

c) A “right to life” is a right to not have somebody else’s will imposed upon your body. Do women not have this right as well? How does your argument not apply to the mother?

d) The root cause of abortions is unintended pregnancy, whether through rape or other reasons. Is that the woman's fault? If this creates a danger on the woman's physical, financial, or emotional well being, why does the fetus come first?

e) There will always be situations where it is necessary for a woman to have an abortion, whether you like it or not. By banning abortions, you force these women to go to unsafe and illegal methods, endangering themselves and their child to even further lengths than before. When treated properly, abortions are actually one of the safest operations in the world. The death rate of a safe abortion is 13X less than the death rate of giving birth.

I agree with you that people should always be trying to improve our world and that good change is wonderful.

So why do you claim that nothing should change in the Constitution?! You say that where we are now is perfect, and that wanting to change things makes us unreasonable or weak, but how stupid is that idea! If we accept that we have been wrong in the past, shouldn't that inspire us to continue examining and changing things that are broken?

Women still make less money than men for the same amount of work. Is that not an issue to address? Blacks with the same credentials as whites get hired less often. But I guess we fixed that already. People are being denied work and financial stability due to their sexual orientation, which they are born with. But there is nothing to fix there, because some book that you read says that those people should be killed.

With the Liberal movement, came Abortion on demand at any stage. THAT IS NOT GOOD CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First of all, you are making broad generalizations here that I would like to clear up. Not every person with liberal views "demands" abortion. Also, most will not fully support abortion at a late stage. However, what they DO support is that the option should be available, as the fetus's survival is solely dependent on the mother, and as such, the mother's choice comes first.

Also, you mention good change, or rather, GOOD CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who gets to decide what that is? Clearly, not everyone thinks it's good, because someone decided that how it is now is good. Change comes about because opinions have, surprise surprise, changed. To say it is "good change" doesn't argue anything other than "it's that way because I think it is and I said so."

It's going backwards to a time when slavery of a particular group of people was allowed.

How is abortion equivalent to slavery? Also, abortions were never something that was legal and then made illegal, so your metaphor doesn't make any sense. Abortions were illegal for a very long time, and only began to become legalized in the 60s and 70s.

In this case it's not slavery, it's a holocaust.

The definition of holocaust is: destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war.

That in and of itself does not imply a negative connotation. The word itself does due to world war 2, but destruction itself is not inherently bad. For example, destruction of Cancer, or AIDS, or toxins could technically also be called a "holocaust" but as destruction of these things is beneficial to those suffering harm from it, it's not a bad thing.

Democrats told us all they would never force others to pay for abortions. LIE! This is the change that we fight against.

When did they ever say that. Also, a few people do not necessarily represent the opinions of the group. ALSO, opinions of a group or political party do not always remain the same over time because of the reasons i've already said… people have brains, and they use them to think.

Back in the mid 1800s, the Republican party was very liberal. That is obviously not the case today. So I guess that THAT change is the change that we should fight against? Ok! So go and rally the Republican party to be more liberal, just as it was before everything was ruined by change.

The arrogance to not only make it legal to kill Babies but THEY FORCE US ALL TO PAY FOR IT!

I already made my pro-choice arguments mostly, but if you want even more, here is a logical analysis (I'm sure you won't read it, but just in case…) http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/articles/fetusperson.shtml

And then the problem of paying for things. By that rationale, America also shouldn’t have a military, since that’s funded by taxes, and some taxpayers find American foreign policy morally disagreeable. And it shouldn't send money to schools, because there are some Americans who think everyone should be home schooled. And so on and so on. Where taxpayer money goes is not a reflection of what each individual wants.

With the Liberal movement came censorship of our Christian heritage and religious freedoms when a Government censors the right of a community to choose a prayer in their schools even though no child is ever being forced to pray along.

There is nothing wrong with Christian heritage. However, the fact that it is prevalent in our society does NOT mean it can be enforced into every institution. Going back to the argument you just made about forcing people to pay for abortions, I know that I personally would not want my money going to a school that promoted Christianity primarily. Exact same argument.

And I know you say that it's optional, but here's why that doesn't work. First of all, by having a single religion present, even if a majority of people follow that religion, it puts pressure and discomfort upon and alienates those who do not participate. Even if a community decides that a prayer should be present in a school, that is unfair to the one atheist who is present. If you want to dictate a person's lifestyle in a school, do it in a private school. You don't have the right to impose religion like this.

The Constitution gives a freedom of religion, not a freedom to impose your religion and only your religion on others. Would you be comfortable if your child went to a school where the prayer every day was an atheist text? Or a Muslim prayer? Seriously, would you be ok with that?

Liberals twisted the Constitution with the lie of separation of church and state.

Do you not see the flaw in letting the Church control the law?

If you base your laws off of texts from the past, no matter how right you think they are, you REMOVE ANY HOPE OF IMPROVEMENT. The Bible asks for slavary, murder, and general inequality, and is full of hundreds of clauses that are outdated. If we don't keep a separation here, we will end up with uneducated laws that are created without true thoughtfulness.

What is good about the lack of a separation in church and state?

The constitution says Government will establish no religion. A community's free choice to have a prayer or not establishes NOTHING!

The problem is a community is not necessarily unanimous. If even ONE person is even questioning that religion, they immediately lose their own right to religion as they are essentially peer pressured into it. It also removes children's ability to figure out religion for themselves. If the community says they MUST be Christian and at school EVERYONE around them is saying a prayer, how can they think for themselves?

Just because you believe something doesn't give you the right to present it as fact, and pretending that a child would have a "choice" to not be Christian in that situation is extremely ignorant.

A freedom of religion means that information should be presented without bias, so that people are truly free to find religion for themselves.

(Of course parents can teach their children religion, I'm not saying that's wrong. But to have a societal message that only one religion is correct is stifling to free speech.)

Liberals also fought to censor our religious holidays in public schools. They are making it against the law to mention our Christian heritage in public.

Please. There is a difference in denying your heritage and denying your right to get off school for holidays. By this argument, everyone of every religion should get off for every holiday they have with no penalty, right? Does that sound like it would work?

By this argument, you are also saying that everyone who is NOT getting their holiday's off is being censored, as it is "against the law to mention their heritage in public." Is that really what's happening? If so, we need to make some major changes, and fast! Thanks for pointing out this issue. Which do you suggest. Making it equal, by not allowing any days off for holidays, or letting every day off for every holiday?

Or do only the Christians get to have heritage because they are a superior race?

THAT IS HIDEOUS CHANGE.

See previous argument about types of change.

It takes our freedoms from us guaranteed in the Constitution. The Constitution says nothing about freedom from religion.

Wait, so what freedoms do you think you deserve in the Constitution. The freedom to impose your views on others without any choice on their side? To deny people the right to stay away from Christianity, if that's what they want? To control the days the country operates in schools and businesses based solely on your own personal religion? To deny women a right to their personal health based on what you believe? To deny gays a right to marriage because of what YOU believe?

Do you really think that by imposing your religion on others it's not taking away from the religious freedom of others?

In the Liberal world they say we should all give up our freedoms of speech so as not to offend the one, unless of course the offended ones are Christians, then it is ok.

I don't know where you get this idea, but you are clearly either very poorly informed, or don't' care enough to actually study the arguments against you.

The arguments here are not about being offensive, they are about protecting the rights of those who disagree with you. And the same argument can be said about you! Do you care about offending non-Christians? Or is your worry protecting those who agree with you?

With the Liberal movement Government is now trying to take our guns! And after decades of conditioning who knows if these fools will succeed.

The reason for removal of guns has to do with safety. There are an obscene quantity of cases of gun violence in America, especially compared to foreign nations with gun control. How will denying you the right to a deadly weapon deny you of your rights? You don't have access to tanks, or nuclear bombs, or deadly chemicals, or so many other deadly things, why should a gun be any different.

You talk about "decades of conditioning." How is that different than the millennia of conditioning brought on by Christianity? You have had much more "conditioning" than the past few years. You think that any change is bad due to the same "conditioning" you just accused of Liberals.

Why is it Liberals NEVER worry bout the marriage right's for men who want 20 wives? Why do Gays only get your attention?

There are several reasons for this. Primarily, it's about the impact on others. If two gay men get married, it affects only them. Society does not crumble, and two perfectly functioning members of society get the same rights as the rest of society.

There are a couple reasons why polygamy does not fall into the same category. First of all, it is human nature. The reason why two people fall in love is not random. It avoids jealously, and promotes faithfulness, all qualities that (by today's values) are 'good.' I dare you to find multiple situations where polygamy has worked out for the best for all members involved. In regards to gay marriage, however, there is an endless stream of examples.

There are all kinds of weird groups out there with no one fighting for their rights.

Why does this deny those people their rights? If you truly think there are people out there who are wronged, then you SHOULD fight for their rights because that's what people do. This in no way invalidates any point that has ever been made for gay marriage. Are you saying that if there are lots of things that people can see as wrong, they are all ok?

I could answer that question because i know the answer. Homosexuality is a sin in the Christian faith and therefore, Liberals had to push the Gay agenda because Liberals are truly at war with our religious heritage and freedoms.

There definitely is a reason there is so much conflict between the groups, but that does not mean that Liberals are "at war" with Christianity. There are plenty of Liberal Christians. I think the struggle comes more from the right, when liberal ideas, which have been created with analysis of the changing times, conflict with right-wing ideas, which were set in stone thousands of years ago.

Think about it like this: What if something that the conservatives believed was wrong. If a person analyses it and comes to that conclusion, are they 'warring' with the conservatives? I don't think so. The views of Liberals have come from analysis of what we see as the flaws of today's society, and the struggle comes from the conservative refusal to change.

You do realize that Gay activists have sued Christian churches to force them to have Gay Sunday school teachers do you not? That in a nutshell is the answer to your question of why we fight the Homosexual movement.

I think you've mentioned this before and it is my guess that you are presenting this in a slightly biased way. Can you provide me with a link to the story? I'd like to learn more before I respond.

Their goal is to force us all to accept their lifestyle as normal and force our faith to change and accept it.

That is not what non-Christian liberals are pushing for. You are asking for Christianity to be the dominant religion, and be allowed to be present in all aspects of every day life. That is what is being fought, as that restricts the freedom of religion by imposing only one religion onto the public.

A freedom of religion implies that ALL religions should be free to behave as they want, and they shouldn't have to fight Christianity for a place in society. The fight against Christianity is to provide equality for all religions, not to smother it.

Also, can you really make the argument that Christianity can ever be anything other than the most prominent religion, just due to numbers? By reducing the impact you have on daily lives, you are not hurting those who are already Christian and the Christian faith will not be weakened, but the 1st amendment right for all religions will be preserved.

We already have false Churches who have Gay pastors which preaches a religion contrary to our biblical faith.

So anyone who goes against anything in the Bible is a "false" Christian or a "false" Church?

So any church with a pastor who has ever cheated on their spouse is a "false Church." So is any church with a pastor who had sex before marriage. Or ever mastrubated. Or ever wore clothes with more than one fabric. Or ever did any of the completely ridiculous commands in the Bible. I guess there aren't any "true" churches. I guess Christianity is dead.

Our nation fought and died for the freedoms we enjoy and now Liberals are trying to transform America and take us back to a time of a corrupt Government controlling our lives as they see fit.

How is what you are asking for any different than controlling our lives as you see fit!

You want schools and businesses to have Christian holiday's off. You want schools to provide time for prayer. You want to DENY people rights because it disagrees with YOUR RELIGION.

Liberals are asking for the opposite. The request is to remove religious bias, not providing special opportunities for those who are Christian. And giving everyone equal rights instead of trying to withhold opportunities for those who disagree with your faith.

I mentioned no fault ideology because this is where Liberals are taking us. A few examples.... it's not your fault if you sleep around creating baby after baby and expecting others to pay to support you and support your irresponsibility.

First of all, this is very pressing for me, how is a "no fault" ideology any different than religion. It's not your fault if you sin because Satan made you do it. It's not your fault if you sin because you can just ask Jesus to forgive you and it won't matter. None of your actions have any real impact.

And how is this particular claim (removing blame from someone with many children) supported by liberal ideology?

And how do you account for victim-blaming, saying that it IS the fault of the rape victim. Do you believe that to be true? Because if so, that is disgusting of you.

It's not your fault if you take illegal drugs and live off the tax payers after screwing up your life.

So wait, who is it who is trying to live off of the poor? That sounds a lot more like your party to me.

Also, no liberal is suggesting that those who break the law are not at fault.

It's not your fault if you buy a house you can not afford, the tax payers will bail you out.

No one suggests this either. What may be argued is that a government should protect it's citizens. If there is surplus money, why not give it to those in need. Isn't that one of the values of Christianity?

It's not your fault if you take out school loans and not pay them back, tax payers will bail you out.

Same argument.

I could go on and on but the simple truth is that Democrats and Liberals pander to their voting blocks of low income people who chose to screw up their lives.

Here's the thing… those statistics about the 1% and 99% aren't wrong. Who should the country focus on. 1% of it's people who fall into one category, or 99% of it's people who fall into another?

They put no consequences on behavior when handing out our money. HENCE no fault.

It's not about putting no consequences on the behavior. It's about helping citizens deal with these consequences instead of focusing on those who don't need the help. Why help the rich get richer when there are millions more dying and starving?

Democrats take from the the responsible middle class who ask for nothing from tax payers and give to those who will vote for them. It is buying votes!

People vote for the people who are going to be best for them. By pandering to a majority of America, Democrats aren't "buying votes" they are representing the needs of the majority.

Why not debate what people actually say, FromWithin? Or what people actually think?

I am not a liberal and my views on abortion are in no way relevant to the original points of discussion, which you have categorically ceded.

Conservatives and Christians believe in moral values and that society should lift up those values as being good for our nation, but we also know you can not make moral laws to force people to be moral.

Actions speak louder than words.

Why do you waste my time with such loony arguments? The reason anti Gay marriage laws are being overturned is because they were just FORCED on the states by Liberal control fanatics. Get real.

You can't blame liberals for everything. Liberals did not pass anti gay bills to be overturned.

If you believe Democrats are pushing all these laws just because they think it is better for the country then you live on Mars. It is all about politics and getting elected with big money from groups who want those laws pushed down our throats.

It is the justification used regardless. That's the point.

Tell me how these Liberal laws are doing for the nation? Hows that Obamacare doing for the middle class who pays for it? How's that 18 trillion debt doing? All Democrats do is take from those who would not vote for them and give to those who will. It is buying votes and if you can't get that.... WOW!

What you fail to understand is that it doesn't have to be a failure because it is hypocritical. Things can just be bad policies.

No, my answer is can you read?........................................................................