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Mohammed is the God of the Religion of Islam what you got to say now ?
First of all, Outlaw60 says that the Manchester attacks were commanded by God
is the debate title.
Irrespective of which god or religion, the so called "god" let this happen. If you, say mohammed in particular, is the reason of this, (let's even assume this to be true even though it is horrendously false), if so, what are the "gods" of other religions doing here? or are you trying to prove that they too have the same motive? or is it just that they don't exist?
Irrespective to what you might believe Mohammed is the God of Islam ! Deny it give it a try!
Never denied that. My point is completely different, anyone can call anyone his/her god, I have no issues with that. I'd request you to read my argument once again.
I'd love to probe the brain of an atheist. If God doesn't stay out of their lives he's a bully. If he doesn't protect them, he should have protected them. If he destroys the Canaanintes, he's evil. If he doesn't exact justice on the Canaanites... he's unjust for letting it happen. Probably explains why he laughs and shakes his head at atheists. They are emotionally unhinged people with no direction or consistant range of thought.
I'd love to probe the brain of an atheist. If God doesn't stay out of their lives he's a bully. If he doesn't protect them, he should have protected them. If he destroys the Canaanintes, he's evil. If he doesn't exact justice on the Canaanites... he's unjust for letting it happen. Probably explains why he laughs and shakes his head at atheists. They are emotionally unhinged people with no direction or consistant range of though
well done, you've pointed out many flaws in the idea of "god"..
I'd love to probe the brain of an atheist. If God doesn't stay out of their lives he's a bully
when you talk about an atheist, a god simply doesn't exist for him/her. The same goes for all the arguments that followed this particular statement made by you.
What I did there was to "assume", to look at from a side that is yours, because I found a flaw there.
Not really. If you view something to be a flaw, even an atheist somewhere will disagree with you. I once debated a Conservative atheist. His proposal to end the world of radical Islam? Kill all the Muslims and round them into camps. Why? He said that's how you kill cancer. You go after all of them. So is he wrong, evil or pragmatic? And based on that assessment was his logic "wrong", and if not, then according to him, an atheist, YOU are wrong.
Not really. If you view something to be a flaw, even an atheist somewhere will disagree with you
to me, it's a flaw, i don't care who thinks it isn't.. that's clearly a flaw, so you pray to god that "things" happen, if it is the case that it happened so.. you say god did it... if not, you say there must be some reason , that's the flaw! so I see from your perspective and I can as well as argue that things that you prayed for didn't happen, which is clearly a proof of the flaw, of course you can come up with silly reasons, right now, the question is, if their "god" commanded it, why did yours let it happen in the first place? the question allows me to take into account the following conclusions..
1) "your god" has either got the same motive as "another's"
2) "your god" doesn't really care about his people..
3) , then according to him, an atheist, YOU are wrong
I can find people who believe in "god" and at the same time are completely against your views, similar to what you did, the only problem is it doesn't prove anything.
so I see from your perspective and I can as well as argue that things that you prayed for didn't happen, which is clearly a proof of the flaw
This is the equivalent of saying a parent who doesn't give a child all of the things that they ask for is a bad parent. Probably wouldn't fly in the court of intellectualism.
if their "god" commanded it, why did yours let it happen in the first place
If you could see the future, people would think you were insane. You would make requests and moves in life that make no sense to them. And if you kept being correct, if they were smart, they'd listen to your next warnings and accept your next moves. The number of variables an Omniscienct God would have to weed through to get all things in order to a desired final product are incalculable.
"your god" has either got the same motive as "another's
It would be impossible to discern the motives and acts of someone who knows the outcome of all future events without having that same ability yourself.
This makes me think you believe a good parent would do everything their child requested and literally live their child's life for them with no freedom or choice making available.
, then according to him, an atheist, YOU are wrong
I can find people who believe in "god" and at the same time are completely against your views, similar to what you did, the only problem is it doesn't prove anything
Exactly. This is why claiming god is "immoral", "unjust", "evil", "flawed" etc is a bad argument. Billions of people could never agree on what is moral, right, wrong, good, evil, flawed, etc, so we have no logical reason to take your definition of "good" or "flawed" as acceptable definitions used to discredit someone.
And if God were somehow "flawed" by some magic objective definition, that still wouldn't magically cause Him to not exist.
Exactly. This is why claiming god is "immoral", "unjust", "evil", "flawed" etc is a bad argument. Billions of people could never agree on what is moral, right, wrong, good, evil, flawed, etc, so we have no logical reason to take your definition of "good" or "flawed" as acceptable definitions used to discredit someone.
And if God were somehow "flawed" by some magic objective definition, that still wouldn't magically cause Him to not exist.
Firstly, I have never used/ quoted somebody's statement to prove anything. I always rely upon being rational. All that I've pointed out is shouting out that man has created this thing called "god" it is purely imagination. However, If "god" does show up right next to me, claiming that he is "god", and provided that it isn't a prank or anything like that by just some other random person, i am ready to believe. Please remember that in an earlier debate I have mentioned about how I respect the possibility of "god", but until then, I'd rather call "god" people's imagination.
However, If "god" does show up right next to me, claiming that he is "god", and provided that it isn't a prank or anything like that by just some other random person, i am ready to believe.
You openly admit that it's very possible and even provable, and that you would believe if "you saw a sign". But there will be no sign. You will have failed the test of having faith. When you have faith in and love that which you cannot see, you have nothing left to prove... When you don't, you didn't actually know deep love at all in the first place.
You openly admit that it's very possible and even provable, and that you would believe if "you saw a sign". But there will be no sign. You will have failed the test of having faith. When you have faith in and love that which you cannot see, you have nothing left to prove... When you don't, you didn't actually know deep love at all in the first place.
I am not talking about a "sign". I would take nothing less than the "god" as you call him, right in front of me. I am human, I do have emotions. Even if I have failed the so called "faith" test, "god" should appear in front of me just to prove me wrong and prove you right, if that's not the case, I can safely without any hesitation make an argument that god does not exist. And btw, being emotional isn't being rational.
If the Bible is correct, this already happened, and the human response was to try and kill him for his views even after seeing miracle after miracle.
I've told you already, I will not anything less than the god himself. And from your pov, isn't he "god" ? why does he worry about dying if that's the case?
You don't know what he "should do" because you have no idea what he's trying to accomplish. I think you should be a conservative. If you aren't, that doesn't mean that you don't exist.
What I tried saying there is the only way I could possibly believe in god is if he shows up.I clearly have mentioned several times about how I respect the possibility of god, which doesn't make me a conservative, all I am doing now it putting forward my arguments to "why" I think god doesn't exist..
People didn't see atoms or cells throughout most of history. They were still there. Wishing them away wouldn't have worked. Saying they were not there would not have been correct.
sure, but cells were seen later on and until then, people argued about the idea, it is not necessary that god would turn out to be the case like cells or atoms.. cells and atoms, we deduced and they came out to be true, not everything you think will come out to be the way you want, so to make an analogy of god and cells, I feel it's very wrong.
It's a good analogy. Science may find God if allowed to so. Some think it has already. That's the point. Science discovers things all the time. That doesn't mean they didn't exist before they were discovered or proven to be true.
It's a good analogy. Science may find God if allowed to so. Some think it has already. That's the point. Science discovers things all the time. That doesn't mean they didn't exist before they were discovered or proven to be true.
before things were found out, it was just as correct to say that an idea is false, as to say it is correct. so before things are found out, we can speculate, not conclude.
wow. I have already mentioned about how I respect the possibility of god. I oppose your view, by making counter arguments and we debating here doesn't make any idea to come true, I put my deductions forward and argue, trying to make predictions to what is true.. so I wasn't concluding anywhere..
certainly, not surprised. you can go on typing anything you want, but I haven't heard the statement from you believing that there's a possibility of god not existing, which clearly to me, looks like a conclusion that you've made about god and his existence.
Anything is possible. But my view adds meaning, purpose, and joy. Athesim leaves you in the dirt dead. I see no logical reason to be a pesimist and kill myself mentally and psychologically before my due time.
Pesimism causes anxiety, depression, and heart attacks. Atheism is a pesimistic worldview. No objective meaning, no objective purpose, just random chaos and pitiless indifference headed towards the inevitable heat death of the sun and Earth.
I have no reason to whine. I'm well off and do what I want all day, every day.
Looks like I was aware of your youth. You didn't deny it. Why do you think that is, seeing I can't see you or hear your voice? There are some things that only older people understand, like it or not. You'll be the one saying it one day.
there is meaning, there is purpose, only if you choose to look into.
Not really. In atheism, chaos caused Earth and us. It doesn'tcare, and it will destroy the planet and any memory that we ever existed at all. That is pointless.
Outhouse60 will say anything that comes into his perverted Christian mind. Don't believe anything he thinks, sounds like he ate an extra bowl of stupid this morning!
A Muslim didn't kill innocent people in Manchester ? By the way Sharia Law is not from any religion it is only from the Religion of Islam. You need facts on the killer of innocent people in Manchester maybe you need to Google it !
I never said anything regarding the alleged guilt of Muslims, I asked for proof that a Muslim did this, and not a government. 9/11 was a government coverup, maybe this is too.
