I'm not sure that Palin would or could force women to go full term.

Again, I agree 100% and couldn't have set it forth better myself. You've said what needed saying...even if everyone needs to be reminded of it from time to time.

Thanks, that's kinda what I was going to say when I saw the debate, probably not as well.

And would ad that making abortions illegal does not and I'll repeat it does not, never has, and never will cut down on the number of abortions. All it does is force women into basements to get them performed by people who may or may not be doctors, and it increases the mortality rate for women a hundred times.

So you have to ask yourself what really is the goal of the pro-life group? If no one is really saved, and infact more life is lost by making it illegal.

Yeah, I agree. I'm "pro-life" but you're entitled to your decision. It's between you and your maker after that. The reason I'm pro-life is because I have 2 kids and I could have had 3. I made a choice and although it may have been the right choice at the time, I would like a do over.

What I'm saying is that when I say I'm pro-life, I mean that I would try not to choice and abortion. I do not mean that I would force my views on others.

Wow... that was very well said! I am coming into this debate late, and missed all of the fireworks, but your point says it all!

So if parents decide that they don't want children they should have a right to end their lives? What about parents whose children are already born? Sounds like the ends justify the means here. That the extinguishing of a life might lead to fewer "unwanted children" hardly justifies the intrinsic evil and relative gravity of this action.

I really do hate the term "feminazis." Supporting women's rights should not be analogous to killing off thousands of people!

I like to think that those "souls" get another chance at life. Or at the very minimum, get to enjoy life after death.

This gives new meaning to the "Phantom." Now do you all see what I mean about down voting? No rhyme or reason and done incorrectly to boot!

yeah, other side's getting it too...

i know because i favored a comment over there (along with someone else) and we all got down voted.

Speaking of prisons... What do you think happen to those women who are found guilty of commissioning an illegal abortion? If you define abortion as murder then logically these women would be sentenced with murder, embryonocide as it were.

NOTE Sorry, I noticed that I setup a straw man. Just correct me if that isn't your position.ENDNOTE

So, since you are pro-life, how many children have you adopted?

I agree that it's stupid and irresponsible to get pregnant, considering safe sex is possible. However no matter how dumb the girls maybe i refuse to have a say in what she does with her body. I simply cannot command someone to have a baby, or to get an abortion. It's her and her parents choice not mine. It's really none of my business to be able to vote pro choice or pro life and possibly end up forcing a young woman to have a baby.

OK let me get this straight, you're in favor of laws that recognize that a fetus is in fact a future baby; is in fact human life. But you're against outlawing abortion outright? Look there's no gray area in this issue. Either we allow abortions or we don't. Just because a fetus at 8-months looks more like an already born baby doesn't mean that it's any different from the embryo that was formed in the mother's womb 8 months earlier. I don't see how there is any difference between a late-term abortion and an abortion the morning after. In both cases a human life is being extinguished before it ever had a chance to be born.

Where do you draw the line (8 months)? Why 8 months? If we are a "continuim" than why can't it be 9 months gestation or even 1 day old?

With your strain of logic the whole issue of pro choice becomes even more subjective than before. You are saying that you are autonomous & you can decide when life really begins for you and I can decide for me. There are even schools of thought out there (google it) that believe that a woman should have 30 days after she gives birth to decide whether or not she wants to abort.

And, furthermore why would you concede that abortion in the last trimester is considered murder? By what standard can you make such a claim? Why is murder wrong? You could appeal to the fact it is written in our laws that murder is a crime, but where did that come from? I would encourage you & anyone (pro-life or pro choice) to really study the beliefs & standards your very founding fathers stood upon. The very reason that we can have this debate rests on a freedom that was handed down to us. The very least we owe those that have gone before us is to study & listen to their reasons for establishing this nation. I guarantee you that they believed we all have a soul.

One last comment & I'll be through.....if we don't have a soul then we do not have a real hope. This topic is a completely different debate, but I believe that as our culture embraces your line of thinking more & more (that we do not have a soul) we will become more & more obsessed with youth & become so self obsorbed to the point that we will no longer procreate b/c of our own hopelessness. Just a thought....

as the Feminazi boomers say "It's like taking away our right to vote".

Do you mean to say that you cannot justify an abortion if a woman was raped or molested? If so, do you also rule out abortion for a 12 year old child or a mother who might die giving birth? The only point I can possibly agree on is that it's NOT an inherent woman's right but a question that has been passed into law making it a right. But it is, no matter what, a woman's choice...and I mean a WOMAN, not a child.

I'm curious why you believe that life begins at the moment of conception. At that point all you have is a single cell, similar to the ones that are everywhere on your body, thousands of which die every day. I guess my problem is that you think that a sperm and egg separately are nothing, but when they are combined, life magically starts. At that point, the cell can't see, can't hear, can't even think. There is no consciousness, no feeling. The only thing it can do is multiply and eventually the cells that multiply specialize.

To say life starts at conception is a fairly simplistic view. There is no specific moment where something not alive becomes alive. In fact as far as we know, this only happened once: during abiogenesis.

So, since you are pro-life, how many children have you adopted?

If life began at conception, every woman who miscarried before implantation would be a murderer. Nearly every woman has conceived without becoming pregnant at some time or other. Millions of women around the world would be the worst sinners of all.

Sorry, anyone who believes in a loving, forgiving God cannot possibly take that stand.

holy shit... that was AWESOME!

Nice cliche but I cannot agree with that line. The issue of when a fetus actually becomes viable continues to be argued. I see that you are Catholic and probably believe that a baby is viable from inception. This, I strongly disagree with but you are entitled to your opinion and I will not talk you out of your belief.

So, since you are pro-life, how many children have you adopted?