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People who are bullied need more help.

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hammertime (165)

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Yes, for it is the intention of bullies that people feel lonely and when they are served first, they feel less alone and maybe it can still stop the bullying too. That's why I'm for.

12 years ago Side: For

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hammertime (165)

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I also think that the bullies need help too, because usually bully the bullies just because they themselves have a problem at home or out of jealousy, etc.

12 years ago Side: For

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ptosis (243)

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Blaming the victim is easier than admitting that society permits - or turns a blind eye to a widespread behaviour.

For example a rape victim "she was asking for it"

or a abused spouse " why don't they leave the relationship"

or a person on public dole " get a better education and a higher paying job"

or AIDS/Lung Cancer "they deserve the death for the lifestyle

Easy excuses to blanket judge folks, but what about the baby born with AIDS, the non-smoker who live in NYC where just breathing is the same as smoking a pack of cig?

Need more education and support groups about the cycle of violence and proctecting yourself .

12 years ago Side: For

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PhxDemocrat (13121)

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Bullies need to be counseled and told that what they are doing is wrong.

8 years ago Side: For

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Sunset (2024)

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I can be on either side with this because I think more than the victim here the bully needs help too. They are a bully for a reason and someone needs to find that out. But the person being bullied needs help too

12 years ago Side: Against

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catticus90 (360) Disputed

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I don't think the bully needs more help than the victim. I don't think environment and experience is an excuse to be a bad person. In fact it's a pet hate of mine when people try to excuse anti-social behavior with past experiences. The only excuse really is mental health illnesses where a person has little control over their actions and words.

They make an informed choice to bully someone. Let's say I was beaten by my mother does that give me an excuse to beat my children? It certainly doesn't.

12 years ago Side: For

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ptosis (243) Disputed

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Having a mental problem is not a carte blanc to be a complete asshole. Having a MH problem doesn't mean everybody has the rare Turrent's syndrome. EVERYBODY has a MH thing in different ways and intensity.

12 years ago Side: Against

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catticus90 (360) Disputed

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I said a Mental health illness not 'problem' or 'thing'. I didn't specify which illnesses either. Schizophrenia is a much more common mental health illness than Turret's Syndrome that can vouch for being an asshole. I've been sectioned with Schizophrenics who would shout abuse at people then smack themselves in the head and say 'shut up' because they had no control over it. I'm not saying mental health illnesses is a free pass to be a dick. I'm just saying under circumstance of certain mental illnesses it's unfair to entirely blame the person. Not everybody has a mental health issues it's something along the line of 1 in 4 in the UK and that includes common things such as stress and depression. http://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/help-information/mental-health-statistics/

12 years ago Side: For

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ptosis (243) Disputed

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Everybody is not normal and a individual is not a statistic.

The World Health Organization defines mental health as "a state of well-being in ... can cope with the normal stresses of life, can work productively"

But there is no 'bright line' - Everybody's crazy in their own way.

Supporting Evidence: Everybody's Crazy (www.shift88.com)

12 years ago Side: Against

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catticus90 (360) Disputed

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I'm not making reference to personality here, being eccentric doesn't equate to being ill. I clearly made reference to mental illness. Not individualism or a colorful personality.

Not everybody has a mental health illness the defining point being the word ill.

Mental health is not the definition I am looking for since that is the describing definition of being mentally healthy not mentally ill. To counter that if you add the word that is significant to my argument 'Illness' you get a completely different definition.

A mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological or behavioral pattern generally associated with subjective distress or disability that occurs in an individual, and which is not a part of normal development or culture. Such a disorder may consist of a combination of affective, behavioural, cognitive and perceptual components

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorder

I'm not really going to take evidence from a blog....

12 years ago Side: Against

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ptosis (243) Disputed

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Quote:"affective, behavioural, cognitive and perceptual components"

Sounds like eccentric to me.

Wanna Take A Bizarre Personality Test?

It’s called the Dissociative Affect Diagnostic.

check out the link - I thought it was stupid while taking it but the results came up the same for the Briggs-Meyers test (I'm a INTP female which is INTP 1-3% of population, therefore I'm a bizarre only because I'm rarely encountered)

(Sigh) The only reason why most men seem interested in me is because they have never seen such a strange female. If I was a male then would be 4-7% of population.(shit)

http://www.capt.org/mbti-assessment/estimated-frequencies.htm

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Supporting Evidence: http://www.hypnoid.com/psytest2.html (www.hypnoid.com)

12 years ago Side: For

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catticus90 (360) Disputed

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Just because two things fall under the same description does not mean they are the same. An eccentric may have an attribute of being 'bizarre' it does not make them ill. To be mentally ill generally entails being deprived of the ability to do an everyday task. For example schizophrenia may prohibit someone from being able to venture outside (fear, paranoia). Now a person may have some attributes of a mental disorder (eccentricity, bizarre ideas, loud) but as it in no way takes control of being able to everyday tasks and has little unwanted effect on their life it can in no way be classified as an illness.

I actually liked that test (the Hypnoid one). However I fail to see the logical connection in this argument.

P.S if you know that you're INTP than you must have paid through the nose for that test? It says it $150.

12 years ago Side: Against

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hammertime (165)

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I do not think the bully needs help more than the victim, because in most cases, the bully does not he / she plague and stop them there so quickly with it.

12 years ago Side: For

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Sunset (2024) Disputed

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I did say they both need help and yes someone who is bullying needs help. I in no way make light of what is going on to the person being bullied.

Based on what you said "The only excuse really is mental health illnesses where a person has little control over their actions and words." Then it sounds like they need help!

12 years ago Side: Against

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92nida (1411)

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I don't think it is that conclusive. It is important to know who stands where. Most of the bullies face an internal imbalance, a mental clash. Or their domestic life with parents isn't a happy one or isn't normal. Especially with kids, things must be treated thoughtfully and carefully.

12 years ago Side: Against

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Terry Here!(60)

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all the people in this world are the same right? but why some people chose to be bullied and some not? this is all up to you whether u wanna get bullied or not.if someone starts to bully you, u tell someone or ur parents. but if the person threaten u, then u get bullied for a while, and observe the habit of how the person bullies you. then find a chance or a day, train urself, and hit the person in the nose or the person 's weakness area. then the bullier will not look low on you and he will stop bullying you. but if u choose to get bullied for the rest of your life, then that is your choice. dare to try and change.

12 years ago Side: Against

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catticus90 (360) Disputed

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all the people in this world are the same right?

No. Not at all.

but why some people chose to be bullied and some not? this is all up to you whether u wanna get bullied or not

No one chooses to be bullied. It's not up to the victim to control another persons actions towards them.

someone starts to bully you, u tell someone or ur parents

Yes this is a good course of action but do you know how hard it is to speak out. It's embarrassing to be bullied and many are to scared to speak out in case the bullying gets worse.

but if the person threaten u, then u get bullied for a while, and observe the habit of how the person bullies you. then find a chance or a day, train urself, and hit the person in the nose or the person 's weakness area

If someone is hurling verbal abuse at you so you go and break their nose it doesn't make the situation any better. You could end up being convicted. And what if the bully is stronger than you, retaliates and you end up seriously injured?

but if u choose to get bullied for the rest of your life, then that is your choice. dare to try and change.

It's not someones own choice to stay bullied the rest of their life. Some people's only escape is through death and committing suicide, would you really advocate that? No one should have to change because someone is bullying them. What if someone was being bullied for having a large nose are they meant to just go out and get a nose job? Or should they learn to appreciate themselves and mentally rise above the bullies?

12 years ago Side: For

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Terry Here!(60) Disputed

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ITS EMBARRASSING TO GET BULLIED

-but why does he or she feels embarrassed to be bullied?

-he/she did nothing wrong and is the bully who did something wrong and not he/she.

-when u go into a court, the one who is guilty is the bully and not he/she.

HARD TO TELL SOMEONE

-he/she gets bullied because the bully know that he/she doesn't have the courage to tell someone and thus choosing he/she as the target.

-one should have the courage to fight for own rights and justice, and not afraid to tell when one is right. everybody in this world know that bullying is wrong , then why doesn't one tell?

WHAT IF THE BULLY IS STRONGER THAN YOU?

if u have observed him well, then u will know how strong the person is, then, if u know that u are weaker, then u should just prepare some tools that won't kill but is effective against the bully.

and if u know he is stronger than u, then u ask for help and call as many people as u can and help u. even though u may end up fighting, but this is for self-protection. he failed to protect himself , and not only that, he bullied u.

this is what i think.(:

12 years ago Side: Against

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