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 People who don't believe in evolution, I have a question. (10)

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People who don't believe in evolution, I have a question.

Do you know the difference between macro and micro evolution? If not, go look it up. Do you not believe both? Or just macro evolution?

 

Because I had a chat with one of my co-workers who didn't know there was a difference. And it got me thinking. 

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2 points

Macro-evolution is what I have been discussing in some of my other debates. Its root ideology is that mutations and like causes can result in a radical change in organism. An example of this is a cat giving birth to a bird, which is irrational to believe in a state of nature. Micro-evolution is the term for variations within like kinds. Mutations and other such things have limits, because if they didn't then we would see the cat-bird example, and because of this it results in a multitude of "mutant" offspring. One such example is a cat giving birth to a different colored cat.

Emperor(1348) Disputed
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No it's not. That's not macro evolution.

Macroevolution IS microevolution but on a long time scale.

It's the difference between having a genetic mutation of one generation having offspring that is two inches taller, and the cumulative mutations of ten thousand generations making an entire species eight inches taller and with feet that are larger to support their added weight, along with eyes facing forward, instead of sideways so they can see up and down easier.

The same thing, except that macro evolution takes more time.

Saurbaby(5581) Disputed
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I wasn't asking for a definition. I was asking anyone who claims not to accept evolution if they don't believe in micro-evolution.

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If you really think that's what macro evolution is, then no wonder why you refuse to believe in it. You have the wrong idea on what macro evolution is.

Macro evolution is just lots of micro evolution. If you believe in one, you by default believe in the other.

riahlize(1573) Disputed
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I suppose you also believe in the peanut butter “refutation” to macro-evolution too, eh?

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The difference between the two is superficial. Macro evolution is micro evolution, just a lot of it. It's sad to see people reject evolution, when it is fully compatible with their religion.

Delphsend(10) Disputed
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The difference is in no way superficial -- I believe in micro evolution, because we have observed it. However, there is no proof that it's even possible for speciation to occur, meaning that macro evolution is still unproven.

Also, most religions believe that their god created the universe, and state the way in which he/she/it/they did so. Evolution's tenet of genetic variation through natural selection goes against many of these, including the Genesis account, and is therefore incompatible with their religion.

ChuckHades(3197) Disputed
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation#Example_of_three-spined_sticklebacks

Of course you still won't accept that speciation has occurred, will you?

Also, most religions believe that their god created the universe, and state the way in which he/she/it/they did so. Evolution's tenet of genetic variation through natural selection goes against many of these, including the Genesis account, and is therefore incompatible with their religion.

Not true. Religions evolve (if you'll pardon the irony) to accommodate new discoveries. The Catholic Church evolved so heliocentrism became compatible with their religion. They recently accepted evolution too.

The only people that view religion and evolution as incompatible are fundamentalists.

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I agree, I'm spiritual and a believer and I wholeheartedly agree with evolution. Evolution actually supports several theories of mine. But I've also known several religious or spiritual people who refuse evolution is true.

I believe in both macro and micro evolution, however, unlike most evolutionists I am willing to admit that the theory of macro evolution is flawed, but hey, so are most scientific theories, science is constantly refining and improving itself so we'll get it right eventually.