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Personally Pro life but pro choice for others. How nice it must be to be a total phoney!
So tell me why you are personally pro life. The only possible explaination is that you consider that unborn Baby every bit as human as a Baby after birth. Why else would you be personally pro life if you believed it less than human or just tissue.
So tell me, would you not support another's choice to kill their baby's after birth if some judge made it legal? Why is it you would not afford other's the choice to kill Babies after birth if it were legal. Would you vote for politicians who support killing Babies after birth for any reason? You vote for Democrats who support late term abortions for any reason.
All I see when I hear people say they are personally pro life but pro choice for others, is complete phonies who do not possess the guts to tell us they actually could care less about the millions of Babies aborted. They like to pretend having some humanity and compassion.
Personally Pro life but pro choice for others. How nice it must be to be a total phoney!
So tell me why you are personally pro life.
You really do sound crazy when you rant as if you're talking to one person, and claim to know so much about others. Of course, there is more that causes this, but it doesn't appear in this snippet.
The only possible explanation is that you consider that unborn Baby every bit as human as a Baby after birth. Why else would you be personally pro life if you believed it less than human or just tissue.
Who says that people who identify as "personally pro-life" (I'm guessing that you're just talking about females in this case) necessarily believe that unborn "babies" (however inaccurate it is to call it a "baby") are less than human?
So tell me, would you not support another's choice to kill their baby's after birth if some judge made it legal? Why is it you would not afford other's the choice to kill Babies after birth if it were legal. Would you vote for politicians who support killing Babies after birth for any reason?
Again, although I don't call myself "personally pro-life", some people aren't single issue voters, and some have moral philosophies that are more nuanced than "stop everyone from doing things that I disapprove of".
That being said, your occasional forgetting to put a question mark over a period suggests that you are more or less completely focused on telling others what they think, and why they are wrong.
You vote for Democrats who support late term abortions for any reason.
Again, you're assuming that people who identify as "personally pro-life" all:
1) Vote.
2) Vote for Democrats.
3) Vote for Democrats who, in particular, support late term abortions, and
4) for any reason whatsoever
I separated the entire thing to show just how many absurd claims you're making about others, simply because they disagree with you somewhat on abortion. You sound bonkers.
All I see when I hear people say they are personally pro life but pro choice for others, is complete phonies who do not possess the guts to tell us they actually could care less about the millions of Babies aborted. They like to pretend having some humanity and compassion.
Ugh, it's couldn't care less. You've been over this with several people. Remember when I told you that you write cringe-worthy stuff? This is one of many examples. You need to start trying harder in your arguments, and start listening to others, because I feel embarrassed just reading this.
Again, who are you to speak for the people who, again, happen to disagree with you somewhat on abortion? It's sad, but unfortunately not unbelievable that you claim to know sooooooo much about other people.
Do you have any idea how many times I cringe when you repeatedly dodge the entire point to constantly insult me with your pathetic demeaning remarks. It's so obvious seeing through the pathetic tactics of those on the Left who want to demonize the Conservative's message. It's like you all take College courses to learn how to twist the truth and lie about the facts to make your laughable arguments seem feasible.
Are you a complete fool or do you refuse to grasp the fact that I am talking to the people on the Left who support the things I speak against. I could care less how many different views and excuses people have for supporting abortion. I'm showing why they are complete phonies. People like you, that this argument was not about, are so paranoid and fearful of the pro life views being espoused to others, you must stick your noses in to spew the laughable excuses for abortions on demand.
The argument is about personally pro life people who support abortion choice for late term abortions. You are pro death so get out of the argument. The fact that you are a narcissistic person who must make himself feel intelligent by pointing out other's mistakes in grammar or their debating skills, makes you a waste of our time.
Do you have any idea how many times I cringe when you repeatedly dodge the entire point to constantly insult me with your pathetic demeaning remarks.
Again, missing a question mark, but hey, you're only talking at me, not with me.
It's so obvious seeing through the pathetic tactics of those on the Left who want to demonize the Conservative's message.
By the standards of pretty much anywhere outside the US, liberals are not on the left, they're center to right-center. US conservatives just happen to be very very right wing in the grand scheme of things, that doesn't make those that don't call themselves conservatives "leftists".
It's like you all take College courses to learn how to twist the truth and lie about the facts to make your laughable arguments seem feasible.
Or, maybe, our arguments have merit and are well reasoned, and you're just dogmatically defending your (fairly narrow) view of the political spectrum?
Are you a complete fool or do you refuse to grasp the fact that I am talking to the people on the Left who support the things I speak against.
The same people who hardly ever resemble this bizarre caricature that you've painted..........
I could care less how many different views and excuses people have for supporting abortion. I'm showing why they are complete phonies.
couldn't
You're conflating not opposing abortion, or supporting more rights and access to abortion with supporting abortion in of itself.
People like you, that this argument was not about, are so paranoid and fearful of the pro life views being espoused to others, you must stick your noses in to spew the laughable excuses for abortions on demand.
Do you see your personal philosophy as edgy and ingenious? You sound like a philistine, FromWithin, I wouldn't be intimidated by your rather goofy view on the nature of personhood, the (alleged) intrinsic value to life, morals, etc . I'm more familiar with these views than you think.
The argument is about personally pro life people who support abortion choice for late term abortions.
You just said 'supporting abortion', or are you really unable to discern the difference between supporting abortion, and disagreeing with the views behind laws banning women from having one?
You are pro death so get out of the argument.
lol, how did you reach that conclusion?
The fact that you are a narcissistic person who must make himself feel intelligent by pointing out other's mistakes in grammar or their debating skills, makes you a waste of our time.
I'm doing more than just critiquing those two things. I'm pointing out your grammatical mistakes and debating style (not skills, there is a difference) because:
1) It makes me cringe, and I just want them to end,
2) some pertain to my arguments regarding how you treat others, and
3) it helps me illustrate just how stubborn and partisan you're being.
Hey I have an answer for you so you will no longer need to cringe. IGNORE ME!
Nahhhh, you must silence opposing opinions to the pro choice message. I figure it's all about insecurities where you want no one speaking to issues that you feel insecure over. So tell me, are there abortions in your family where you feel the insecure need to prevent others from making you feel guilty? I for sure would not waste my time debating an issue that had no bearing on my own personal life. You must be one of those compassionate people who just cares so much for other's rights to abort babies.
To help you with your insecurities, I am not on this site to judge any individual that has had an abortion. I'm here to help prevent future abortions. I guess my compassion for innocent life supersedes my compassion for the one wanting to end that life. Go figure.
i hope you realise attacking the person you don't agree with at their roots with flimsy 'psychological warfare' insults like a call of duty game does absolutely nothing to better yourself or your argument.
Have you ever attacked or insulted the Hitler's or the nations that support killing innocent children? I do the same with people who support the killing of millions of innocent Babies. I will continue to tell it like it is and people like you will continue to insult me because I shine the light on your inhumanity.
When you make ludicrous excuses to kill innocent life, I will compare that logic to Hitler's logic. LIVE WITH YOUR YOUR OWN LUDICROUS EXCUSES FOR KILLING.
I there are no excuses for killing, there's just people recognizing simple facts that you are incapable of grasping, and you responding with illogical "arguments", name calling, and screaming./
Every argument you don't agree with is illogical. To most thinking people, my analogies are spot on. Any dictator could use the same exact moronic arguments as you to excuse taking innocent life.
Will you never catch on. Its not that your points are invalid, its that you argue like a liberal progressive. i.e. you rely on insulting, demeaning, discrediting your opposition. This is the tactic used when your argument is false or otherwise without reason or merit.
Use facts whenever you have them, then see of your opposition can argue against them.
Daver, why must you always stoop to his level when talking to him? Saying that millions of people who simply have an opinion differ from yours ALL adhere to this behavior is absurd, and you know that! So why do you continue to do so, when you are clearly intelligent enough to know how ridiculous you are sounding?
It is your tactics that I questioned in this case. Even when you posses the high ground, you still resort to partisan generalizations that simply amount to attacking those who disagree with you. Like you said yourself: Fight an opposing ideology with facts, not with what amounts to insults.
Sorry but my characterizations are founded in fact and experience. Liberal progressives do have trouble debating with facts, hence they avoid doing so by the tactics I have referenced.
Your characterizations are founded in anecdotal experience, and we both know that. If I employed your same reasoning, I would accuse all Conservatives of the exact same thing. The problem is, neither you, nor I, have had experience with a sufficient number of people for it to reasonably be considered representative of millions and millions of people. So why are you making that mistake?
Look liberal progressives want to take this nation into socialism. Liberal progressives have been in control of cities like Detroit and Washington D.C. for decades. Look at the results. Their ideas do not work.
Liberal progressives gave us the war on poverty. A 50 year program that has failed by every measure.
Liberal progressives gave us Obamacare, which has totally failed to make healthcare affordable.
They know theses facts and avoid talking about them. They will not debate their failed ideology because its not working. They shift, dodge, and attack any who disagree. That good fellow was my reference.
"Look liberal progressives want to take this nation into socialism" No, they don't. Socialists want that. If one is a liberal, they are not a socialist, and therefore do not want to take us to socialism. That's pretty straight forward.
"Liberal progressives have been in control of cities like Detroit and Washington D.C. for decades. Look at the results. Their ideas do not work." One can hold up both successes and failures of both ideologies. That game is boring and will achieve nothing, so why don't we agree to NOT bother with that?
"Liberal progressives gave us the war on poverty. A 50 year program that has failed by every measure." And Conservatives gave us the War on Drugs. So what? We can spend ages pointing to failures from both ideologies, that STILL proves nothing as it pertains to our previous conversation.
"They know theses facts and avoid talking about them. They will not debate their failed ideology because its not working. They shift, dodge, and attack any who disagree. That good fellow was my reference." Both ideologies deflect from their failures, how is that unique to anyone? Should I refer to Conservatives denying the failures of some of their programs, tout that as proof that Conservatism is not working and point to them attacking people who disagree? Why bother, as that would not prove anything regarding Conservatives as a whole.
You are dodging the point, Daver. We both know that neither of us have sufficient backing to generalize millions upon millions of people. We have both had negative experiences with people of opposing ideologies. You should recognize the nature of anecdotal evidence, and remember that it is not sufficient to judge every adherent of an ideology based on said experiences.
Are we left then with ideological argument as pointless. I think not. We argue with liberal progressives, not to awaken them, but for the benefit of the listener. The one who has not yet fallen into deceit. And I use the word deceit to describe their tact of gaining support. Millions of good and proud Americans belong to the major political parties. The liberal progressives have hijacked the Democratic party and bent it to their ends. These are the enemies of our constitution not Democrats or Republicans.
Ideological arguments are certainly not pointless, but arguments where you begin with the assumption that they who disagree with you have "fallen into deceit" are. To assume that if one who holds to an ideology that differs from yours, and manages to convince someone else to do so, that they must have done so using deceit is ignorant, and is dishonest to yourself.
As I have said before, "Liberal progressives" are not a uniform, monolithic group. They have quite refereeing opinions, and very differing goals. Some of them can be antithetical to the Constitution, other's aren't. Just as how some Conservatives goals are antithetical to the Constitution, and other's aren't. For me to call all Conservatives "enemies of the Constitution" because of the actions of only some (even if those are the ones I have the most personal experience with) would be equally ignorant and dishonest.
So why do you continue to pursue this misguided road?
Again I must explain to you, these people insult you and myself a thousand ways. They will not call us a fool, they will say our argument is foolish. Maybe you are ok with that hypocrisy. I am not! I will continue to call a fool a fool. Like I said before, I have never seen Liberal change his spots. I'm not here to get through to a Liberal, it will never happen. This is why I will ban the really obnoxious ones.
There are many ways to make people proud. I'm proud of the way you express your points. I will do my best not to insult people, but when they insult me in their own superior arrogant ways, and never admit when they are obviously wrong, I will insult them.
Saying your argument is foolish is NOTHING compared to you calling us Hitler. We say your argument is your illogical, you compare us to a genocidal dictator, then complain that we have insulted you. That is a hypocrisy you do seem to be okay with.
And again, criticizing someone's argument is not insulting one's character. Saying your argument lacks analytic logic is not claiming that you contain a flaw, yet you have always perceived it as such.
I NEVER called you hitler. I said the Hitler's of the world use your same excuses to condone killing innocent life. GET IT RIGHT or the name calling continues.
You know what, I'll grant you that: You did everything BUT directly call us Hitler. You compared people on here to Hitler, you claimed they employed Hitler's logic, but you never CALLED them Hitler.
But if I use your logic, where if I call your argument illogical that is somehow calling YOU illogical, that would mean that you comparing us to Hitler is calling us Hitler.
I compared your excuses for killing innocent babies to what the dictators of the world have done for the ages. The simple facts are this... if that late term unborn child is a living growing human being, the killing of these Babies is no different than holocausts of Jews or any other group of people. If you refuse to admit this, then you lack the intellect to debate. You can of course deny the obvious which means you are using the same arguments and excuses as the Hitlers of the world.
if that late term unborn child is a living growing human being, the killing of these Babies is no different than holocausts of Jews or any other group of people.
Look at this antisemitic republican boob. If you're a Jew do you know what you are worth to a Republican? About as much as a fetus that hasn't even developed a functioning brain yet.
Jews: Vote Democrats! We value you as the crucial contributing members of society that you are.
While I am against late term abortions, there is at least a difference in scope and purpose.
That being said, as soon as you declare "agree with me or you are not intelligent enough to debate", you have deemed yourself failing that very standard.
You are one of the few on this site that I could have intelligent rational discussions. You have some common sense which is truly lacking on this site. There are such things as facts and figures which can always be twisted to fit one's argument. There is also such a thing as common sense intelligence which needs no facts or figures to see the obvious.
I've lived through traditional America to this new age Progressive lunacy we are seeing today. There is absolutely no doubt that the Liberal movement has brought us to this point where America has lost it's shame and pride, and has become a beggar no fault society.
I'm not so arrogant to say common sense always agrees with me... I could be missing common sense ideas from another person, but when I am stating common sense, it should be understood for what it is.... COMMON SENSE!
That isn't even remotely true. Daver, Zico, and Amorel come up with some VERY logical arguments I do not agree with. Your arguments, on the other hand, are not logical.
When you have to rely on "most thinking people agree with me", you simply prove my point. That is not a logical argument.
You don't get it do you. Just because you are a narcissistic arrogant person, does not mean you are logical. You are illogical to the extreme. To deny you support late term abortions for any reason and then deny you vote for those who keep it legal, makes you a total waste of my time. I will only debate a liar for a short time. Your's is running out.
See, that's the thing: I never called myself logical. I don't need to declare myself this or that as you have done over and over in your posts. I do not have to declare that "any thinking person agrees with me" (arrogance). I deny that I support late term abortions for any reason because I don't support them for any reason, and I deny that I vote for Democrats because I do not vote for Democrats. You have no proof to the contrary, so essentially, you are so arrogant that you, without knowing me or anything about me, think you are the authority on what I think and what I do. Then you turn around and call me arrogant because I dare to demonstrate how absurd such behavior on your part is.
When you have to rely on telling people how they think (to the contrary of what they both actually think, and declare they think) and how they vote (to the contrary of how they actually vote and declare they vote), then you are clearly not arguing from a logical position.
Go ahead, ban me. Prove you are incapable of handling dissenting opinions. Censor all the liberals and left leaning individuals on this board, prove your hypocrisy.
Can you indicate any way in which he has tried to "silence" your opinion? And if he hasn't, then that would seem to indicate the insecurities as being yours, seeing as how you think disagreement is an attempt to persecute you.
Hey I have an answer for you so you will no longer need to cringe. IGNORE ME!
Since you've really been asking yourself questions all along, it doesn't surprise me that you're about to give an answer, that being said, I'm listening.
Nahhhh, you must silence opposing opinions to the pro choice message.
I wouldn't call myself pro-choice, because for me choice is not a priority (for most liberals it really isn't a first priority), it's about quality of life.
I figure it's all about insecurities where you want no one speaking to issues that you feel insecure over.
I'm going out of my way to discuss this, with you, and I have done so in the past with others. I've discussed abortion offline, and if I don't get respect right away when discussing politics and religion offline, I earn it very quickly.
I'm not afraid or insecure to talk about these things, in fact I'm comfortable with all kinds of discussions because I excel at them, and to some extent, vice-versa.
So tell me, are there abortions in your family where you feel the insecure need to prevent others from making you feel guilty?
o.O
You what? No! Just, no. Have I already told you that my family is mostly Republican? Because, this is just.... Just...... no. Nope. None at all.
I for sure would not waste my time debating an issue that had no bearing on my own personal life.
It really only seems to have a personal bearing because you've gone out of your way to make it so. I debate topics such as this because I enjoy doing so, and because I debate for training and personal development.
To help you with your insecurities, I am not on this site to judge any individual that has had an abortion.
Now that you mention it, I don't think that I know anyone who has had an abortion (that I know of).
I'm here to help prevent future abortions. I guess my compassion for innocent life supersedes my compassion for the one wanting to end that life. Go figure.
You must be one of those compassionate people who just cares so much for other's rights to abort babies
Forcing others, or advocating others to be forced to be unable to do things that you find immoral, is not compassion. As I've said many times, you can't feed someone with morality or codes, they're abstract. I could list any moral code trending on this planet right now, and you'd have absolutely no reason to see it as any more or less valid than yours.
Compassion is either making someone mentally or physically more comfortable, or at least less uncomfortable. Nobody cares if you're trying to tell them that they're wrong or immoral, and quite frankly if you could convince them that they are, it's inconsequential.
You are an animal looking to define something so profound that understanding of it could only be afforded to something so powerful that it could not be known, much less understood to us in any way, the only difference between you and I is that I've accepted my place as that animal, that thing. As a result, just like anyone who believes in a moral code, you're shooting in the dark at best. Assuming that there is a right and wrong, we'd have no clue how to discern it, and it would most likely not apply in a human context. Like all humans, you're a relatively very smart ape, and that's a fine (if ephemeral) experience.
This is why I simply cannot, and will not take a pro-life stance, because, in the grand scheme of things, there is no right or wrong, there is just stuff that makes us feel good, and stuff that doesn't. We should focus on that:
If the adoption route out worked out in practice, I'd be more much likely to be on board with you. Pragmatically, although banning abortion will have an effect on the number of abortions, it will lead to many more dangerous ones (not just talking coat hangers), a higher strain on the foster/adoptive system, and will put strain on our welfare system.
Even with states that have abortion banned, adoption/foster care simply has not filled the gap, partly because people are not totally rational in their decision making, partly because there is a huge restriction on the elasticity of supply when the demand for adoptive/foster parents go up, and partly because people simply don't care enough.
If you're putting principle over results (in this case, quality of life), we're just not going to see eye to eye, and you can see why. The major difference is that I'm trying to illustrate to you why principles have very little, if any value.
You say "Compassion is either making someone mentally or physically more comfortable, or at least less uncomfortable. Nobody cares if you're trying to tell them that they're wrong or immoral, and quite frankly if you could convince them that they are, it's inconsequential"
So have you watched the only abortion video they would allow on national tv? Did you notice the unborn Baby moving away from the instruments of his death? The Baby felt pain! Now under your explanation of compassion, did you want that unborn Baby to be more comfortable?
You might excel at narcissistic feelings for yourself but compassion? You have little of it.
So have you watched the only abortion video they would allow on national tv? Did you notice the unborn Baby moving away from the instruments of his death? The Baby felt pain! Now under your explanation of compassion, did you want that unborn Baby to be more comfortable?
Bear in mind:
1) I don't support abortion at just any age
2) This one case doesn't invalidate my entire argument of how making abortion illegal causes undo suffering to society on the whole, and
3) That's better than the suffering that the fetus would've faced if it grew up given how badly it "lived" for a while.
You saw one video on national television of a botched abortion, and now you think that abortion must always be bad? You sound just like the people who point to a few circumstances where a handful of people with legally acquired gun permits still do bad things with guns sometimes, we should ban guns from practically all civilians, you just didn't realize it when you wrote this argument.
That being said, I would want the fetus to be more comfortable. Not opposing abortion isn't tantamount to not wanting any regulations on abortion at all, or espousing how a few abortions are done.
Are you going to respond to a plethora of my arguments, or are you going to continue to strawman one and insult me?
You might excel at narcissistic feelings for yourself but compassion? You have little of it.
Haha, you have no idea. You sound like such a philistine from the other end.
You are such a phony. To sit there and claim to not support abortion at just any stage, but then vote for politicians who will keep it legal at any stage for any reason, makes you waste of our time.
The Democrat party voted in lock step to prevent the GOP bill that would stop late term abortions for any reason past 5 months. SPARE ME YOUR EXCUSES!
Do you really think anyone takes you seriously when you trot out that tired old claim? So many people have explained to you what a "rider" and a "poison pill" is and how it relates to this.
To sit there and claim to not support abortion at just any stage, but then vote for politicians who will keep it legal at any stage for any reason, makes you waste of our time.
Do you ever ask a question that you don't answer yourself? No of course no that's right you're a republican that always believes in tying people upside down on poles and forcing them to eat their tartare sauce on lemon wedges. They like to pretend they have some humanity and compassion but they are phonies. Fucking lemon wedging republican voters.
okay, so atrag was a little aggressive here towards republicans, but no more so than you towards people with a different ideology to your own. i dont see any reason to ban atrag any more than there is reason to ban you.
Atrag was stalking me attacking every argument I commented on. I told him or her to ignore me because I will not debate someone from another nation who knows nothing of our society.
Please do ban me, I welcome the silence from Liberals who will never admit their faults.
Lets think about choice in consideration of the conditions that a child in-utero may be diagnosed or born with, for example spina bifida, where depending upon where the lesion is depends the degree of difficulty, then there is downs syndrome where the degree is also dependent upon certain factors. MS is genetically inherited as are many other conditions.
Some newborns will die within a short while because they are unable to survive very long after delivery, this may happen in cases of serious cardiac abnormalities. Many live with surgery and sustain life.
In many cases the quality of life raises ethical questions, and where choice and argument often lay, however, I will always bow to the will, desire, ability and love of the parents who want to give their child the very best quality of life they can no matter the degree.
Are you kidding me? Do you know how many times I've pointed out not to waste our time with your life of mother, extreme cases, blah blah blah to excuse abortions on demand for any reason. HEALTHY MOTHERS, HEALTHY BABIES! That's what I'm talking about!!!!
When you vote for Democrats you are supporting late term abortions for any reason! QUIT WASTING OUR TIME! The GOP already supports extreme cases and life of mother.
You are the phony I speak of. That Baby deserves the right to life and people like you who say it's up to the mother are complete phonies. How would you like someone making it legal to kill you when they deemed your quality of life possibly less than normal?
Don't kid yourself, there are a bunch of people, especially women, who believe a woman has the right to an abortion up to the day she delivers. I don't know what the percent is, but it is much more than you think.
You declared it a phony issue, which it is not. That seemed to imply you didn't think hardly anybody supported it, when many pro abortion women do, and some men. The problem is people lie when giving answers to questions that would embarrass them. That is why it is next to impossible to get an accurate percentage.
And how would you know that they lie, exactly? It seems that those who declare this issue to be so large are doing so without any evidence to substantiate it. It's almost as if many people WANT it to be an issue, probably because it makes the topic of abortion more black and white. But if you do not have an accurate percentage, and apparently you don't even think you can trust if someone will be honest about their views, then what basis do you have for claiming to know them? What evidence do you have that such a substantial amount of people (women OR men) support it?
And "pro-abortion" is such an absurd term. Nobody "likes" abortion. There are simply those who do not think the government has the right to make it illegal.
You are the liar. The Democrat party voted in lock step to prevent the GOP from stopping abortions past 5 months unless life of mother or extreme cases. YOU ARE A LIAR! You constantly deny the facts! You sit their with your pathetic denials saying you do not support these abortions even if you voted for Democrats. Again, you are a pathetic liar who refuses to admit the simple truth of what you support with your vote.
Look at what I said: It is not on their party platform. That is a fact. That is not a lie, that is an indisputable fact. The fact that they have blocked bills that the GOP have tried to past that, AMONG OTHER THINGS, have tried to limit late term abortions does not change that in any way, shape, or form.
You don't know what a hypocrite is and you clearly don't know what a lie is either.
And for the last time, I have not voted for the Democratic Party. How short is your attention span?
LOL, so you will excuse people from all blame who DO vote for Democrats because it is not spelled out in their platform where they support abortions on demand at any stage. OF COURSE THEY WOULD NOT SAY THE TRUTH IN WORDS FOR ALL TO SEE! Get some semblance of a brain. They will deny the obvious facts also. That way simple low end voters will feel ok when they pull the lever for inhuman politicians.
If it is true you would never vote for Democrats, then maybe you do posses some sort of intelligent thought. I don't swallow it for a second.
When have I excused people who vote for Democrats for anything? And you keep repeating that Democrats support something that they simply don't. I have already addressed why Democrats have voted against bills Republicans had proposed: because they always include other measures besides restrictions on late term abortions.
I do love how narcissistic you are though. "Vote for my party, or you do not posses any intelligence".
Are you kidding me. Nobody likes abortion? Millions of women LOVE abortion. Here is an article on it. I can give you a dozen reasons right off the top of my head if you want them. A couple are listed in the article.
What kind of fools talk about fetal abnormalities or life of mother abortions, blah blah blah, when in fact the vast vast majority of abortions are purely for reasons of birth control. Can you fools EVER STOP your ludicrous excuses. We are talking about stopping the aborting of healthy babies by healthy mothers. The GOP would love a compromise where only healthy Babies and healthy mother's abortions are illegal. The Democrat would die before excepting anything but abortion on demand for any reason.
I will ban from any of my arguments the next idiot that brings up these rare cases that have nothing to do with the argument.
I have a down syndrome brother and guess what? He loves life and is a joy to our family. What kind of inhuman person would condone killing special needs children just because they deem them inferior? You people are beyond having a rational debate. You have no conscience or shame! It's sickening!
actually this is the sort of opinion you hear from parents themselves who are known carriers for genetic diseases. it is not a hypothetical opinion, it is a part of reality. and it happens more than you might think
Don't you get bored of these pathetic "debate" topics? You just spew the same opinion you have done over and over in an incredibly biased heading and use it as a justification to yell at people.
Why would I ever get bored defending innocent human life. If I can't get inspired over one of the most important issues on Earth, then I might as well be dead inside.
Some people are more passionate over the safety of people who chose to break laws that protected innocent lives of Babies. They said it was not safe for these people in back alleys, or with coat hangers, etc.
Now let me get this straight ok? Those on the Left who supported Abortions cared much more for the safety of those who would abort the Baby, rather than the safety of the Baby itself.
Wow, that is one pathetic misplaced compassion. I would have supported those who wanted rights for life of mother abortions, but nahhh that was cover for their real goals of abortion on demand right up to birth.
Why not make laws for criminals who might get hurt in back alleys when they mug someone. Is that something worth fighting for in your world? Don't worry about the victim.
Whats so sick about pro choice people is they could care less that pro life people have no problem with life of mother abortions. That was suppose to be the entire reasons for stopping back alley abortions. You just can not make this stuff up. Pro choice people seem to lack the most basic humanity and compassion for innocent life.
I know it really is pointless trying to point out facts to you, but I will try it again: Your concept of life is not universally accepted, and that is the basis for the entire issue.
But keep patting yourself on the back, thinking that yelling at people on a fairly obscure website is "defending innocent human life".
Are you kidding? I have no delusions that Liberals will ever change their inhuman spots. I'm not trying to change you, it is hopeless. I never asked you to debate me, I asked you to ignore me. I want to talk with people who have some semblance of moral thought and compassion for all innocent life.
Yet again, for the umpteenth time, I am no liberal.
Additionally, liberals are fairly split on the issue of abortion.
Heck, you don't even know what I think about abortion. Do you not realize that I have yet to tell you my personal opinions on it? I have told you I have not voted for the Democratic Party, and am not a registered Democrat, so you don't have that card to play.
But because I disagree with you (without even telling you my opinions on the matter), that means I have no "semblance of moral thought" (as if that makes sense) or "compassion for all innocent life".
That is what all dictators claim. They say their concept of life is not universally accepted. In Hitler's world killing Jews was ok. In your world killing unborn babies is ok.
Gee I guess the civilized people of the world refuse to take a stand for humanity. Liberals are such fools, their no fault ideology applies to any evil because everyone's concepts of life differs.
Can you cite one dictator that claimed that? Just one quote from one dictator.
Notice that Hitler recognized it was KILLING Jews, which means he recognized they were alive.
Also notice, I do not think killing babies is okay. I am personally against terminating a zygote as well, though I do not believe the government has the right to force that opinion onto someone else.
People take stands for humanity all the time. Especially when standing against such arrogance and ignorance from people like yourself.
And you sure have some audacity to decry "no fault ideology" after trying to excuse the law-breaking cop in the Eric Garner case.
I get bored by idiots who refuse to address the arguments and spend all their time insulting me and how I debate. I am starting to get so bored with it, there might be many more banned from my arguments. I would love to have enjoyable conversations with honest rational people who have the basic understanding of humanity.
That's what I mean. You LIBERALS refuse to address my points, you CONSTANTLY CHANGE THE SUBJECT WITH DENYING YOU ARE LIBERAL! That only shows you have no rebuttal.
You are not making points, FromWithin. He responded to a post of yours where you said it was funny to hear a liberal talk about freedom of speech. That was not a "point", that was a deflection. He did not change the subject, YOU did.
As you said, that only shows you have no rebuttal.
You keep getting it wrong. I want to ban only the fools. Rational people are are joy to talk to. You should create a debate site that only allows people who agree that unborn Babies have no rights. Then you could agree all day long.
Yes I would ban myself were I a fool. Since I am not, I must listen to myself :)
Ladies and gents: A REPUBLICAN! If they don't believe in your views you are a fool. Republicans and those that think exactly like them are the only ones that are worth listening to. Be smart. Vote Democrat. We listen.
but what people are getting at is that you seem to consider anyone who does not agree with you as a fool. and even if we were wrong in some way, it still isn't much of a reason to ban anyone... what does it solve? do you really post questions simply to listen to others agree with you? are you that narcissistic? having people disagree with you is a natural part of any communication. the fact that you feel the need to ban people on a debating website specifically is pathetic
What you seem to miss ALL THE TIME is that I responded to these insulting Liberals many times before banning them. When they start getting disgusting, swearing, or just stalking to attack everything I say, I will then ban.
You just asked me if I was that narcissistic? You said that banning people is pathetic. You just called me narcissistic and pathetic. In your hypocritical world, those are not insults. These are the types of things constantly said to me but you Left wing hypocrites spew lunacy how it is only I that insults. How does one debate such utter arrogant hypocrisy?
You respond by insulting them first. Time and time again, you throw the first insult, then you get mad when people have the audacity to insult you back. Plus, you complain about stalking on a website with a small population where people watch the Waterfall for comments they disagree with (means you don't understand stalking).
Yet again, you complain and complain and complain about getting insults, but, as I said, time and time and time and time again, you are the first one to insult people, then you feign outrage when someone does it back.
"How does one debate such utter arrogant hypocrisy" I ask myself that when looking at your comments all the time.
That is where you are so naive or keep acting stupidly (not an insult in your world).
Do Liberals call me a fool? Some do but i will play your game and say they are not the first ones to do so. Insults from the Left wing go way beyond some one word insult. Their insults goes to a person's core. They speak in terms of Conservatives not caring for the poor, or not caring for a pregnant woman, or not caring for Black people, etc. etc.
Not only are these stereotypes dead wrong, THEY ARE HIDEOUS INSULTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When I constantly here you arrogant eletes insulting Conservatives or Christians in this manner, I will insult in kind. Live with it.
just because someone does not agree with you does not mean they are a liberal or a fool or inhuman or irrational or a hypocrite or baby killers. i also did not call you pathetic or narcissistic, only that such terms would be appropriate names for your actions were you to commit them, which it so far tends to be so.
Do you have a clue of what you support? Do you ever vote for Democrats? If you do, you support late term abortions for any reason. Quit denying who you are. If you have committed voting for Democrats, the insults are correct.
Again, no, that does not mean that in any way, shape, or form.
Try to come up with an argument pertaining to this topic not based on a complete lie, and stop supporting a party that plays political games with abortion. If you actually cared, you would call for Republicans to pass a pure bill on the matter. They aren't, you haven't, and therefore you don't.
Why would I ever get bored defending innocent human life. If I can't get inspired over one of the most important issues on Earth, then I might as well be dead inside.
Some people are more passionate over the safety of people who chose to break laws that protected innocent lives of Babies. They said it was not safe for these people in back alleys, or with coat hangers, etc.
Now let me get this straight ok? Those on the Left who supported Abortions cared much more for the safety of those who would abort the Baby, rather than the safety of the Baby itself.
Wow, that is one pathetic misplaced compassion. I would have supported those who wanted rights for life of mother abortions, but nahhh that was cover for their real goals of abortion on demand right up to birth.
Why not make laws for criminals who might get hurt in back alleys when they mug someone. Is that something worth fighting for in your world? Don't worry about the victim.
Whats so sick about pro choice people is they could care less that pro life people have no problem with life of mother abortions. That was suppose to be the entire reasons for stopping back alley abortions. You just can not make this stuff up. Pro choice people seem to lack the most basic humanity and compassion for innocent life.
I am neither but understand how others could be without it representing an inherent contradiction. I doubt you could grasp the nuance though. You are more apt to rant incoherently and then ban me like half the other people you have done so to already. So why bother with the effort of explaining what you clearly cannot grasp?
I ban total fools. If you turn out to be one I will ban you. Don't be a fool and you will be fine. Funny how simple life is. If you consider me a fool, please ban me on your arguments.
You ban people who undermine your ideological views in a way you find uncomfortable; I would hardly consider it a reflection of my intellectual integrity if you did so. As for me, I only exercise the option to ban participants who are exceptionally uncivil, spamming, or otherwise non-responsive to the actual debate. If I think someone is an idiot I find myself completely capable of just ignoring them; the ban is unnecessary to that end.
except it is not just about the baby, and whether someone does not support the legislation behind having an abortion, it is that the mother should have the choice whether or not to raise a child, and having to slave resources during fetal development and eventually massive amounts of their time and effort for a child they do not want is unfair to both the mother and to the child. following that, regardless of whether abortions are legal or not, abortions WILL happen and without the support of a medical professional, many more women will die. and for 'pro-life' movements, where is the research for the number one cause of human death worldwide? miscarriages have not been looked upon whatsoever, despite the view they hold so strongly that life begins as a fetus. from the actions of pro-life parties so far i only see people who only wish to punish women for having unapproved sex.
You know, under your logic, dictators could find a million reasons why certain groups of people should die. He could say they are burdens on society, we can not afford them, many of them might end up becoming murderers and kill innocent mothers, etc. etc. etc. IT'S LUDICROUS! Your making excuses to kill innocent Babies for any reason. GET SOME HUMANITY PLEASE!
well following the argument so far im sure he thinks women are evil creatures of death and destruction, manipulating the world by censoring the lives that come forth
go look through some ethical thought experiments and maybe you will see why your idea of absolute right and wrong is ridiculous, even if you did understand the concept of subjectivity, or that other rational ideas can differ from your own. your idea of how rational minded humans operate is ironically more comparable to an insect colony
