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That only shows you do not know the rules of what you yourself follow. You have sinned so much on this site... you are beyond cleansing. You will go to hell. So, you like going there? You too have a fetish for pain and misery?
What about you? Why don't you take out the plank in your eye so you can see and take out the plank in your brothers eye. I have seen you sinned a lot too on this site. If I repent and turn away from ways then my sins will be forgiven so no I won't go to hell. I think someone needs to worry about themselves because they haven't accepted Christ because they are in the endanger of hell more than I am.
Actually you sin everyday because no one is perfect except for God. Jesus died on the cross for ours sins but that doesn't mean your sin's are washed away because you have to accept Him into your life and then your sins are washed away,
I am not evil I am not going to hell. Hell and heaven are different.
Even though it feels like we are your enemy, if you were look at the world how it really is, without gods and insane rules and all your sad lies, we would gladly welcome you.
Do you think we want to be your enemy? Christians, the majority have been lying for ages. We only want the truth.
The real truth.
The sun does not orbit earth, but the church lied in the past. They lied and said it did, and imprisoned the person who told the truth.
The church and your religion is dedicated to lies and controlling people. We only want to help you.
Please stop lying and try to look at the truth. Don't be our enemy just because you can be.
Christians have the real truth if you would just open your heart and believe and not doubt and not have discouragement. Why do you have little faith! BELIEVE!
I am not lying. I am in the truth your words are meaningless to me when you say to come to your side! I already told you I am never going to go on your side ever! Why do you waste your words on me! Its meaningless!
Christians haven't lied because if they did lie wouldn't someone already stepped forward and address the problem that it was lie? No. No one has said that and in fact no one has disproved Christianity and all of its aspects.
If you watched ALL those videos, you would see the truth through evidence and logic.
Now, I don't expect you to. Truth is evil to you, right? You prefer lies and ancient myths that make rape and murder ok.
You are evil, aren't you? I don't believe evil exists, but if there is something that I would call rotten to the core, it's your religion and your beliefs.
You can change though. There is always hope for a better world.
I bet people have spoken out against the churches lies. But back then they'd be killed for it, so either you went along with their game, actually believed, or died. Eventually they enslaved the minds of the masses and used that to spread and conquer thousands of miles of land, and gain the equivalent of billions of dollars.
Also, what do you think were doing right now? WERE STEPPING FORWARDS AND ADDRESSING IT. And you wont listen!
Why does he let children be born into poverty and then die? What is the point of their life?
Why did he come down once, but never again? It's not like he's against interfering with humanity, he's done it loads of times, with Moses, Muhammad, Jesus and all your other mythological crap.
If he can't even save dying children, then what worth is he?
In fact, why did he even make it so hard to grow food?
Because we disobeyed him and gained knowledge from the apple of truth?
Yes, if truth is seen as evil in the eyes of your god, then that god is evil as seen from my eyes.
Truth is beautiful to me, not controlling people and letting children suffer when they could be helped so easily.
If you follow that god, a god of Evil, then you are also evil, aren't you?
Don't make a bad choice like that. Don't follow a god of fire and floods.
Okay, Srom. I looked at all the accounts that Mackindale accused you of being and they ALL just happened to down vote in this debate, but NONE of them added an argument...
I can't stand people who lie. I don't even care if you come clean, but I can't stand it when people continue to lie.
You know what's funny? I log onto my account properly for the first time in two months and people are still going on about Srom's multiple accounts. Oh how I love this site :')
I do have Jesus and your going on debates that are in the past but I am different then how I was back then. Focus on the future because the past has already been written.
So you're not a Christian now? And you don't make pointless opinionated arguments from ignorance without giving a shred of supporting evidence for your conclusions?
Wow, here's something CaptainUSA wrote, referring to Srom.
"He is a pretty good person and I like how he debates. He provides evidence that God exists. All of the stuff he says is true nothing he says is wrong".
That's an exact quote.
Normally I laugh at that stuff, but this time I just felt sick.
You lie far too often, and even though you are beaten in debate, you still claim you're right.
I have no reason to trust you.
You are a liar and you play dirty. If you can't handle debate, then get off the site, don't get your friends to downvote me without fair argument and logic and evidence.
I am not lying. What makes you think I am lying to you when I am telling you the truth about who those people are. My friend uses Zenos184 for a lot of his other game accounts and this one as well.
You are a liar and you play dirty. If you can't handle debate, then get off the site, don't get your friends to downvote me without fair argument and logic and evidence.
Dude its a debate site it happens people down-vote you for no apparent reason. I have had tons of down-votes without any arguments and in fact you even down-voted some of my arguments without even responding to my argument.
I am not going to leave even if you suggest me to do.
We don't downvote arguments. What you post are not arguments. They are opinionated religious mouth diarrhea with absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support them.
A) Argument Example:
X is true because -insert support here- and Y is false because -insert support here-. My info is correct because -insert evidence/source here-. My analysis of this is -insert thoughtfull analysis here- (optional).
B) You:
You're all wrong and i am right! Praise jesus! God is with me so you're wrong!
Nope I haven no clue what's so ever I was gone for 5 minutes to do some chores that my parents asked me to do really quick and came back and you guys were complaining about how you accuse me of down-voting you and mackindale and me using multiple accounts to down-vote you.
Wait...what if Srom isn't legit? Like what if this is all a HUGE troll on CD? Literally I've never seen someone that stupid, and I watched the special olympics. Hey-oh!
I know. Sometimes it feels like he's trolling. Like just here "CHRISTIANITY IS RIGHT NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS".
I mean, no. It's not.
That's so close minded and silly. No one would be that stupid to think they are right no matter what.
But you know what? I have a creationist friend in real life, and he says that. He said almost exactly that he was right no matter what the evidence showed. It was stunning. I didn't realize people like that were real. It's scary almost.
I was comparing Srom to mentally disabled people. Actually, that't not very accurate. A mentally disabled person would probably give a more engaging argument than Srom.
Please wait, attempting to give a shit... ... ... ... ... No shits given. Please try again. Seriously i don't care about mentally disabled people and frankly think they're useless.
So? Not everyone thinks that and that sort of opinion can be very hurtful for people who have family like that.
True or not, opinions like that aren't useful because you can't really pass a law that forces abortion on them, so all it does it hurt people meaninglessly.
Again, don't care. I don't care if I hurt someones feelings. Also of course not everyone thinks that. That's my reason for being on this side. I won't censor myself. People should get thicker skin
You don't care if you hurt someone's feelings eh? What about if you hurt your girlfriend's feelings are you going to care? Of course! You have to be there for her so you would care if you do hurt someone's feelings so that statement is contradictory
Lol, look what I've created XD It was mentioned before. This is a debate site. You debate one side, other people debate the other. Srom doesn't debate. Debating is giving well thought out , logical claims based on evidence supported by sources with well thought out analysis of it included. Srom simply blabs on about his bible thumper unsupported claims while failing to back them up in any way. That is not debating. You don't belong here.
Dude all im saying is this is a debate. A debate is 1 side vs the other side. If you're not gonna pick one then why be here? I just dont get it but whatever
The debate is not: Fight! Fight! Fight! Srom Vs. nummi/Mack! THAT is why I said I wasn't siding with any of 'em.... because they're all whack as crack!
Its a debate within a debate. Its debate squared. You know, i wumbo, you wumbo, he she me, wumbo, wumboing, wumbology the study of wumbo! Its first grade Hellno!
Bye blinder believer? Let me guess, your gonna kick him off because you don't like his view on religion am I correct? Yeah, alright, I've ran into a far share of people who share political and economic views that I find to be outright stupid but I don't try and get them kicked off for disagreeing with me, grow up.
Anger is apart of debating. If you cannot keep your composure in a debate, you shouldn't be debating. Let him stay.
I would only suggest banning people who harass others on the site without end. But since this is a debating site, 'harassment' may very well be a strict or loose term.
If we're going to start playing that game, there's a whole list that you can have. I don't think like that though. There's a name for people that will only tolerate those who think the same way they do: Republicans.
Hahaha! Yeah it was pretty stupid but on a slow CD day... check it out... Mack and Nummi battling Srom and his fakes (or family, whatever)... they go back and forth about religion like they've done a million times.... wait... yeah... MORE FUCKING STUPID CRAP.
Hell that new guy's debate about Sprite Vs 7Up was more interesting. ;)
Dafaq? You think I sit here for hours and watch this all day long? No, I made it and left. Had a football scrimmage (we won), went to subway, talked to my girlfriend, now I'm chillin playin xbox and I'm gonna weight lift tomorrow. I'd say that's a life.
I still don't see what apparently not having a life has to do with making a debate... Reguardless, look how popular it is!! Horray I have friends! Mom! Hey mom... leaves chair
If you want to kick him off, it is a sign that either he is correct and you don't want to admit it... or you are intolerant of other people and other people's views. If you don't agree with him and don't want to deal with him, simply ignore him. Any other action is a sign of immaturity.
No one wants to kick him off though. Everyone here said he was welcome to stay as long as he stopped plagiarizing and telling people they'll go to hell if they don't believe. I want to argue evidence and logic, not scary threats from beyond the grave.
And no, it's not a sign he's correct. If Stephen Hawking had pushed the Zig Zang theory, something that other scientists thought didn't think made sense, and he said they had to believe it no mater what because he was right no matter what, he'd be kicked out. That's not how you find truth. Truth isn't about telling someone you know the truth no matter what anyone else says or what evidence there is.
Totally agree with lolzors on this one. Intolerance can go both ways. If you expect people to be tolerant of you, you need to be tolerant of them. (Someone famous once said something like that. Oh yeah, it was Jesus.)
All the people who think I should leave maybe you should leave. I am not leaving even if 99.99% of CD wants me to believe and it seems like I am the only Christian who actually defends the faith and provides proof even when people say that isn't proof
No you didn't defeat me or others I will triumph when Jesus Christ comes back for His second coming then you will know many Christians and I were correct and your ways that you choose was wrong and then you will finally realize that you were indeed wrong. I could see the shock on many atheists face once Jesus comes back.
No I will not listen to your orders when you say I can't use anything that originates from the Bible those are pointless words that you say to me because you will never ever get me away from my Bible and what it says keep up the pointless words that are being wasted right now.
You still haven't changed a bit ether not too surprising actually. XD
If you want to prove what the bible says is true you may not use anything that originates from the bible. EVERY sane person can understand my previous sentence!
I have changed, I have learnt quite a bit and I still keep learning. You on the other hand have not changed a bit.
Thank you for being such a good tool to learn from. By that I mean receiving the knowledge that people such as you exist.
If you want to prove what the bible says is true you may not use anything that originates from the bible. EVERY sane person can understand my previous sentence!
Again you can't tell me what to do and who are you to say I can't use the Bible?
I have changed, I have learnt quite a bit and I still keep learning. You on the other hand have not changed a bit.
If you want to prove what the bible says you may not use anything that originates from the bible! How stupid can you be for not understanding something so simple and elementary???
If you want to prove what the bible says you may not use anything that originates from the bible! How stupid can you be for not understanding something so simple and elementary???
I am not going to listen to what you say about how I can't use this Bible. I am simply going to ignore it from now on.
basically, if you use something from the bible, then that is not evidence because we dont believe the bible. provide evidence that the bible is real, if you want to quote the bible then at least, quote a prophecy or something
Basically by quoting the bible you're saying the equivalent of, "the bible/god is true/real because the bible says so". I shouldn't have to explain why that is wrong. Of course the bible is gonna say it's real you idiot! But it doesn't matter because we don't believe that passage or anything else in the bible. You have to prove that quote true using evidence outside the bible. It wouldnt make any sense if I said "evolution is true because evolution says so". The same goes for the bible. Now, If the bible said something like, "on the 3rd day of September 2012 a great earthquake will occur!" and it happened. Then that passage would be valuable and I'd be freaking impressed. This does not mean you can quote prophecies that were made in the bible that came "true" later in the bible because this is again saying "X is true because X says it is" which doesn't work.
And another thing on these so called "prophecies". Did it ever occur to you that whoever wrote the bible put in these prophecies and then later on as he wrote it made them come true? Which is likely the case seeing as no other writings talk about these so called prophecies or nearly anything the bible says happened as a matter of fact.
I will use the Bible even if you or everyone else says I can't use it. Also if I quote a prophecy from the Bible then they would want me to prove the Bible is true and some people would say that the prophecies I give isn't true or Jesus never fulfilled them.
You can use the bible but you aren't proving anything. And yes, we would want you to prove them, the fact that you can't means you lost. The bible is historically and scientifically inaccurate in every way, illogical, unsupported, and nearly everything in it has been disproven. It. Is. False. It's like quoting the car in the hat. It's just a story book and you dint prove ANYTHING by quoting it. Understand?
Well to me it is proving something, because I have provided evidence but people disagree and call its not evidence. Actually it isn't historically or scientifically inaccurate. Its really accurate because many scholars keep finding archaeological evidence to support the biblical scripture.
If you read Jesus and His world by Craig Evans the author uncovers archaeological evidence and their is even pictures.
Ok, now give evidence for those claims. Where did this Evans get his information? And I know I've found way more archeological evidence against the bible. This is just probably evidence for extremely minor things we know happened already.
Evans got it from Israel their are still things left from the Bible times that are still here on this time. You will just have to read the book, and I have found more archeological evidence for the Bible than against it.
Lets turn it around shall we ^^ Why don't you give us christians proof that god isn't there? Hmmm... You can't you can try to disprove it by saying the big bang or evolution but that doesn't prove that god is not there.
I agree with you, but the only problem with that is how can you prove that god is real and the big bang and evelotion shiz dident happen? So it goes both ways.
We have with logic and evidence. The problem is you and others like you simply ignore and deny all of it.
What you cannot prove nor disprove is a powerful being of unknown characteristics. The god and/or gods you claim as real, accompanied by stories of magic and other nonsense, are not, they do not exist. Gods do not exist. You god does not exist.
You made the first claim. That means you have to prove a god and we don't really have to do anything, but still we have provided you so much evidence to the contrary while you have given us nothing. If you claim something as real you must be able to prove it, if you cannot do that then it is not true.
If you claim something as real you must be able to prove it
Seriously thats not even remote proof that god isn't real you where just stateing what you believe 'You god does not exist.' We try to give you proof but just as christians do to your proof you reject it. It just goes both ways and goes down into a violent spiral.
Seriously thats not even remote proof that god isn't real
Then where is the proof that a god exists? There's been far more than enough time to prove it, thousands of year! There is not a single bit of evidence. Only nonsense.
And within a few centuries we have found so much evidence to prove a god unreal - all of science.
you where just stateing what you believe 'You god does not exist.'
That's not belief from my side, that's knowledge. I also know there might be some very powerful beings, but not the ones described in these stupid books.
We try to give you proof but just as christians do to your proof you reject it.
Giving evidence to the contrary is not rejecting, it is refuting. It is proving your claims wrong and unreal.
It just goes both ways and goes down into a violent spiral.
It does not go both ways. If you make a claim you need to prove it, whether with logic or evidence, otherwise it is all nonsense. I have provided logic and evidence for my claims. Your turn was first but you skipped it, now it is your turn again. You are the one going in circles with your denial of reality.
Stop weaving from the topic I asked a simple thing 'Give me proof that god isn't there' and you still haven't given me anything that is actually proof you said you have lots of proof so why don't you say some of that proof to me.
You and people like you are the ones claiming a god exists without giving any evidence. If you claim something you must provide evidence! Where is the evidence???
See, this is not how it works. You do not ignore all the evidence provided and simply keep asking for more saying you have not been given any evidence. Currently I'm not in the mood of repeating, what I've written around this site many times, in much detail. I'll do it shortly: all of science, fossils, similarities in structure throughout the animal kingdom of which we are a part of, evolution, Earth is not 6000 or so years old, logic, Occam's razor, "common sense", there is no magic nor supernatural, I can come up with all kinds of stories that have no evidence proving them real, contradictions with reality in your precious book, the stupidity depicted in the stories you claim as really have happened, contradictions in the definition of god itself, walking on water, rising from the dead, heaven, hell, if a god really existed he/she/it would not be as stupid as depicted in your precious book, there is no evidence of a god, there is no need for a god, why are there so many animals and only we are allowed to heaven/hell?, all the bad and evil your book approves (slaves, raping, killing children, etc.), etc. You want more? You want something more detailed, something where I have to work out all the logic while all you do is simply ignore and deny what I have to say? I am sure you have been provided all of them countless times and you simply ignored all of them. This is not how it works - you don't get to ignore and ask for more and ignore and ask for more and... Open your mind to reality! All you can say is there might be some very powerful beings. Claiming a god to absolutely exist in the absence of any evidence is a delusion! If you keep adhering to that belief in the presence of evidence proving it wrong then you are mentally ill.
I'm fairly certain you remember the evidence used against your stupid beliefs. Instead of asking me, again and again and again, for all that evidence, simply tip into your memory banks and begin refuting! If you could prove evidence and logic, reality itself, false you would have done so already! So, instead of providing further pointless "arguments", begin proving me wrong! Begin proving reality wrong!
Almost forgot. To prove true what originates from the bible you may not use anything that originates from the bible.
You want something more detailed? Something that is well thought through and well written out, something easy to understand? So you could simply say "I believe, thus it is all wrong" or just ignore it all? I need to make some time for that 'cause it'd take some hours to write it... or even longer. And if you would ignore that and say it was all wrong, it would prove you are mentally sick. You want that? I could do it.
And if you would ignore that and say it was all wrong, it would prove you are mentally sick. You want that? I could do it.
Go on and this is exactly what I meant by it go's both ways you give me something that I don't agree with and I give you something that you don't agree with.
fossils
They don't exactly prove that god's not there they're just bones shoved together with scientists saying it's a new dino.
It does not go both ways. You literally cannot prove religion right, if you could you would have done so already!
The only one ignoring is you, because otherwise you would simply have to accept defeat. You would have to accept that you are wrong. That religion is wrong.
If I don't agree with something that you give me it is because it is wrong. Because it is based on fantasy not reality. If I provide something then it is based on reality, on logic, evidence, reason, objectivity, etc., and if you deny and ignore that it means you are mentally ill.
Fossils??? That's all? Fossils prove that we evolved, not were created. It also proves the planet is a lot older than some 6000 years. Thus it disproves god who supposedly created us and everything around us. You don't pick some parts and ditch the others, if something supposedly done by something else is proven wrong then all of it is wrong.
Why are there so many religions and only one is supposed to be right - the one you believe in? Care to explain that? Don't give me some bullshit like it's because "I believe" or because the precious stupid book says so.
Why are there are many different religions and many people believing them? Care to explain that? If there is only one true religion then isn't everyone supposed to believe that?
Different religions means different gods, means war between all of them over this little and insignificant piece of dust we call Earth. I'm fairly certain that kind of war would kill all of us, yet here we are.
And also, why is religion taught and raised into a person? If it really were true then there would be no need for teaching, the knowledge about it would literally be in our genes so everyone would be born with it. No child is born with religion, it's the parents who raise them with it, into it.
Fossils??? That's all? Fossils prove that we evolved, not were created. It also proves the planet is a lot older than some 6000 years.
You do know that I am one of the few christians that don't beleive that the world is 6000 years old? It's pretty evident that it isn't. You ask the same queston to 10 different christains you'll get 10 different anwsers
Why are there so many religions and only one is supposed to be right - the one you believe in? Care to explain that?
I'm in christianity! If i'm a christian of course I'm going to say buddist's are wrong because we beleive different. But I do mange to accept that they beleive different from me something you should try.#
No child is born with religion, it's the parents who raise them with it, into it.
Yes pretty much but if your a christian you can accept things more easily if you are raised in science/atheism then you are most likely to not acept that there is fantasy not saying every atheist but most.
if you deny and ignore that it means you are mentally ill.
You think your so superior don't you? What gives you the right to say I'm mentally ill? Seriously you have no right to make a judment like that.
Evolution, Archeological evidence, science in general, common sense, logic, reason, the big bang, and historical evidence. Also god isnt real because i say so. Isnt that the argument you christians always use?
Evolution and the big bang disprove creationism. Archeological and historical evidence disprove much of the bible. And logic, reason, the laws of physics, and common sense disprove just about everything else. Ta-da
The reason that the big bang and evolution doesn't prove that god isn't there is that we believe god created everything so if somehow the big bang or evolution is proven we can just say that god did it it's not disproveing that god's there.
No it doesn't prove god isn't there but common sense does. But regardless it renders god useless and pointless. We now have a really good idea of how the universe began and how life evolved with tons of evidence. This disproves creationism, meaning that we can now say god did not create the universe and/or life. If he didn't do that then there's no reason to believe the bible. Rendering this god basically nonexistent and Christianity totally false.
If you end up being right, you are right for the wrong reasons.
Your arguments were beaten and proven wrong. Even though you are close minded and refuse to admit your defeat, to anyone who is unbiased, it would appear that your arguments have been beaten.
Right now, you are basically threatening me with hell.
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I don't believe what you do, so I will say you're gonna fucking cry when Golagorth, the God of Rape rises up on October 32nd, the Forbidden Date of the Unending Doom and rapes you for all of eternity.
You think Jesus will save you from Golagorth? I'm afraid Jesus is already in Thell, the Land of Eternal Misery being raped for all time.
Who cares if my arguments are defeated. I will never admit defeat for what I say about God and things that He has shown me and the evidence that I have uncovered.
I don't believe what you do, so I will say you're gonna fucking cry when Golagorth, the God of Rape rises up on October 32nd, the Forbidden Date of the Unending Doom and rapes you for all of eternity.
I think you need to go back and check your calender again because their is no such day as the 32nd of October and I am not afraid of anything for I know God is with me.
There is no such thing as your god either, and Jesus isn't ever coming back.
You're not afraid? Yes, often ostriches will bury their heads in the sand when they are afraid too.
Covering up fear with god is sometimes wise.
But you are still a coward, aren't you?
Courage is going forward, even when there is fear in your heart. Overcoming the odds and doing great things, despite your fear.
Not having fear is not wisdom or honorable, but going forth despite fear is.
If your arguments are defeated, it's because you're wrong. I find it sad how strongly you support these ideas.
If they're wrong, what's in it for you?
If you know the truth, then you can move forward and we can be friends, rather than enemies because of your close minded view that all who disagree with you will burn and suffer.
I am sorry but you are wrong Jesus is coming back because some of the prophecies have been already happening and their is only 1 prophecy He hasn't fulfilled which is the rapture of His people and the church.
Nope I am not a coward people who say I am a coward are the cowards because they are the one's who mentioned it first.
I know I am not wrong!
I do know the truth and we can still be friends even though we have different beliefs and I am not going to agree with your beliefs.
The bible has been edited over and over. That is fact. Changed nearly 400+ times estimated by bible scholars as a matter of fact. So what makes you think they didnt just go back in and make these "prophecies" fit?
Also, our beliefs? Lol, you dont even know the definition of atheism. Atheism is a lack of beliefs due to insufficient evidence. Were not arguing our beliefs vs your. Were arguing science, logic, reason, rationality, morality, common sense, historical evidence, physical evidence, archeological evidence, and much more vs your beliefs.
The bible also says that if you pray for something that it will come true. Yet, there are FAR more unanswered prayers than answered ones. Any even when they are "answered" theres logical reason why they happened which shows it was simply coincidence. So if you look at prayers like mini prophecies, you see that god really doesn't fullfill jack shit.
That would also explain all the evil religion has caused and still does.
Following the bible only leads to death and destruction, to evil. Unless there is a force, people smart enough, to keep it at bay.
It is impossible to not do even the slightest sin - everyone is destined to hell. Eternal fetish of pain and misery - the heaven itself.
Stories that approve killing children, raping girls and women, beating up people, taking people as slaves, etc.
Now that does make sense - a god of eternal agony. And to think so many willingly adhere to it without even thinking, without even realizing, what it really is they follow.
Well, I'm leaving the site today and I probably won't be back for a long time for various reasons. If anyone cares (probably no one does), they can message me or reply to this with any final goodbyes or whatever. But see you everyone! Its been real.
I've been a member of this site for quite some time, and a hell of a lot longer than most of you douche bags telling Srom to fuck off.
When I first started on this site I hated Srom. Why? Because he was/is extremely religious and at the time that annoyed the hell out of me. But since then Srom and I have made amends and we've both matured considerably, and while he still incorporates religion into many of his debates, he is much more proficient in giving evidence and creating good arguments for his causes, and that's what this site is all about. I'm not denying the fact that Srom may have multiple accounts, but if he does he shouldn't be banned, the multiple accounts should. Everyone can act like an idiot once in a while, so cut Srom some slack and leave him alone, he's only a kid and he's still learning.
If you're so butthurt about someone with a couple of different accounts that you feel the need to constantly bash him over the internet of all places, you seriously need to take a good hard look at how pathetic your life is. So Mackindale, learn your place and stop trying to be an internet hero.
And Srom, if it's true, stop with the multiple accounts, I have respect for you already, but you'll only gain more from me if you play fairly.
The left side was completely empty until Srom, during this debate decided to downvote me and a few others with multiple accounts.
I had always supported free speech here, so don't paint me as the bad guy. Srom plays dirty, and even though this is just an internet website, it is more fun when people don't get actually angry and try to be cheat or like you, be a white knight.
Wait...you are taking Srom's side? Even after this???????? He called you Mors. That alone should make you join the other side. Luke, come to the dark side. ;)
The problem is Srom feels the same about you, which would mean if either of you got your way, it would mean one less opinion and one less person to debate against, making this website no longer useful or interesting.
As fierce as debates get, as long as it sticks to the internet and everyone is allowed free speech, it only adds to the fun.
No one should be banned for their opinions, no matter how silly they seem to be.
He's already been bitchslapped with logic all around CD. Srom if u see this knock this god BS off or I'll slap ya right in your penis. Mr.Herbert voice
Grow up, Srom. Take an insult like a man. Just insult him back. Call him an arrogant atheist or just a motherfucker who wouldn't have the balls to hit you in real life.
But whatever. It's up to you how you respond to people and their words throughout life. Ignore, retort or learn.
I am growing up everyday just like you are. I do take insults, do you know how many times I got insults from you or everyone else on here? Its fine if they insult me I don't really care but I won't insult them back.
It's irritating because you're ACTING stupid. I know you're not completely, but here you are acting like you don't know what other definitions of a word is.
You're not helping the "bullying" by acting stupid Srom.
No I wasn't acting stupid! I was just responded and said the correct definition how is that acting stupid? I was just being casual and responding to him using the correct definition.
Its fine if people bully me. Someone will deal with them if they do try to bully me. And again I wasn't acting stupid. I was responding in a causal manor.
And I looked up the definition of b and the first definition was a female dog and that is what I was referring to him.
I said you were petty to point that out like a 3rd grade smart ass. Not that you were wrong. Also I watched some stuff on Evan Craig on YouTube including a debate between him and Prof. Erhman (look that up) and he never gave any archeological evidence for anything important or really hard to believe. And in the debate between him and Prof. Erhman, he gives no evidence for anything archeological or otherwise, and doesn't even respond to prof. Erhmans questions. Also he starts with "I believe". Right away that's a red flag. If this guy had any convincing evidence he would use it clearly right away. He does not.
This is what has been proven about the bible: a couple people actually existed (Jesus included), the places in the bible existed, and a few minor events POSSIBLY happened. Now if these things are true does that mean the whole bible is true? Of course not! Just cuz Jerusalem exists that means the world was flooded by god? Just cuz a man named Jesus existed he was everything they say he was and performed impossible things? No! There's ZERO evidence for the bulk of it. The only evidence that exists is for the underlying settings or people these fabricated stories were based on. In fact, archeological study shows the world couldn't possibly have flooded due to countless reasons.
There were historians living during Jesus's time. If he was so widely known and so important, why is he now noted in any of these historians writings? No miracles, no resurrection, nothing. But all this in depth knowledge of Jesus were supposed to take as truth from some anonymous guy? And even look at the old testament, how could anybody know how god created the universe? Or the story of Adam and eve? Nobody could ever have observed these things!
Basically the bulk of what I'm saying is even if you can prove historically that some things happened and some people existed (and so far that's extremely few) that doesn't make the bibles claims about magic sky daddies and miracles true or even reasonable.
What most evidence proposes is that a man existed (whether his name is Jesus or not is unknown) and was a teacher of morals who had followers. He was executed by the Romans for this reason. That's it. People have taken this and exaggerated it. For example, a 16th century newspaper showed a story of a farmer who killed a snake in his field. In reality and the story the snake was like 2 ft long max. But the front page photo showed a 8+ft long beast with huge fangs breathing fire. People make stuff up. Human imagination blows things up naturally and invents fake but exciting things. This is likely what happened with Jesus. Seeing as the authors of the gospels never met Jesus in their lives. The gospels were written 6 decades after his supposed death. The authors couldntve possibly known him! And why wait so long to write about him if he's so important? If it were true we'd see tons of texts from historians or average people giving their own accounts on what they witnessed. Instead we have stories from people learning about him by word of mouth decades later. It doesnt add up. This decades gap is only bridged by the letters from Paul that are poorly preserved an roughly translated. Reguardless, Paul, whom more likely met or witnessed Jesus than the gospel authors only talks about his moral teachings and crucifixion. That's it. No miracles, no resurrection. Speaking of moral teachings, the ones included in the bible are not the only gospels that were written. Take for example, the gospel of timothy. In this one as well as the others not included in the bible, they show Jesus as more of a man and teacher than a god and have far less bold statements like the miracles and rising to heaven on a cloud. It is because of this that the catholic church chose not to include them when they made the bible. It is likely that these gospels are more accurate than the bible's.
Also, one can look as what the bible has plagiarized from texts before it. Mithra, Dionysus, Horus, 3 of about a dozen god's that share traits with Jesus such as: the birthday of december 25, a virgin mother, children of larger god's, performing miracles such as water to wine, walking on water, and healing the blind, having 12 diciples, being called names like "the truth", "the light", "the savior". These god's share all these things with jesus (not all 3 have all of them but they do have most, Horus does in fact share all traits with Jesus). And they ALL died, and rose on the third day. This is clear plagiarism from religions presaging Christianity. Satan comes from the earliest pagan forms of satanism which many historians believe was one of humanities first real religions. In sanskrit Satan means truth but in Hebrew it means enemy, Hebrew came after Sanskrit, it's not just a coincidental mis translation. It wad clearly altered to fit the religion. Also look at the holidays. Easter, why the eggs and rabbits? They're pagan symbols for fertility. During spring early pagans would celebrate the rebirth of the land after the dead of winter. Death. Rebirth. Sounds familiar doesn't it? And it just happens to be exactly when jesus dies and is reborn. Christmas, clearly the celebration of the winter solstice. Also any word ending in mass- is based in pagan roots. There's tons more things, even stories in the bible that were taken from old religions and slightly altered, I just can't remember em but look it up. It's out there. Here's where I got most of this:
Erhman did a good job of arguing it in the 1st part of the videos on the debate between him and Craig. The bible is unreliable in many ways and that being said should not be taken as sufficient evidence of any kind for anything Christianity says. Erhman also said before starting that the audience must keep an open mind during the debate. I suggest you do the same. Open your eyes to the evidence. The scale has been tipped so far to our side by our metric to s of evidence that it's fallen over.
All of what I've just said is things I've read in my history of research on the bible and Christianity from sources I do not remember. However search the Internet for it and you'll find it, it's pretty common knowledge.
Oh how sad it must be to go to such effort writing such beautiful arguments, only be to completely ignored or discarded by Christians.
They are too close minded to read the entire thing twice and think about it, then intelligently respond to it. (Do it Christians)
If a Christian wishes to prove me wrong and read it twice, then actually tell Ave Satanas why he is wrong, rather than attacking his character or points around his argument, but never actually touch the logic or evidence, then that would be marvelous.
But most Christians don't really care much for evidence or logic, or so they've said.
The truth is just too hard to understand, so "god did it" is adequate for most people.
That is exactly what I said about Axemeister. That's what he does, often very well I'll give him that. It's a pity, I wrote Srom a fucking novel and I guarantee he will pick and choose stupid things like "you spelled evidence wrong" or petty BS like that, make excuses for everything, and ignore what he cannot.
Thanks for directing us all to one of the most bullshit debates on the internet. It was buried so far in CD, there's almost no chance I would have found it on my own, and I needed a good laugh.
Anytime you need a good laugh, let me know. I always manage to find some sucker that actually believes I'm serious and attempts to prove where I went wrong.
Well, I'm leaving the site today and I probably won't be back for a long time for various reasons. If anyone cares (probably no one does), they can message me or reply to this with any final goodbyes or whatever. But see you everyone! Its been real.
Well, I'm leaving the site today and I probably won't be back for a long time for various reasons. If anyone cares (probably no one does), they can message me or reply to this with any final goodbyes or whatever. But see you everyone! Its been real.
Just stop all these accusations about all this crap. He's joined this group only to have a platform for interactive media. At least his crap sometimes proves reasonable to me (cos i have no life:))Besides, its his decision whether he wants to do what he wants. Don't tell me that he is restricted?
I recall one of my most shameful schoolboy memories: there was this REALLY fucking annoying girl, probably mildly retarded (at least very slow, developmentally-speaking), who wouldn't leave me and my friends alone in class. So I took out a piece of paper, handed it around to everybody who sat at our table (it was a tech class), and brought it to the teacher, filled with signatures to have this girl removed from our table. I felt bad immediately afterwards, but in the end we got the rest of the semester without her.
Sounds almost like a happy ending, but in the end it became a mark of shame; I couldn't look that teacher in the eye again for the rest of my high school years, and realization fully hit home when another teacher recalled a similar incident in one of her classes many years earlier, saying that it was the one time she had truly ever become angry (and verbally abusive) at a student.
Srom might have dumb religious beliefs, many not even grounded in his religion, but that isn't reason enough to have him removes from this site.
Kick someone off because you hate them? Now that's just unamerican.
Srom is kind of a dick, but whatever. He's good decoration. In my opinion. Oh god you lot have no idea how much fun I have reading through these debates.