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Planned Parenthood

Vice President Pence gives final vote that stops federal funding to Planned Parenthood. 
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3 points

I'm honestly glad that they are stopping this because it's a step in the right direction.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Since when is taking away funding for poor women to get healthcare the right direction?

Journeymen(6) Disputed
1 point

The primary outlook of Planned Parenthood is not to support the availability of healthcare for women, regardless of their income. Planned Parenthood's central objective is often preying on less-fortunate and less-economically stable environments in order to make a profit through an increased availability of abortions. According to the Planned Parenthood official website, "80 percent of [their] patients receive services to prevent unintended pregnancy". The website also states that Planned Parenthood receives an approximation of five million individuals on a yearly basis. This would mean Planned Parenthood treated four million individuals, or 80% of their annual patients, with services related to the prevention of unintended pregnancy. That is a large amount for a company devoted to "funding poor women to get healthcare".

Switching to a business related perspective, one can easily see the more profitable a company is, the more powerful they become; and the more powerful a company becomes, the more influence they can exert over the general public. Most companies, once they reach the pinnacle of their field, often become greedy, in the sense of desiring to weed out any competition they deem viable and dangerous. Currently, the competition of Planned Parenthood is not necessarily a company, but a community: the pro-life community. One method Planned Parenthood has come to adopt is the publication of misleading information in order to give supporters what they want to hear and reduce backfire from the pro-life community. For instance, according to statistics publicly published in 2013, Planned Parenthood claimed that abortions made up merely 3% of services conducted at clinics. The National Review states that "by Planned Parenthood’s math, a woman who gets an abortion but also a pregnancy test, an STD test, and some contraceptives has received four services, and only 25 percent of them are abortion. This is a little like performing an abortion and giving a woman an aspirin, and saying only half of what you do is abortion.

In essence, the objective of Planned Parenthood is twisted in order to make a profit and confuse the public. They're objective is not the guarantee of ailing poor health in individuals in economically stable and unstable environments, but to remain at the top of their field. They may provide basic healthcare to individuals in need, but they're focused more on material wealth rather than one's health.

daver(1771) Clarified
1 point

Ever hear if a bitch named Margret Sanger

That's all you need to know about PP.

1 point

Although I am pro choice I do support defunding planned parenthood. My reason for this is that I don not believe that government funds should go to any multinational organization. And before anyone ask, yes that does include the Red Cross.

AlofRI(2734) Clarified
1 point

Anywhere government funds can go that saves American lives is okay with ME. THAT is the main (or should be), responsibility of our government.

See my conversation with Nowasaint, below.

Fucking retarded. 97% of what they do is not abortions, its really important womens health screenings and the like. And even then theres the Hyde Amendment which dictates that ZERO federal funds can to toward abortion.

Congrats Mr. Pence you defunded pap smears and breast cancer screenings. You bloated sack of theocratic shit.

Amarel(4959) Disputed
1 point

The 3% abortion stat has been pretty thoroughly debunked by various news outlets who quote PP's own data. By weighting all services equally, no matter how short and simple, they come up with the 3% number. But by dividing the number of abortions performed by the number of patients treated, we find that 1 out of every 8 who go to PP have an abortion. That's still only 12.5% of their services. Or about 324,000 abortions in 2015.

If you're upset about defunding the largest abortion provider in the country, that's fine. But make sure the stats are accurate.

0 points

Last I knew, we were 174th out of 193 countries in "infant death after live birth". Mr. Pence has just added to our embarrassment. He , and of course all those who voted to increase the death rate of infants (and some of their mothers), will be to blame. The blind have led the blind into stupidity. Next they'll overturn Roe v Wade and the daughters will again be found dead in alleys. Will the right EVER learn. Be proud, if you can.

Journeymen(6) Disputed
1 point

I do not understand your claim on how the defunding of Planned Parenthood will lead to an increase in infant and maternal morality. According to sources provided by the New York Times, The Washington Post, and the Center for Disease Control, maternal morality rates have increased over the past few years. Defunding of Planned Parenthood, therefore, will have no effect on rising maternal and infantile morality rates as Planned Parenthood has been around since its start-up in 1916.

AlofRI(2734) Clarified
1 point

It shouldn't be hard to understand. The Christian right has managed to close down over 170 Planned Parenthood locations all over the country. Add that to the intimidation of those that try to use the ones still operating and you have your simple answer! Many can't even get TO those still operating because they are to far away. The reason they go there is that they can't afford to go to a doctor or hospital, if they can't afford that, they likely can't afford a car that can get them there. (Or maybe they are too young to drive!) I have to think you meant mortality rates not "morality rates". If you did, there's no question who those rising rates are on .... those who take away the chances to get the life saving care that the poor cannot afford!