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The primary outlook of Planned Parenthood is not to support the availability of healthcare for women, regardless of their income. Planned Parenthood's central objective is often preying on less-fortunate and less-economically stable environments in order to make a profit through an increased availability of abortions. According to the Planned Parenthood official website, "80 percent of [their] patients receive services to prevent unintended pregnancy". The website also states that Planned Parenthood receives an approximation of five million individuals on a yearly basis. This would mean Planned Parenthood treated four million individuals, or 80% of their annual patients, with services related to the prevention of unintended pregnancy. That is a large amount for a company devoted to "funding poor women to get healthcare".
Switching to a business related perspective, one can easily see the more profitable a company is, the more powerful they become; and the more powerful a company becomes, the more influence they can exert over the general public. Most companies, once they reach the pinnacle of their field, often become greedy, in the sense of desiring to weed out any competition they deem viable and dangerous. Currently, the competition of Planned Parenthood is not necessarily a company, but a community: the pro-life community. One method Planned Parenthood has come to adopt is the publication of misleading information in order to give supporters what they want to hear and reduce backfire from the pro-life community. For instance, according to statistics publicly published in 2013, Planned Parenthood claimed that abortions made up merely 3% of services conducted at clinics. The National Review states that "by Planned Parenthood’s math, a woman who gets an abortion but also a pregnancy test, an STD test, and some contraceptives has received four services, and only 25 percent of them are abortion. This is a little like performing an abortion and giving a woman an aspirin, and saying only half of what you do is abortion.
In essence, the objective of Planned Parenthood is twisted in order to make a profit and confuse the public. They're objective is not the guarantee of ailing poor health in individuals in economically stable and unstable environments, but to remain at the top of their field. They may provide basic healthcare to individuals in need, but they're focused more on material wealth rather than one's health.
The primary use of the money the government gives Planned Parenthood is to fund healthcare for women. All of the profits that Planned Parenthood takes in will still happen and less healthcare well be provided to poor women. That is not a step in the right direction.
The National Review states that "by Planned Parenthood’s math, a woman who gets an abortion but also a pregnancy test, an STD test, and some contraceptives has received four services, and only 25 percent of them are abortion. This is a little like performing an abortion and giving a woman an aspirin, and saying only half of what you do is abortion.
I think you need to find a real news source. They think aspirin is used for birth control, STD testing, and a pregnancy test.
Cmon Cartman. Not only is the source valid, but what they are saying in this particular case is accurate. Ignoring valid information from the opposition as "fake news" is one of the big reasons this country is where it is today.
The source says getting an abortion with a pregnancy test, STD screening, and birth control is the same as getting an abortion and aspirin. They can't even be trusted to write an analogy. How can they be trusted to report news?
The analogy works because they are describing how planned parenthood runs their own numbers, with each small service as a separate service and not weighted accordingly.
The analogy doesn't work anywhere near as good as the simple analysis you provided. If it was a good news source they would have provided the analysis you just provided instead of a bad analogy.
I think you misunderstood the point and the source. The source does NOT state that aspirin is used for birth control, STD testing, etc.. The article states that Planned Parenthood is not considering each individual service as it's own (STD testing as one service, while birth control as another), they are considering them to be parts to a whole (therefore, STD testing as 50% and birth control as the other 50% of one service total). In reality, Planned Parenthood is using this strategy to dilute their statistics and therefore mislead the public with the wrong information.
According to the official Planned Parenthood website, they are not funded directly by the government, but by the Federal-State health insurance program which works towards providing health insurance for "low-income and needy people", commonly known as Medicaid. They are two separate corporations with two separate objectives. While Planned Parenthood may be one of out multiple corporations to offer Medicaid services, they are not the only ones. Therefore, defunding of Planned Parenthood will not strip away Medicaid from public usage.
I very much understand the point of your source. Let's try not to get it twisted. The whole point of the source was to discredit Planned Parenthood, not to be honest. The article you quoted equated aspirin to birth control. Did it actually provide the numbers Planned Parenthood gave and explain what's wrong, or did they just tell you to believe that they analyzed the numbers correctly? You know there are sources that do that that would make much more sense to quote, right?
While Planned Parenthood may be one of out multiple corporations to offer Medicaid services, they are not the only ones. Therefore, defunding of Planned Parenthood will not strip away Medicaid from public usage.
You aren't celebrating moving money from one corporation to another. You are celebrating taking money away from a corporation. That's not a step in the right direction. Moving the same amount of money from one corporation to another is not a step in the right direction. If it was a step in the right direction we would be talking about how much better the money will be spent.
She provided stupid reasons for what she did. But, the pro life crowd uses stupid reasoning too. Maybe we should look at what they do instead of what they say.
Stupid or not she was an avowed eugenicist. Abortion was her weapon of choice? Purification was her aim.
Note that today the overwhelming majority of PP clients can be described her own words:
"On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people".
"On the purpose of birth control:
The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)"
"On the extermination of blacks:
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon"
Although I am pro choice I do support defunding planned parenthood. My reason for this is that I don not believe that government funds should go to any multinational organization. And before anyone ask, yes that does include the Red Cross.
Fucking retarded. 97% of what they do is not abortions, its really important womens health screenings and the like. And even then theres the Hyde Amendment which dictates that ZERO federal funds can to toward abortion.
Congrats Mr. Pence you defunded pap smears and breast cancer screenings. You bloated sack of theocratic shit.
The 3% abortion stat has been pretty thoroughly debunked by various news outlets who quote PP's own data. By weighting all services equally, no matter how short and simple, they come up with the 3% number. But by dividing the number of abortions performed by the number of patients treated, we find that 1 out of every 8 who go to PP have an abortion. That's still only 12.5% of their services. Or about 324,000 abortions in 2015.
If you're upset about defunding the largest abortion provider in the country, that's fine. But make sure the stats are accurate.
Last I knew, we were 174th out of 193 countries in "infant death after live birth". Mr. Pence has just added to our embarrassment. He , and of course all those who voted to increase the death rate of infants (and some of their mothers), will be to blame. The blind have led the blind into stupidity. Next they'll overturn Roe v Wade and the daughters will again be found dead in alleys. Will the right EVER learn. Be proud, if you can.
I do not understand your claim on how the defunding of Planned Parenthood will lead to an increase in infant and maternal morality. According to sources provided by the New York Times, The Washington Post, and the Center for Disease Control, maternal morality rates have increased over the past few years. Defunding of Planned Parenthood, therefore, will have no effect on rising maternal and infantile morality rates as Planned Parenthood has been around since its start-up in 1916.
It shouldn't be hard to understand. The Christian right has managed to close down over 170 Planned Parenthood locations all over the country. Add that to the intimidation of those that try to use the ones still operating and you have your simple answer! Many can't even get TO those still operating because they are to far away. The reason they go there is that they can't afford to go to a doctor or hospital, if they can't afford that, they likely can't afford a car that can get them there. (Or maybe they are too young to drive!) I have to think you meant mortality rates not "morality rates". If you did, there's no question who those rising rates are on .... those who take away the chances to get the life saving care that the poor cannot afford!