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Good job. Mr. Pres. Liberal response.
Debate Score:41
Arguments:35
Total Votes:43
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President Trump's move to make Jerusalem cpital of Israel.

I think President Trump make a good move for Jerusalem, which belongs to the Jews in God's eyes, anyway.

Good job. Mr. Pres.

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Liberal response.

Side Score: 21
2 points

Recognizing and acknowledging this reality must be applauded.

The Jewish people took this third world cesspit of a country and turned it into a modern, wealthy and self reliant state.

The state of Israel is a reflection of the strong character, innovation and work ethic of the Jewish people who turned this barren land into a thriving sovereign nation despite being surrounded by vicious enemies who are dedicated to its overthrow.

Time and again the better equipped and numerically superior forces of the Middle Eastern Arab nations attempted to overrun Israel but were repelled by the skill, courage and determination of the Israelis defenders.

Side: Good job. Mr. Pres.
1 point

You're a xenophobic biased preacher of bullshit.

Side: Liberal response.
Antrim(1070) Clarified
1 point

Well doggone it, you mean you don't agree with me?

Well, I gave your well presented and powerfully persuasive counter argument my full and serious consideration but alas you just failed to convert me over to your standpoint ( whatever it was ) on this contentious issue.

However, your potent and compelling argument techniques must be commended.

Side: Good job. Mr. Pres.
2 points

You have liberals screaming and crying that the white man stole the Indians land because they were here first, well the land in dispute was in Jewish possession 3000 years ago, proven through archaeological evidence. Now liberals are crying that the land doesn't belong to the Jews, even though they were their first. No other group today can date back that far and claim the land. It is the Jews land. Liberals need to get over it. The Palestinians have no desire for peace, they want Israel destroyed, so this may make them negotiate in good faith. If not, let Israel keep taking more land and drive them out of the region completely.

Side: Good job. Mr. Pres.
2 points

well the land in dispute was in Jewish possession 3000 years ago

Oh, OK. And America was in the possession of indigenous natives 3,000 years ago. So how about you gtfo and let them bulldoze your homes, you ditzy clown?

Side: Liberal response.
qcsampling(18) Disputed
2 points

America wasn't in the possession of the native Americans 3000 years ago. But here is a bit of 411 for you, the native Americans may well be Israeli descent. There are many similarities between the Indians and their style of living and the style of living of the Israeli's before the nation was divided, archaeological evidence has revealed this profound fact.

Side: Good job. Mr. Pres.

Jerusalem was already the capital, he just decided to show his hatred for Islam by sucking up to a country that has tyrannically ruled Palestine for far too long.

Israel has no right to Palestine.

Side: Liberal response.
Sitar(3683) Disputed
1 point

Like most liberals, you confuse Biblical standards with hate. I am a centrist, but I respect this move. Jerusalem was not the capital of Israel, Tel Aviv was. Jerusalem belongs to Jews, end of story.

Side: Good job. Mr. Pres.
1 point

No, the US embassy was in Tel Aviv out of respect that it was disputed if Jerusalem is considered Israel's capital or Palestine's.

Trump decided to move the embassy to signify he sees it was Israel's capital only. This is nothing more than a cheap shot at Muslims.

Side: Liberal response.
Amarel(2534) Disputed
1 point

Former head of the PLO Zuheir Mohsen- “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity.”

And- “the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”

There was never a people known as “Palestinians” until well after the a people known as “Jews” re-acquired land that they once had long ago. Before them, the Brits had it. Before the Brits, the Ottomans, so one and so forth back to BCE. The people of Israel have as much right to their land as does the Lebanese, the Kuwaitis, or anyone else within the carved up borders of the former Ottoman Empire. Who says we should give Baghdad back to the Turks? No one.

As for Trumps move, he merely decided to execute the will of the US Congress. As the head of the Executive branch, that’s a big part of his job.

Side: Good job. Mr. Pres.
1 point

Zuheir Mohsen is saying that Israel is unfairly taking land from Arabs just because their book says it. When ISIS takes land because their book says it, we say they are wrong. So why is it right when Israel forcibly takes land from Islamic people be they Palestinian or just plain Arab?

Side: Liberal response.
1 point

It already was the capital, so it's basically calling a spade a spade. It simply shows a complete lack of international political finesse and a misunderstanding of the issues to decide to come out and make such a controversial statement.

I wonder now if Israel will declare Mar-a-Lago the new US capital?

Side: Liberal response.
1 point

The issue is that Palestine sees Jerusalem as their capital, Israel owns Palestine against their will.

So the former US presidents decided to have the embassy for the nations in Tel Aviv as this was a city that both Palestine and Israel felt little conflict over being theirs (both agreed Tel Aviv was rightfully Israel's land and since the embassy is officially for Israel this avoided conflict).

What Trump has done is declared outright that Jerusalem is Israel's capital, not Palestine's, by this act. It's not at all about righting a wrong, it's about stirring the pot in Islamic nations to hate him even more.

Side: Liberal response.
1 point

Just what the world needed, more chaos in the middle east.

Trump is either out of his mind, completely evil or both.

Side: Liberal response.
qcsampling(18) Disputed
1 point

Why do you say Trump is out of his mind? Chaos has always been in the middle east, you can't say there is more chaos because the is no way to measure whether it is more chaos or less chaos than before. Trump has done what many other Presidents before him have "said" but failed to "do". Other presidents used the Jewish people and their situation to win the hearts of people for the purposes for winning an election but when it came time to fulfil their word they completely disregarded and never even bothered to try and make good on their statements. Trump is one of the last reasons America has not fallen into total destruction yet. Trump is in many ways the grace of God for the nation of America. When Trump has had his run, America will fall. The economic crises, the unemployment situation, the bubbles which are all over the country, the nation is on its last legs.

Side: Good job. Mr. Pres.
Sitar(3683) Disputed
1 point

I'm not saying I'd vote for the guy, but he deserves some credit for SOME of his policies. I'm a centrist, so I see value in both parties.

Side: Good job. Mr. Pres.
1 point

Trump doesn't care about Israel . The only side he is on is the one that is making America great again. I'm ready to bet that Trump doesn't even know the history of Jerusalem.

The only reason he did this was to strengthen our hold on all the nuclear power Israel possesses. Its ideal placement next to Middle East will allow us to make oil "negotiations" more convincing.

We could have sucked up to Israel without rubbing our bony American ass in Jerusalem. There are so many problems ( including our own ) in this world and we chose to fart on an already blazing fire.

His act was a true fart. USELESS. Even if I am wrong about the true intentions behind this action, the Palestine / Israel problem causes violence and hate in the heart of brothers. This is what we do! We open our big mouth in the name justice and democracy and freedom and other American bullcrap without even thinking of the consequences that matter. Children, innocent women and men who just want to live their lives peacefully are further pulled away from a peaceful solution because of us. Of course we don't care! Americans will not be the ones touched by fear in the end. I find it disgusting and embarrassing because do you know who will suffer the most in the end ??? Israel and Palestine. America's actions will have minor consequences on Americans ( except maybe lowering our oil prices and allow us to continue selling weapons to Israel).

Side: Liberal response.
1 point

Hello S:

The ONLY problem I have with this give away, is it was a GIVE-AWAY.. There WERE things to be had IF Trump used it as a bargaining chip.. But, he GAVE IT AWAY!!! I thought Trump was a better negotiator than that.. No, huh?

excon

Side: Liberal response.