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Debate Score:38
Arguments:35
Total Votes:40
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Prisoners should be used in medical experiments, instead of animals.

Yes

Side Score: 17
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No

Side Score: 21
2 points

I would agree that yes, we should use prisoners instead. Even with the 8th amendment and all, there are limits to rights that humans have and once they pass that point, there really is no going back. Their life, currently, is forfeit if they're on death row. I don't agree with forcing anyone because that, no matter whether it's for humans or animals, is just wrong. However, they have a chance to help out the human race better than animals do. Just look at all the durg recalls we've had in the past 4 months alone and think about how many less we would have had we been testing on humans instead of animals. It's just easier and costs less to use animals...

Side: Yes

I would say the prisoners that are murderers should be used in medical experiments. The ones that killed people for no reason, such as the that man that killed Somer.

Side: Yes
1 point

I would say the prisoners that are murderers should be used in medical experiments.

This is an unjustified assertion.

The ones that killed people for no reason

This is a false statement or, at least, not entirely true. If a person is charged with first degree murder, he or she must be proven, beyond reasonable doubt, by the prosecution to have a motive for the murder. According to the OED, a motive, in legal terms, refers to "The purpose or end which motivates someone to commit an illegal, esp. criminal, act." Thus, it is relatively uncontroversial that some prisoners have reasons for committing crimes.

Side: No
1 point

Better than the Death Penalty...

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Side: Yes
Alibek(31) Disputed
1 point

So why did you chose no side if you think so??????????????????

Side: Yes
kat18(4) Disputed
1 point

This is the yes side..............................................

Side: No

Yes prisoners it means who blamed must be used in medical experiments. Because it will decline the level of crimes and the number of prisoners will be decreased as well!

Side: Yes
0 points

I think it is better to use prisoners in medical experiments instead of animals. First of all, because Human and animals have different organisms. In addition, they respond differently to medications. If it was tested on human, scientists would get better results. The evidence for my argument is experiments of Nazis, which had outstanding improvement in medicine. But their fault was that they used innocent people and they tried to explain that Aryans are superior to other people by those experiments. But innocent people won't be used. It would be prisoners, who committed a crime, especially those who involved in murder. Mostly death row inmates are convenient to using in experiments, because they anyway will be killed.

Side: Yes
rebekahgreen(6) Disputed
1 point

Often, Medical experimentation, especially in the U.S. are very brutal, and in the past prisoners HAVE been used. The issue with this is that there have been no instances where they have been used in actual medical development. Most experiments on prisoners are not recorded or regulated. This shows that humans are incapable of conducting experiments on others without a means of being held accountable in the instance of abuse. Doctors and scientists look down on many groups of people in the U.S. Including minorities and Prisoners. I agree that it's convenient, but history repeats itself and it has shown that our scientists and doctors have no self-control and the attitude that prisoners have no rights, and the doctors cannot be punished in the instance of Nazi- like behavior, it is doubtful that experimentation on prisoners would end well. Think of it this way. If someone you didn't like was stripped of their rights and put in an empty room with you, when you could do ANYTHING to them with 100% protection from any of their actions, you'd say some pretty mean things, maybe even throw a few punches right? Doctors and scientists would do the same.

Side: No
Alibek(31) Disputed
1 point

The facts of abasement don't speak against human experiments, because it depends on those scientists as well as the results of those experiments. Those all experiments were illegal, that's why they did anything they wanted. But I'm not talking about such kind of experiments, cruel and abasing, without recording and regulation. If you are interested how experiments will be held, read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code. As for your last argument, I would like to argue that I wouldn't do anything with them, because it's a childish act to do so.

Side: Yes
kat18(4) Disputed
1 point

Actually they wouldn't. I don't know what your career is, but even doctors and scientists have their limitations... You seem to think every single person on this planet is against prisoners, but they're not. Some people would think it honorable of the prisoners to accept becoming a test subject for medical research, don't you? Most would be neutral because they have to be. To an extent the prisoners' rights are still there and if a researcher were to harm them in any way other than what was required by the testing, there would be some repercussions.

Side: Yes
Ardak1210(76) Disputed
1 point

Yes, you are right, people and animals are absolutely different. You claim that people should be used in medical experiments instead animals. Do you mean that animals are better than people? It doesn't matter people are prisoner or not, anyway, they are alive organisms. It is just kidding on people. Do you know that sometimes as you said innocent people may be in prison. In this situation, usual people like we and innocent prisoners are equal. That's why I think nobody should be used in medical experiments. By claiming that people should not be used in experiments, I also don't argue that animals should be used. Since I am against to it in general. Do you remember that I told about interview with one prisoner who was used in medical experiments last week. The newspaper "New York Times" especially published his interview to show people how it is horrible. This man is very old and he suffered from experiments so much that now he is an invalid. He also has so many deviations. He claims that this experiments destroyed his whole life. Moreover, according to National Association of Public Health, they are against to holding medical experiments on people and they even wrote the report about it. Lawrence O.Gostin, a professor of law and public health at Georgetown University also works to stop these experiments and he said that he will do everything in his power to change it.

I want to say that the society become against to it and different organizations keep many works to stop it. I also hope that medical experiments on people and animals will be stopped.

Side: No
Alibek(31) Disputed
1 point

Do you mean that animals are better than people?

I didn't say that they are better. I said that we are different, and we have different organisms. That's why results of experiments on people and animal are different.

It is just kidding on people.

You are so sorry for prisoners. Do you think they feel sorry for others?

Do you know that sometimes as you said innocent people may be in prison.

But innocent people can't go to prison again or get a life sentence or death penalty.

I also hope that medical experiments on people and animals will be stopped.

Then what to do with medicine if it will not be improved?

Side: Yes
2 points

I respect the rights of human prisoners more than I do animals. I don't agree with either, but animal testing is the lesser of two evils.

During the world wars, and after, there has been proof of forced human testing around the world, from all sides, which has been almost completely vilified, and for good reason. It goes against all idea of liberty, and all ideals of almost any socioeconomic system. Hardly a good thing.

Side: No
Alibek(31) Disputed
1 point

But those experiments on human during the wars, especially in Nazi Germany showed improvement in medicine. What the idea of liberty you are talking about when those prisoners have almost no rights.

Side: Yes
ChuckHades(3197) Disputed
2 points

Why do prisoners have no rights?

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Side: No
BenWalters(1513) Disputed
1 point

Personally, I don't support a lot of what went on in Nazi Germany.

Just because they don't right now doesn't mean it's right. I think that just because you've been imprisoned does not give a state the right to take away large numbers of your human rights.

Side: No
kat18(4) Disputed
1 point

How is animal testing the lesser of the two evils? At least humans have a say in what goes on and can tell someone when to stop.

Side: Yes
BenWalters(1513) Disputed
1 point

The description talked about prisoners, not humans who submit to the experiments.

Side: No
1 point

That would be unconstitutional .

Side: No
Alibek(31) Disputed
1 point

But it would be constitutional if everyone accept it and make legal.

Side: Yes
rebekahgreen(6) Disputed
1 point

It couldn't. Every person, regardless of their social status, has the right to life. always.

Side: No
1 point

We could just deport them to the colonies and force them to work.

Oh wait, the US doesn't have any colonies! XD

Side: No

A human has his rights no matter what, you are over punishing the prisoner and that is not justice.

Side: No
1 point

I don’t agree use prisoners for medical experiments instead of animals. I have some reasons why I don’t agree with this:

• Who decides who is acceptable for medical experiment and who is not? They are still humans. We are forcing someone to endure medical procedures against their will.

• 90% of death row inmates come from poverty. They can't afford lawyers.

• If they come from poverty they probably haven't had very good medical care. Medical testing should be done on a wide range of people to get the most accurate results. Also their care in prison would not be equal to the care.

• Another fact that over half of all inmates currently incarcerated are drug addicted. Years of drug addiction and abuse of the body will cause different results on those people than the average non-drug user.

• Also it is expensive and sometimes much sought after. Should we really offer death row inmates the newest latest cancer innovations, when there are non-criminals out there who are dying for it? This type of testing is expensive and requires close monitoring.

If we do then we are becoming inhuman just as the people we are trying to execute.

Side: No
1 point

Not instead of animals, for animals should be used for preliminary testing to ensure safety of product being tested, but I'm not opposed to them being used in addition to animals, were they to opt into such a field. Perhaps in exchange for a lighter sentence?

Side: No
1 point

I dont get how its not ok when someone hurts a animal but the government lets these places do experiments on animals . That's not ok. It's the same damn thing. Needs to be stopped. They feel the same as we do. You cant use prisoners for experiments because some are innocent. But think about it. Like people who do nasty shit to their children and kill them . yes use them. Use those parents for experiments, then maybe other bad parents will get scared they will be used for experiments and then less people will hurt their children. Shits so crazy. Just think about this. A person murders then gets death penalty. Someone else kills them. Doesnt it mean they just murdered someone too. They will aso go to hell. Even though the jury made a desicion does that make them have the right. The one person kinda is doing the same thing.

Side: No

Prisoners nor animals should not be used in medical experiments. It would be a cruel practice.

Side: No