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Pro-Life Pro-Choice
Debate Score:333
Arguments:229
Total Votes:397
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Pro-life vs. Pro-choice

What are your views on abortion?

Are you pro-life, if so, are there any exceptions or are you 100% pro-life?

Are you pro-choice, if so, are there any exceptions or are you 100% pro-choice?

Pro-Life

Side Score: 152
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Pro-Choice

Side Score: 181
6 points

This is a very emotive topic for me. I have had some quite serious issues due to my mother aborting what would have been my sibling when I was a child. She aborted after previously telling me I was going to have a brother or sister. She told me that it was nothing more than a 'piece of meat' and getting rid of it wasn't a big deal. I was 7 years old and blamed myself for years for not telling her to keep it. For depriving myself of a little brother. I used to dream of him all the time.

So for me my feeling is I don't want feotuses to be aborted. However I realise I'm not capable of formulating my own rational opinion on this so I'll limit myself to supporting and disputing the logic of others.

Side: Pro-Life

Even though that was a subjective argument, it still added a great deal of insight, and while i am sure it is a painful memory, i appreciate your sharing of it.

Side: Pro-Life
3 points

That Hella sucks. Straight from the heart, I am sorry that you went through that. I wish I could make everything right for you.

Side: Pro-Life
lupusFati(790) Clarified
3 points

But you're pro-choice, so you can't make it right. So don't pretend you care.

Side: Pro-Life
5 points

I believe abortion should not be used as birth-control. For this opinion, many consider my views "pro-life".

People often speak about how it's the woman's right, but what about the child's rights?

Side: Pro-Life
Cuaroc(8826) Disputed
3 points

We are talking about fetuses not children.

Side: Pro-Choice
kozlov(1753) Disputed
6 points

Some laws in different countries do not differentiate between a fetus and a child.

Side: Pro-Life
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
4 points

FYI

CHILD:

: an unborn or recently born person

http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/child

Side: Pro-Life
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
4 points

"the term “unborn child” means a child in utero, and the term “child in utero” or “child, who is in utero” means a member of the species homo sapiens, at ANY stage of development, who is carried in the womb."

Supporting Evidence: U.S. Code - Unborn Victims of Violence Act (www.law.cornell.edu)
Side: Pro-Life
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
2 points

I see the pro-abortion attention whore is still tired of being ignored.

Side: Pro-Life
CoamNhomsky(111) Disputed
3 points

Rights? Whats with all these rights? Rights are just SAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaavage! The individual should have no rights and no choice!

Cheers ;)

Side: Pro-Choice
kozlov(1753) Disputed
4 points

Coam, You are just the person I needed to see today! GD said you were an idiot! Tell him he's Saaaaaaaaaaavaaaaaaaageeeeee!

Side: Pro-Life
shoutoutloud(4182) Clarified
2 points

What about the child's rights?

The fetus isn't considered a child before 12th week.

Side: Pro-Life
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
3 points

You are simply WRONG.

CHILD:

: an unborn or recently born person

Supporting Evidence: Webster's Medical Dictionary (www.merriam-webster.com)
Side: Pro-Choice
nomeansno(49) Disputed
3 points

No human has the right to using another person's body against their will. The same can be said about a fetus after 12 weeks of pregnancy. If it is in the woman, and she does not want it to grow in her, she has a RIGHT to have it taken out. It is her body.

Not murder, just removal. If God wants the child to survive, he'll find a way regardless of the fetus's removal.

Side: Pro-Choice
Banana_Slug(845) Disputed
3 points

No it's not and that is the point, but the woman is and she has her rights...

Side: Pro-Choice
kozlov(1753) Clarified
2 points

In the US a child isn't considered a child before the 12th week, that changes depending on where you are. In Ceaușescu's Romania, as soon as the sperm and egg met, the organism was considered a child. In lieu of this, I fail to see you point...

Side: Pro-Life
Sitara(11088) Disputed
2 points

Women have the right to choose. End of story. .

Side: Pro-Choice
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
2 points

Abortions are molestations and murders...

End of story.

Side: Pro-Life
5 points

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html

While rape is a common argument against pro-life supporters, this is the reason for a grand total of one percent of abortions (and that's the highest out of the surveys). I am not 100% pro life but only due to the small amount of rape being the actual cause of abortion. All other cases involve an instance where the mother values her life over the potential life.

Side: Pro-Life
zephyr20x6(2386) Disputed
3 points

Why are you pro-life? Why are you against abortion?

Side: Pro-Choice
trumpet_guy(502) Clarified
3 points

As we have spoken before it is obvious that I'm a Christian. While this does not dictate my decision on abortion, it does influence it. The only justifiable reason I can think of for an abortion is rape, which makes up at most 1% of the reasons for abortions. Outside of rape the mother values her life over a potential life. Since I am pro-life for all cases outside of rape I am 99% pro-life. 99% vs. 1%----99% wins

Side: Pro-Life
2 points

I don't like the labels 'pro-choice and pro-life.' I am anti-abortion and I wish that more people would try to appreciate the differences.

Side: Pro-Life
2 points

What are your views on abortion?

I have many views on abortion. I'm guessing that you are asking if I think it should be banned. My answer to that is yes - with possible exceptions for rape and for situations where doctors deem one as necessary to save the mother's life and both lives can not be saved.

Are you pro-life, if so, are there any exceptions or are you 100% pro-life?

1. No. I do not consider myself to be pro-life in any respect other than the fact that I oppose abortions on demand. (That's one definition for pro-life that does apply to me). I prefer to be seen as anti-abortion because abortions are what I oppose. Even in cases where I can agree that an abortion might be justified... I would rather see every other alternative exhausted before one is allowed.

Pro-lifers tend to oppose War, capital punishment, exceptions for rape and sometimes, they even oppose exceptions for the life of the mother. (How pro-life is that?) I (as an anti-abortionist) can see justifications for taking a life in war, the death penalty and self defense.

That's the biggest difference as I see it. (add to that the religious basis that most pro-lifers argue from)

Are you pro-choice, if so, are there any exceptions or are you 100% pro-choice?

I am just as pro-choice as I am anti-abortion.

Child molesters make choices and while we all expect laws which make that choice punishable? No-one fights to take a child molesters right to make choices away from them.

Abortions are a form of child molestation too.

Side: Pro-Life
Sitara(11088) Disputed
2 points

You are wrong. You are not prochoice if you oppose a woman's right to choose.

Side: Pro-Choice
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
1 point

You are wrong.

Abortions are murders and molestations and it's not the woman's right to make choices that I (or anyone else) is in opposition to.

Children have a right to the equal protections of our laws.

Side: Pro-Life
6 points

If the fetus isn't a feeling and thinking conscious life, then I don't see the problem in aborting it. It can't feel pain emotional or physical, and it has no thoughts about it, this being hasn't came into existence yet, being against abortion before the fetus has obtained consciousness is like being mad because Bob the person with A, B, ..., Y, Z traits hadn't come into existence. Abortion before the fetus has gained consciousness is no more wrong than using a condom, in either case you are preventing the potential existence of a human being, not ending one.

Side: Pro-Choice
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
4 points

My wife was in a coma for 3 weeks following a heart attack and we didn't know if she would ever come out of it.

Your comments are very disturbing.

Side: Pro-Life
2 points

Okay, but that doesn't dispute his point. Or, if it is an attempt to dispute his original point, all you've done is an appeal to emotion. This is not a good basis for an argument.

Side: Pro-Choice
2 points

I agree, in addition to this, I think a woman should have a choice of what grows in her body at all times. For example, if she had a parasite, isn't it reasonable for her to take medication to get rid of it?

I do not think pregnancy is that much different. A fetus shares a lot in common with a parasite.

Side: Pro-Choice
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
1 point

Are you saying that a child in the womb is a parasite?

Side: Pro-Life
JakeBugs(2) Disputed
1 point

A fetus, aside from extreme examples, is not a safety hazard in the way that a parasite is

Side: Pro-Life
4 points

Anyone that thinks a zygote is a person needs to go back to 2nd grade biology class.

Side: Pro-Choice
3 points

When people make the argument that Abortion is the murder of a potential life, then they should try to ban masturbation, since it is the knowing "murder" of potential children. And what if the women is raped? or molested? What if men poked a hole in the condom to force a broken condom?

Side: Pro-Choice
2 points

I like the idea that the person who is already alive should have the choice whether or not they want bring another life into this world that hasn't even had a chance to live yet, that could be troublesome to their life.

Side: Pro-Choice

But now wait a second..., people have the choice to use condoms. If they don't want to bring another life into this world that hasn't even had a chance to live yet, that could be troublesome to their life..., couldn't they just chose to use a condom? Pro-Choice is an oxymoron. They had a choice. They just didn't make the right choice when they decided to have unprotected sex. ;)

Side: Pro-Choice
0 points

That too. I'm a forward thinker. lol. I like to jump to the most dramatic idea I can get and in this case the idea was few days before birth.

Side: Pro-Choice
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
1 point

A child in the womb is also alive... else how would they grow, mature and further develop past that magical point where (after) even YOU can't deny they are alive anymore?

Side: Pro-Life
Quocalimar(6470) Disputed
1 point

The adjective already, meaning Before or by now or the time in question was used.

Side: Pro-Choice
1 point

Basically all the reasons just stated. Pro-choice. A woman should have the rights to her own body. The thing inside of her is a fetus, and not a baby. She should be able to choose to get rid of it in my opinion.

Side: Pro-Choice
Sitara(11088) Clarified
1 point

It is a baby, but mom still has rights. I support the sanctity of choice. .

Side: Pro-Life
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
2 points

Do children not have rights?

Our Constitution says they do... or at least should.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

I believe it is a person's right to choose what grows in their body, or does not grow in their body. Obligation only comes after it is born, not before.

Side: Pro-Choice

Women's body, women's choice, there is nothing to talk about.

Side: Pro-Choice
JakeBugs(2) Disputed
1 point

it is not the woman's body she chooses to destroy, it the life of another growing inside of her.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Pro life supporters certainly seem to care about life a lot more before it gets out of the womb for people who generally argue against universal health care. Also, whether or not to keep a baby is the woman's choice. Not a protesting Texan's choice.

Side: Pro-Choice
1 point

Until it can survive outside of the womb on it's on it is not a baby it is a fetus. It is also a parasite because it relies on the mother for life. Don't like abortions don't get one, but don't take away a woman's right to choose especially if you don't want your rights taken away.

Side: Pro-Choice
pakicetus(1455) Disputed
1 point

So if I stab a pregnant woman in the stomach 1 week before she was gonna give birth, I would just be killing a fetus, right?

Side: Pro-Choice
1 point

I am only against abortions past the 2nd trimester. I do not like using "pro-choice", as it implies that those who disagree with me on abortion are not supportive of choice, namely of women's choice. Moreover, it wrongly describes my ethical and political philosophy.

Side: Pro-Choice

Does a woman have the right to an abortion under the U.S. Constitution? If someone is a strict constructionist who interprets the Constitution word for word, the sanction for abortion is given under the Fourteenth Amendment.

The Fourteenth Amendment of our U.S. Constitution defines a citizen “a citizen” at birth. If a woman is carrying a fetus in the womb, the U.S. Constitution does not designate the fetus as “a citizen.” It would take an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to declare a fetus a citizen. You have to be born in order to be recognized as a citizen. Therefore, a woman does have the right to choose. A fetus inside the womb is not designated as a citizen according to the U.S. Constitution so by default is not entitled to life, liberty, or prosperity. You have to be born in order to be endowed with those privileges. To conclude, neither the Federal government nor any of the States can deny a woman the right to choose.

If abortion is murder, abortion would have been terminated years ago due to the cruel and unusual punishment clause under the Eighth Amendment. Again, proof that a fetus is not recognized as a citizen of the United States of America.

Side: Pro-Choice

Abortion should be entirely up to what the to-be mother is. I feel that if she doesn't have a say if her child is going to die or not would be unjust. Second, rape is mainly the reason why one would want to kill their child. Abortion takes place when the baby is at a developing stage. It has not taken any life form yet, so it should not hurt anyone emotionally.

Side: Pro-Choice
0 points

I support the sanctity of choice. .

Side: Pro-Choice