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Debate Score:53
Arguments:41
Total Votes:66
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Pro wall prove me wrong

Good idea because Mexicans are bringing drugs into the us

Agree

Side Score: 27
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Don’t agree

Side Score: 26

Pro wall prove me wrong

I am pro wall too. However, my main problem with the idea is that, under present plans, Trump intends only to build it across Mexico. My idea is much bolder. I think you should surround the entire country with this wall, so that your insane culture is precluded from leaving its point of origin and the rest of the species is spared interaction with a population of regressive, science-denying idiots who voted to elect a psychopath as leader.

Even better, don't build any gates in the wall, so that your troops are unable to get out and liberate any sovereign UN states.

Side: Agree
Amarel(4987) Clarified
4 points

If we do that, who will fund the UN ?

Side: Agree
2 points

He doesn't think things out that far. No liberals do. It's why liberalism always eats itself. He's in the no spin zone.

Side: Agree
BillOreilly(26) Disputed
1 point

Without America, Europe would have been taken over and burned to the ground long ago.

Side: Don’t agree
1 point

People say open borders is okay but how did it work out for the native Americans?

Side: Agree
0 points

I absolutely love the idea of the wall because my sister was in a near fatal car wreck because of three high illegal immigrants, Molly tibbets was killed by an illegal immigrant, and more than 60 percent of drug trade is from Mexico so call me racist all you want but whoever calls names first, lost.

Side: Agree
jamesbody(281) Disputed
1 point

I absolutely love the idea of the wall because my sister was in a near fatal car wreck because of three high illegal immigrants

Cool story bro. I absolutely hate the idea of a wall because my sister was in a near fatal car wreck because of three corrupt Conservative nitwits who were spared jail because one of their daddies is a senator.

Side: Don’t agree
3 points

The wall fails at everything it sets out to do. Most illegal immigration in the U.S. comes from people overstating their visas. The drugs that comes from the south don't necessarily go through the border, but are brought in in private cargo ships and private airplanes (DEA has actually found "submarines" used for drug trafficking). People that come through the border aren't any more violent than your average American. It doesn't fix the problem of illegal people already in the U.S. It's going to be an incredibly expensive structure that won't pay for itself. The wall is going to cause massive environmental damage. At the end of the day... the money that could be used to build the wall could be used to actually address the issues the wall is supposed to fix.

Side: Don’t agree
marcusmoon(586) Clarified
1 point

So your point is, analogously, that because going to the gym for a half hour a day does not solve ALL my health problems, I should not go the gym and work out.

Side: Agree
JoseAguacate(95) Disputed
4 points

That's not what the point is. The main point is that the wall doesn't solve ANY problem, especially for its cost. It's like trying to eat grass to treat your diabetes. It's pointless and in the end all you'll gain is indigestion.

Side: Agree
2 points

So your point is, analogously, that because going to the gym for a half hour a day does not solve ALL my health problems, I should not go the gym and work out.

So your point is, analogously, that if you develop cancer, you should ignore chemotherapy and/or surgery, and focus all effort on going to the gym.

Side: Agree
Mingiwuwu(1481) Disputed
1 point

Actually, there's more than what she pointed out. You see, the kind of immigrant the wall is banning is the type coming over to work and save their family from poverty.

Side: Agree
Mingiwuwu(1481) Clarified
1 point

Even if your analogy was semi-accurate, it would be more like that she simply has said the advertisement for the gym is listing health benefits that the gym fails to help and working out in ways other than the gym could help.

Side: Agree
Caspion(205) Disputed
1 point

The wall is going to cause massive environmental damage

Someone with a brain please explain what the hell this means and why I should care.

Side: Agree
0 points

Absolutely beautiful decimation of Republican BS; I fucking loved this post.

Side: Don’t agree
1 point

The fact is, drugs are going to keep coming across the border a long as there is demand for them. Building a wall is an extraordinarily expensive venture that will only stop some forms of migrant traffic. Meanwhile, cartels have built an industry around moving coke by land, sea, and air. People in Mexico are often kidnapped, forced to dig tunnels, beaten if they don't meet a daily quota, and killed when the tunnel is done. Submersible craft are becoming more and more commonplace. Mules are able to swallow packets and travel into the US by air. Smugglers who work on more of a full time basis frequently ferry drugs north and guns south in their gas tanks, through customs checkpoints. A wall does nothing to stop any of this. If anything, the only noticeable difference will be an increase in the price of drugs, and anything else that will move illicitly across the border- but historically speaking, American drug users have no issue with the increased cost going up their nose.

Rather, the wall is mostly political symbol. And while I wouldn't be opposed to such a concept if it could be done cheaply and without invoking eminent domain on a lot of privately owned border property, it's just not an efficient, effective use of resources. The fact that both sides are so childish as to hold government functions hostage over a political symbol is something I find sickening. Could the wall be useful in a limited capacity? Yes, but five billion dollars can be better spent in other ways to secure our borders. For instance, funding the coast guard, and airline customs agents.

Side: Don’t agree
0 points

Hello again, D:

Nailed it!!!!!

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Side: Don’t agree
Caspion(205) Disputed
0 points

Rather, the wall is mostly political symbol.

People all over East and West Germany didn't see each other for decades until the Berlin Wall was destroyed, and it wasn't even a tall wall.

Side: Agree
TheDevil(6) Disputed
0 points

The Berlin wall also had a wide no-mans-land in between filled with obstacles and barbed wire, where people were mowed down by machine gun fire, among other security features not on the table for our southern border. Yet people still made it across. And that doesn't change the fact that this wall doesn't address many methods of getting people and products over the border illegally that are already in use.

Side: Don’t agree