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4 points

When did the love thy neighbor theme of the New Testament get morphed into the obey or be smited message like the Old Testament?

Saving101(17) Clarified
2 points

Your question is out of chronological order. The Old Testament came first then the New Testament. As for obey or be smited you will have to be more clear.

Grenache(6103) Disputed
2 points

No that is exactly my point. Christ's New Testament is about loving thy neighbor as well as God being loving, whereas the Old Testament is full of fire and brimstone and fear. So how is it all these Christians on this site post constantly hate and try to stoke fear? Why is it they use religion as a blunt object to bludgeon instead of as a happy message of love?

They do it because they completely missed the true message and example set by Christ.

By the way, look up sarcasm sometime.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
2 points

when did you get morphed from being an innocent child to being a guilty sinner who knows God disapproves of your sin?

KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

Jesus said unless your righteousness exceeds that of scribes

and pharasees.

Law condemns because if you live by the law and break any

the whole Law, the Law judges you, with your consciece bearing witness against you. With the accuser of the brethern accusing

like scoffing crowd declaring the light an enemy disclosing

darkness within us. Thus holding us, binding us to the flesh, enslaved to obey desires, and held captive in darkness till

judgement

Law was written in Adam's conscience at his Creation.

But, Knowledge Condemning Conscience didn't exist till after

knowledge of good and evil entered through Deception and from Disobedience. Then evil came into bear fruit of thistles and thorns After serpent decieved, then beyond that taking root of sin through disobedience. Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you;

And you will eat the plants of the field; (two men in the field, one taken and one left, ... where Lord? Where the body is the vultures are gathered. - the body is following flesh to death, or be grain of wheat falls to ground and die, bears fruit)

Now, both seeds grew in them. God says

Seeds then growing on ground are seeds of darkness and light. Choosing one or the other. Then not only obey or disobey but

now seed of darkness is growing and the accuser condemning

us according to our consciences.

Jesus did a few things when He came to us.

When Jesus took on humanity as fully the Nature of God and fully the nature of man, He overcame all things in every way, mastering His human nature making it in complete subjection to the Nature of God.

God came down as the Son, to be the 1st of many to bring forth children of God, and of the not of the nature of Adam or even the body of Adam, but transform or human bodies into bodies like Jesus, into not only the image of God, but to share and partake OF AN inheritance of being transformed into the Nature of God, not just the image of God.

So Jesus, "the Son of man, and the Son of God, went before us and Ripped out all the thorns and thistles that were in the way, Making the "narrow way" which IS the ONLY WAY, Straight - Not a Crooked Path, to Transform Us, and Transfer Us, from our Human Nature through His cleared path to all who believe on Him, and follow Him, so we can be "called children of God, and "partake in His Nature.

If you look at Genesis 3 He says - To the woman He said,

“I will greatly multiply

Your pain in childbirth,

In pain you will bring forth children;

Yet your desire will be for your husband,

And he will rule over you.”

Because of allowing herself to be decieved - it was already going to be pain to birth Seed into the transforming God was going to do,

but now it is multiplied

And now you will have to wait for the Bridegroom.

While to the 1st Adam to be transformed, he will fight through the cursed ground to be transformed into our Heavenly bodies.

So it had to happen through transformation from our human nature made in the Image of God, to the Nature of God as a gift of adoption in order for us to share in His inheritance.

But the struggle of the curses put on the serpant - on belly creating an appetite to feed on the lusts and of eating dust and enmity with seed and woman. And curses on the ground toil thorns thistles struggle and then death. With these curses that entered the world our transformation has these added dynamics.

And I'm not sure of the how without sin in the world, but I do know the mystery of God from the beginning was to change us from an Image of God to partake in a Heavenly Body as Jesus brought forth sons that are image of the Son.

Rom 8

29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren

And 1 Corinthians 15

35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?” 36 You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies; 37 and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own.

39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;

44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there

is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last

Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 47 The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. 48 As is the earthy,

so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also

are those who are heavenly. 49 Just as we have borne the image

of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.

Making us, mere children of flesh, to become children of God.

So Jesus is the 1st of many brethern (or sisteren, lol) to walk through our nature into the nature of God! For us to pick up our cross and follow the path. He says it's a narrow road to Eternal

Life, where as the road to sin and death is a highway.

Jesus led a life leaving His position of God, to be made for a little while lower than the Angels. So God's the Son who is and always was the nature of the Father, humbled himself as a man like us, to overcome all things, to then be delivered in His innocence as the spotless lamb, the blood sacrifice once and for all, who became

the innocent Lamb, cursed for us on a tree, on which our every judgement fell.

Then raised from the dead, He overcome both sin, judgement, and death that we ourselves couldn't separate or sever in our own human nature, which it's struggles in toil with thorns and thistles, and our dust to dust death. To give us rest, The Holy Spirit imparted to all who are Born Again through this path, "The Way, The Truth, And The Life," that Jesus made for us.

jeffreyone(1335) Disputed
1 point

I think you should ask this question wisely and intelligently And you will get wise answer aswell

Christians are the biggest hypocrites ever. Jesus would be sick if he came here today

Saving101(17) Clarified
2 points

If you will make accusations please be specific. Also this is for questions. Is there a question here?

faith1969(4) Disputed
2 points

if you're not christian then you're not waiting for the messiah, then you can be saved by yourself. we are messianic people waiting on the messiah while he tarries, and doing his works . although some are christans by name only and not actions or faith.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
3 points

Jews aren't Christian, and they are still waiting for the Messiah. If Christianity really believes the Messiah has already come, why do you still have to wait for the Messiah to get here to make everything better?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

sure, and Jesus would make you king for your profound observations....................

Hellno(17754) Banned
3 points

Is it a sin to go on a date with Rosey Palmer and her five sisters?

foil7(346) Clarified
2 points

Just because the Bible killed someone for releasing "his seed" onto the ground doesn't mean that Christians do not allow masturbation.

Saving101(17) Disputed
1 point

Foil7 understanding of the Bible isn't trustworthy. The scripture he is referring to is Genesis 38:9-10 (And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also.) In the time of this event the rules were. If your brother died without having a son you were to marry his widow and raise up an heir in his brother's name. Onan wanted to have sex with Tamar but didn't want to fulfill his duties as a brother.

faith1969(4) Disputed
1 point

anything involving turning away from God's directive of leaving selfishness behind, opens one to fleshly weakness turns you into a slave of sin why would you go back ? we're here already dying from the time we're born into sin. why would you take off your hands off the steering wheel and head straight into wall

Jesus was a socialist. We live in the most money obcessed society in the world. And it's supposed to be founded on christian foundation? Things that make me go hmmm?

3 points

Actually, Jesus was a Marxist. He didn't call for government redistribution, he called for social responsibility:

"Acts 4:32–35: 32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. 33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. 34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need."

Saving101(17) Clarified
1 point

Jesus is neither of them. He is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. Jesus created Karl Marx. So how and when can the creator be put under the rules of the created?

SlapShot(2607) Disputed
1 point

JC could not have been Marxist since Karl had not been born yet.

Nor would he for another 1900 years .

You would do better to opine that JC advocated socialism. But even that is arguable. What with his quote about rendering unto Caesar what is his.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Jesus was not a socialist. There is one socialist described in the Bible and it's not Jesus.

From John 12:.....

3Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. son, which should betray him,'>4Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, 5Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? 6This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

Socialists want to control the money because they are thieves. They do not produce anything, just try to control what is produced so they can steal from it.

3 points

Why would you provide humans curiosity and the ability to question if you are going to punish them for doing so?

Saving101(17) Clarified
1 point

God doesn't punish for questioning him. What type of human curiosity are you talking about?

IAmSparticus(1517) Clarified
2 points

He does punish you if you don't stop questioning, however. Belief or hell, you know.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Because you use your curiosity and argumentativeness for evil, and God is not good if He does not punish evil.

3 points

Bill Gates has donated billions of dollars to all kinds of charity. However, he will go to Hell, as he is an atheist. Why is this?

Saving101(17) Clarified
1 point

I'm not for sure of Bill Gates beliefs. Neither can anyone before judgment day determine whether he will go to Earth, Heaven or Hell. As for his donations no one can buy themselves into Heaven. Understand this God is life. If atheist don't believe in God how can they believe in Heaven and Hell. And if this be so why be concerned with where he will end up.

foil7(346) Disputed
2 points

Bill Gates is not trying to buy himself into Heaven. He has a heart and is a great that is why he donates money and not because he wants a reward.

AlofRI(2687) Disputed
1 point

Even if you are a Christian, that is NOT your decision to make. Decisions are not usually made on "hearsay". Not one word in the Bible is NOT hearsay.

Saving101(17) Clarified
1 point

No, final judgment is not based on hearsay. Even if you are Christian.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Same reason you will end up in Hell if you don't get saved....your sin disqualifies you from life.

3 points

How do you justify your particular religious beliefs, knowing that if you're wrong, there might be another deity out there who will judge you the same as the god you believed in would judge others for not believing in him?

/Spin on Pascal's Wager.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

That's a dumb question. You cannot justify religious beliefs. See my debate "Pascal's Wager is always a losing bet." All of the atheists and everybody else arguing against me there completely gave up.

riahlize(1575) Disputed
5 points

Would you like me to respond with "that's a dumb answer"? Or are we going to move passed unwarranted opinions about what others post as their response?

I also do not care about any other thread. This particular thread welcomed questions for Christians, where Christians would then respond with their answer here. You haven't really answered the question if you say "the answer is at this other place." The goal is to bring the answer here.

But I suppose my wording was a bit more demanding of evidence than I had intended. Let me rephrase,

How have you been convinced that Christianity is right -- knowing that other belief systems also call for non-believers not to be deserving of paradise? Why take that wager? And if it's not seen as a wager, what has convinced you otherwise?

KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

There is only one truth, you should be convinced of that Truth, and also it should have witnesses of truth

So Christianity has a Cloud of Witnesses.

.You have the writings of Old and New

.The Word is a Witness of itself

.Confirmed through prophesies that have come true

.Wisdom bearing witness confirming validity with

sound reasoning in, to, and for every age

.Eye witness accounts confirm the writings

.Confirming one writing is true by writings of another, and also other documentations found declare validity, even if in contradiction. Because it still shows its historical validity

.Through the Word being One, even though the Word is written by many

.Showing the Oneness of the Author

.The diligence of Commands regarding the Word, watching over it for handed down accuracy, that is specific and determined

.The writings confirm themselves, if not all through findings of man, which many have been found and have confirmed, but also through the unfolding documentations revealed, as Time progresses

.Can be followed from looking forward - Genesis to Revelations, with the football handed down in an exact planned method

.The progress through time would require planning things out of any humans ability to plan as detailed and precisly, as it followed as described and foretold

.Performing with known results as pre-determined as science - Making every movement within time, as sure as cause and effect with an outcome as sure as if you throw a glass and it forcefully hits a ceramic floor, it will break

.Who What When and Where are described and foretold. So, in essence, if you follow the football from looking from the beginning foreward, it's even a greater feet than Creation itself

.Every scheduled appointed time, produced the unfolded events and end results intended

.And continues through a course of 6000 years to be passed as light to light is revealed

.John the Baptist bearing witness of Jesus

.and Jesus bearing Witness of the foretold Messiah

.Eye Witnesses to Jesus

.The Spirit also bearing witness

.The blood of Martyrs bearing witness

.And the Testimony of those washed and changed by the Blood

and the Word and The Spirit bear witness of all these!

.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

How do you justify your existence outside of Hell?.............................................................

JoeCalvary Disputed
1 point

there might be another deity out there who will judge you the same as the god you believed in would judge others for not believing in him?

Not really. If the god is just like the Biblical god, that would make it...the Biblical god...

2 points

If God created the Universe 5 thousand years ago, why did he make it look like it was made 14 billion years ago?

I don't think most Christians believe the Earth (and universe) was made five thousand years ago.

nobodyknows(745) Disputed
2 points

Unfortunately for me, I have never met a Christian who believes the Earth was NOT created 5000 years ago. Of course, I was raised in the church and in the Christian homeschool community here in the south so the Christians I know are more evangelical than average.

Saving101(17) Clarified
2 points

Looks can be deceiving. Humans have been known to be wrong sometimes.

nobodyknows(745) Clarified
2 points

Well that is my question. Why does it looks so much like it is 14 billion years old. Why is he trying to deceive us?

AlofRI(2687) Clarified
2 points

ALL humans?? That means the Christian humans could be wrong. Many , absolutely, do NOT believe they could be wrong! I agree with YOU, they very much COULD be.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

He didn't make it look like it was made 14 billion years ago, it's your warped mind looking at it that way

2 points

I don't know what you mean you need to explain your question a bit more

What does it mean to you when you say that Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are one God?

and

Is there any amount of evidence that one can give that will cause you to leave Christianity?

LadyLinkstar(415) Clarified
2 points

Holy shit these are some good questions. I really want to know.

Saving101(17) Clarified
2 points

Jesus is the word of God. The Holy Spirit is God's spirit. I love God he is all I have. I would die for my faith. Listen to these commandment. Matthew 5:44 "But I say unto you Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." See it is not just because of my faith that I wouldn't leave Jesus it's also because what he says is the truth. Listen to these comforting words. Romans 8:35-39 "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, for thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor Angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor heights, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

God, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus are three forms of one great being. Jesus is/was the physical embodiment of the word of God. The Holy Spirit is the metaphysical word of God. The Holy Spirit comes to give people guidance and of course share the word. God is the word. He is the creator and sculptor of mankind and the universe.

Of course. One could one day find evidence that just completely makes Christianity void and null. Until then I'll remain a Christian.

Srom(12206) Clarified
2 points

What does it mean to you when you say that Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are one God?

It's called the Trinity.

Is there any amount of evidence that one can give that will cause you to leave Christianity?

Nope.

1 point

If you were in charge of heaven, would you send people to Hell for not believing you existed?

If I were in charge of Heaven no. Not until they made the decision to deny my word.

Saving101(17) Clarified
1 point

Your question took a lot of thought. In the garden of Eden the serpent beguiled Eve by convincing her that she could be as God.

To question him is just being human and everyone does it even though we are out of place. But to think we can make better decisions than he can I will not do. I believe that God's rewards and punishments are right and just. But we can down size your question. Let us say you created A.I. It decided one day that you didn't create it and it didn't have to follow the rules you put in it. It started behaving against you even denied your existence. Started destroying all of your other creations. How long would you allow it to oppose you?

Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

That's not a good question. I would stop it as soon as it started destroying things I didn't want it to destroy. Why has God not stepped in?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

They would be sending themselves to Hell by their rejection of my love.

3 points

You think everyone you meet deserves a painful death. That's not very loving.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

What love?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

People end up in Hell because they want a reality where nothing good is from God, they deny God is good so they reject all of His goodness. The everlasting consuming fire of Hell where dying is never finished is the reality void of God's goodness which people who do not believe in God asked for, and God gave it to them becaue He loves them and gives them what they really want, a reality void of any indication of God's goodness, the same reality you want now when ou say you do not believe in God.......and you are going to get it if you won't repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

We live in a reality where nothing good is from God. We have to die in order to reach the place where God produces anything that is good.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Another one of your wonderful copy and paste jobs. So, you are unintelligent, ignorant, and unoriginal.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Their sin takes them to Hell as it disqualifies them from life.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

You should be worried then. You don't believe in God. Thinking you are God doesn't mean you actually blend in God.

1 point

If God created the heavens does this mean he also created trillions of stars as well if so why

If it took a week to create our small planet it would have taken billions of years for the rest of the universe

Saving101(17) Clarified
3 points

Yes, God created everything. Not sure how long it took him. Some question must be left answered from God.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

God said it took Him six days, and He rested on the seventh day. Why not just take God at His word?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

iGod created the Heavens and the Earth and everything in them all at once. Then he formed living things from the things He had created.......we are wet piles of dust with the breath of life in us

AlofRI(2687) Disputed
2 points

"Then he formed living thing from the things he created."

So the "things" needed for creation were HERE. They were "used" to create life. If they were here, why is it impossible for natural functions and reactions to "bring them together?", and "create life" and for it to "evolve" naturally?? (i.e., evolution)

If we bring certain chemicals together we get a reaction, If we bring certain minerals together, we get other reactions. "God" doesn't do this, it is the natural function of the chemicals and minerals. Bring the right ones together and VOILA .... LIFE!

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

the heavens and the earth were created in the beginning......the beginning is one moment.

It took no time for God to create the heavens and the earth.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

why not?.......................................................................................

God created the heavens and the earth and all that is in them in six days. It wasn't hard for God to do this because He is God.

1 point

Who made God if we are made in his image then is he also made of atoms

Where did he come from

How old is he

Saving101(17) Clarified
2 points

Hi laylo5,

Who made God: God was not made he has always existed. If you really give this some thought you will understand. Take for instance the Big Bang theory. Those that believe that. Ask them what happened before that, and before that, and before that, and before that, and before that. You get where I'm going. God has no age he is eternal no beginning or end.

AlofRI(2687) Disputed
2 points

For "something" to exist, it must have a place to exist. Where did this "place" come from? What reason did "it" have to exist?

I say "GOD" never existed except in the imagination and fears (of everything not understood) of man. The "concept" that everything MUST have a "beginning" is a human concept, just like this "GOD". Did you ever think that maybe BOTH concepts were wrong? There are many thing STILL not understood.

If this "GOD" created the universe, why is he still creating it ...light years from us? If he "created" every rock in the Asteroid Belt, why? Why does he constantly "create", then destroy, planets hundreds of times larger than Earth .... after which he must have rested for MONTHS, "after his great work".

We can't conceive of something that exists without a beginning ... except this "GOD" (some of us). I say, if HE can exist without a beginning, as WE conceive it, the universe can.

laylo5(26) Disputed
1 point

So in answer because we can only theorise before the Big Bang therefore it cannot be true yet without any evidence whatsoever you are asking people to believe in a mythical being that has existed "forever" and that should be accepted as being true

Do any believers in God ever ask themselves any questions about

Religion and try to explain it

It's seems to be the answer is always " it just is " whenever a question is asked or "your all going to hell" yet if there is no God then there is no hell

I personally think the church should concentrate on the good work that it does for its fellow man and leave the non existent God out of the equation

Nobody can make God. He is everlasting and has always been. His existence is beyond our conception.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Who or what are you talking about? Whoever it is that you are referring to as "God" is not The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY......I think you know that, so who are you really talking about? Satan?

SlapShot(2607) Disputed
1 point

My question to you sir is for you to please give me ONE example or current situation, place, occurrence, person, thing, SOMETHING!! that we can see today on this entire planet that is proof there is a god.And that we are not here simply out of blind chance, through Evolution, and adhere to the laws of physics and reason and randomness like all us atheists say.

Show me ONE instance of why the world we live in can NOT be as we atheists say, but is instead governed by a personal deity who listens to prayers and cares about you.

Thank you.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-dawkins/why-there-almost-certainl b32164.html

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

God is not made or He would not be God...I think you know that, you just want to ask stupid questions as if stupidity is unanswerable.

Being made in the image of God means we have powers of reason, mobility, creativity (imagination and practical application), communication, and the ability to bring other creatures, children, like ourselves, into existence.

I don't know why I'm bothering to answer you........you probably don't care if you are on your way to Hell and don't care if God loves you or not, and do not appreciate that He made you in His own image and values you (and all other people, all individually) above anything else in Creation.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

who made you?......................................................................................

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Who made you? where did you come from? How old are you? When did you reach the point where you think you are better and smarter than God?

Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

He thinks he is better and smarter than you. Stop pretending you are God.

beLIEvie. When something is written it is more convincing than something spoken. That's all . The fact it's written doesn't make it more true - just more convincing

Saving101(17) Clarified
1 point

It was spoken before it was written. fact: The Christian bible is the most published literature in history. The reason is God said his word will reach everyone. Bibles are even being air dropped into North Korea one of the most isolated countries in the world. God said in the ladder days he will write his laws in our hearts and minds. This is why you see a lot of non believers writing about loving one another. Writing God's word down doesn't make it more true it allows it to reach more people. You already know the truth the hard part is submitting to it.

1 point

If Jesus had a Father who was human would he still be perfect? If so how would it make him any different if his Father was still God?

Saving101(17) Clarified
1 point

No to the first question. I don't understand the second question. Can you phrase it differently.

BloodBird(45) Clarified
1 point

How does it make God any more perfect if God was his father rather than a human?

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

If a man has a son, that child is in essence the same as the man. The child is a sinner the same as his father. Jesus never sinned because God cannot sin. Jesus is God the same as God the Father is God. They are one, and the Holy Spirit is with them, these three are One. God took on Himself the form of a man when He was conceived by the Spirit of God, the Son of God sent by the Father conceived in human form, God the man, the Son of God, the Son of Man. We are sinners. God Himself died in our place and paid for our sins so we can be forgiven by Him in His resurrection.

Anybody whose father is a man, is no more than a man and is not God. Jesus, whose Father is God, is God, the Son of God. People come from people, God the Son came down from Heaven. God is our Savior, Jesus Christ is His name. There is no other Savior.

Only God is perfect, nobody whose father is a man is perfect but rather they are like their fathers, imperfect and dying due to their imperfection. Jesus is perfect, He is God.

People want to imply He was only a man because if they believe He is who He said He is, God in person, that means He has authority over them and they don't want God telling them what to do or what not to do so they reject His authority and hope to escape in death.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Jesus is the Son of God, His Father if God, He is God, Jesus is God. A human father has human children. The Son of God is God.

1 point

Thank you for being relevant.

...............................................................

1 point

What did the devil actually do wrong? Because I've never heard a straight answer.

Saving101(17) Clarified
1 point

The devil is the father of lies. He is the deceiver that has turned angels and men away from God. Read Revelation 12:7 it talks about a war in heaven. There are many other scripture showing the devil's nature. Please let me know if you would like them.

IAmSparticus(1517) Clarified
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Though I am guessing I know where you are going to go with your answer, I'll ask out of curiosity anyway:

Why do you believe God made the Devil even though he knew before making him that he would become the father of lies?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Because the devil, when he was called Lucifer, was greater and higher in position than all or most of the other angels (only Michael and Gabriel are mentioned as possibly being equal or near Lucifer's greatness and position), he decided the lower angels should admire and serve Him. Instead of leading them to serve and honor only God who deserves it for creating them and giving them free will, he led them to serve himself as he sought to set himself up as the king of creation. He had become proud of himself and wanted lower angels to admire him, rather than to direct their admiration correctly to God who gave Lucifer whatever measure of greatness he had. The greatness of Lucifer was an illustration by God of His own greatness, and Lucifer wanted the lower angels to praise him instead of God who created them. He led them to serve him by force and by manipulation, and God finally spoke His objection and spelled out Satan's (formerly known as Lucifer, now his name was changed meaning "adversary") error of rebellion as well as the punishment he would receive. Lucifer's scheme was to take over God's throne and set himself up as God. For some reason he got it in his head that it was better to be the one in power being served, instead of being one under a higher power .........the only problem with that is God owns everything He made and Satan does not have the right to disenfranchise God. Because God is good he will not allow unrighteousness to go unpunished. Satan is doomed.

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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Good question, probably the best and most honest question I've seen here.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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The devil rebelled against God. If you don't find that answer straight, it's because your mind is warped.

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If god is an unchanging god then why do Christians say some of the commands from the old testament are no longer important or need to be followed?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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The ceremonial law was fulfilled by Jesus as the final sacrifice for our sins, God Himself became the sacrificial Lamb to pay for our sins.

The moral law has not changed.

Societal law governs our society. We abide by the laws of our nation as long as those laws do not compel us to do things denying God the Savior, Jesus Christ.

That is a general answer, to a very vague question. You probably have a list of laws God gave to the Jews after He brought them out of Egypt which you really don't want to understand, you really don't want the answer to your question.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Are you really so blown away from hash that you can't be specific in what you are asking about, then study the context of whatever it is you are asking about, and get the answer yourself?

Saving101(17) Clarified
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You are correct, God is unchanging. We follow all commandments from God, except the one Jesus upgraded or clarified. Some of the rules Israel was under were temporal. Example: Israel in the Old Testament had to offer sacrifices for the sins of the people. In the old testament Psalms 40:6 (“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire; My ears You have opened. Burnt offering and sin offering You did not require. Then I said, “Behold, I come; In the scroll of the book it is written of me. I delight to do Your will, O my God, And Your law is within my heart.”) You see God gave them temporary laws to obey until he sent our Saviour.

Saving101(17) Clarified
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Correction, We follow all commandments from the Old Testament except the ones Jesus upgraded or clarified.

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I'm a biologist.

So...if there were indeed a perfect and omniscient creator, why would he feel it necessary to create no less than 2.5 Million species of insects in the Amazon Rain Forest alone?

As well as millions of different varieties of beetlles?

Also..why all of our junk DNA? Fully one quarter or our Genome coding is useless. Serving no purpose? Lots of replication, lots of broken and incomplete strands.

That are what one would expect to see exactly if we in fact evolved and adapted to our environ!ents over epochs of time?

Why if evolution is not real and God is perfect, are WE not perfect? Subject to disease and deterioration? Why is the human eye and optical nerve installed backwards? That is, insofar as optimal efficacy is concerned? Why is it exactly as it would be had it evolved from being originally only a light sensitive patch of cells?

I can provide links and sources for all these facts, btw.

Thanks!

Saving101(17) Clarified
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Congrats on being a Biologist. Are your questions really for Christians? They look like they should be for a Biologist. Or are they an attempt to prove God doesn't exist? If you read your questions, even if they could be answered what does that prove? Are you saying there shouldn't be 2.5 million species of insects or there should be more or this is evidence that insects created themselves? I have never been able to answer any of your question to you satisfaction but I'll try to again because I like you. I believe you will become a Christian one day. The only question I'm capable of answering is the question pertaining to perfect. Man was created perfect. Imperfection came to man when we started moving away from God's commandments. The moment we sinned is when we started to deteriorate. As for the eye part. Maybe your eyes are installed backwards but mine are perfectly fine, I have no complaints.

SlapShot(2607) Clarified
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My questions were posed for believers in a perfect creator and for Christians who deny evolution. Which, if perfection and balance in nature were the goals of said God, then he failed miserable with the natural world, where there is tremendous waste. Not to mention the painful and torturous death every single minute of every day for millions of animals.

Did they too fall from Grace?

Speaking of the Fall, you said we were once perfect? Despite how I explained that the homo sapien body is flawed.

So are you claiming Adam and Eve were physiologically different from us? With no junk DNA and backward optical nerves and vestigial traits leftover from evolution? Like you and I have?

Please tell me you are also not a young earther.

Thanks.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Many biologists reject evolution and BYA, the reasons and all of the answers for your questions which you propose as supports for evolution can be found at sites like this: https://answersingenesis.org/

this is one of the best known science sites against evolution. There are many more. You don't have to believe in evolution to find answers for your questions, there are much simpler and much more science based answers than answers which depend on belief in evolution. Rejecting evolutionary belief in no way hinders or limits scientific discovery and application of science.......but if you realize evolution is a lie and you admit it publicly, you will lose most or all of your friends at school.

Do the research for yourself, look at the science against evolution....only one indisputable fact scientifically observable and repeatable which shows BYA or evolution cannot be real in light of that fact proves the "theory" of evolution is nothing but a hypothesis believed by choice denying facts of reality. I have tried to show you many of these things which disprove evolution, but it seems you just disappear when the facts are presented plainly in posts here.....if you will take the challenge and study for yourself, you will see that evolution is not possible, has never happened, and will never happen.......and the same for BYA hypothesis.

People who support BYA and evolution insert beliefs as facts and then accept only facts which can be interpreted in support of those beliefs, no matter that the facts can be explained other ways which are contrary to BYA and evolution.

I always study both sides of the argument when things like Red Shift and decay of radioactive isotopes or whatever the latest argument is........oh yeah, junk DNA too, they tried to convince me that was one of the proofs of evolution in Biology class, it is not. I am not much for discipline study to write things down so I can recite all the facts forever, I prefer cramming for tests and assignments at the last minute and get A's easily, then I forget the rigorous structured details but retain the basic facts. Evolutionists generally only look at things one way and that way must conform to their beliefs so facts which are contradictory or different ways of looking at the facts are ignored.

most of the biological arguments you present are things I studied both sides of before the internet was invented.....and after evolution had been pumped into me for decades through television and public schools and all the science mags and books I used to read. The arguments supporting intelligent design and young earth are much simpler, much more logical, and neglect or ignore no scientific facts.

Bohemian(3870) Disputed
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Many biologists reject evolution

If you consider less than 0.01% of biologists many.

The arguments supporting intelligent design and young earth are much simpler

Agreed.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Here's a video for you.......maybe you sat in class under this PhD when he was a professor of Biology at Tulane University and Medical School, or when he was dean of the graduate school.......Dr. Lungsden (not sure the name is spelled correctily) studied at Tulane, Harvard, and Rice. He used the same arguments as Dawkins and taught them to his students....and correct me if I'm wrong, but the man seems to me to be much more accomplished in education than Dawkins.

This seven minute video is him telling of his work and experience with science.

There are many similar scientists and professors I could show, but I like this one the best of all I've watched so far, and I hope you appreciate it.

https://youtu.be/pS5j3XccmUM

And here's another one from one of the leading chemical evolutionary theorists in the world during the sixties and seventies. His famous contribution to evolutionary theory was "chemical predestination", or "biochemical predestination", and was co-author of the book "biochemical predestination". Many evolutionary biologists and scientists embraced his ideas. His book over the next twenty years was a bestselling text on the theory of chemical evolution. Maybe you have seen it or read it. The author is now professor of biology (emeritus) at San Francisco State University.

https://youtu.be/a2RZzyFTTXo

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Why do you keep saying "junk DNA"? You need to catch up with modern science, there is no such thing as junk DNA.

Atrag(5448) Disputed
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This debate was created a few months ago genius.

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What happened to the authors of the so-called "Old Testament"? Are they still in purgatory for their blasphemy, or were they sent directly to hell?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Wow, you really are amazing with your big oat stupid statements. Are you afraid to ask honest and specific questions?

BigOats(1341) Disputed
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That was a very specific question. Pulling together stories from several ancient books, most of which have nothing to do with God - and calling this compilation divine - is certainly blasphemy. I wonder what happened to these evil people.