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Yes, they should. No way!
Debate Score:101
Arguments:68
Total Votes:114
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Race and Gender Politics




Should race and gender be a consideration when voting for a presidential candidate? The Democrats seem think so since they are constantly bringing up the issue at every election. I don't think either qualifies you for anything, especially an elected office. Democrats think you're too stupid to see through their ruse. I think they're wrong. What do you think; do you think race and gender should be considered when voting?

Yes, they should.

Side Score: 47
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No way!

Side Score: 54

It's not a matter of whether or not they should, it's a matter of whether or not they are.

The reality is that they are, either subconsciously or consciously. That's not a partisan claim.

Now if you are "too stupid" (to use your terms) or simply haven't actually looked into the problem itself, you might think that it's only the Democrats who do that.

You would, obviously, be wrong.

Side: Yes, they should.
2 points

I totally agree! People judge people based on their race, gender, and religion AS WELL AS their political ideologies and policies. No matter what we do, people will always be biased. Democrats use race and gender to gain votes. Republicans use race and gender to gain votes.

It works on both sides. Obama became president (Black), Hillary is a frontrunner (woman), and Bernie Sanders is also a frontrunner (Jewish).

George Bush Jr. became president (White Christian Male), Ted Cruz is a frontrunner (White Christian Male), and Donald Trump is also a frontrunner (White Christian Male).

You can't say one side reflects our population the best...

Side: Yes, they should.
1 point

It's the left that makes an issue out of gender and race at every turn, not the right.

Side: No way!
Dante756(77) Disputed
1 point

This is absurd. While Christians may vote for a Christian, it is because of the morals Christians share. Women don't all believe in the same set of principles; there is no "Women's Bible".

"People judge people based on their race, gender, and religion AS WELL AS their political ideologies and policies. No matter what we do, people will always be biased." That has nothing to do with the ethics of this question.

Also, just because they're white, male, and Christian does not discredit them, as you seem to think it does, which I can assume is because you're a bigoted progressive. The Republican party has conservative values... Christian values.

And don't just omit people like Herman Cain, who was close to winning the nomination. Carson, at one point a front runner, is black. Bobby Jindal... the list goes on.

And Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are Cuban!

Side: No way!
Dante756(77) Disputed
2 points

It is a matter of whether they should, you can't rewrite the proposition.

THIS IS ABOUT ETHICS.

The facile Liberal argument is "It doesn't work" or "This is how it is".

And of course, then they call people stupid.

Ben Carson at one point polled higher than Donald Trump. And you know what, he didn't even advertise himself as black. Because he has merit. Because he believes that he is qualified for better reasons.

I guess I'm stereotyping you, but then again, IT'S INEVITABLE.

Side: No way!
2 points

It is a matter of whether they should, you can't rewrite the proposition.

I didn't rewrite it, I was criticizing it.

THIS IS ABOUT ETHICS.

It is and it isn't.

The facile Liberal argument is "It doesn't work" or "This is how it is".

I'm not a Liberal, so why don't you stick with what I actually say instead of partisan shtick.

And of course, then they call people stupid.

Except I didn't, I quite clearly quoted him. It was a joke.

Ben Carson at one point polled higher than Donald Trump. And you know what, he didn't even advertise himself as black. Because he has merit. Because he believes that he is qualified for better reasons.

And Ben Carson invalidates the sociological and socioeconomic conditions of racial groups across the entire country? Of course he polled higher; he was the Evangelical Candidate.

I guess I'm stereotyping you, but then again, IT'S INEVITABLE.

Not sure you know what stereotyping is..

Side: Yes, they should.

I think Race and Gender should be taken into account, as they help give us a psychological assessment of individuals when voting for them.

Side: Yes, they should.
HighFalutin(3402) Clarified
1 point

Does one factor score higher on the psychological scale than the other factors.

Side: Yes, they should.
1 point

Absolutely.

Being a male and Scottish would determine far more than if you liked peppermints and were bold headed.

Side: No way!

This is classic liberalism- divide and conquer by race, gender, class warfare, lifestyle choice et. al.; it's just what they do.

Side: No way!
1 point

Your position on this seems to be a rather odd one. You recognize that gender, race, and class exist, yet you seem to think any appeal to any of those leading someone to have a different life is fallacious.

Not sure how you can both recognize those characteristics exist, whilst simultaneously decrying people recognizing that they exist.

Side: Yes, they should.
3 points

You don't make any sense as usual. When you think you can, get back with me.

Side: No way!

All candidates for a vacant position should be judged exclusively on their merit and,if applicable, past employment history. Race and gender should play no part whatsoever in the decision making process. That rule of course flies out the window if you're a white applicant seeking employment in any of the black African countries or a female job seeker in any Muslim country. White job applicants in Africa run a good chance of being machete'd to death and a female applying for a position in a Muslim country would undoubtedly be stoned to death.

Side: No way!
IAmSparticus(1516) Clarified
1 point

So even though statistics show that different races and genders vote differently on issues, those characteristics, (which again do have a clear and demonstrable impact on voting trends) shouldn't be taken into account?

So if we aren't allowed to vote based on which way politicians will most likely lean on issues, what are we allowed to vote based on?

Side: Yes, they should.
Dante756(77) Disputed
2 points

But SPECIFIC politicians have SPECIFIC ideas.

Carly Fiorina disagrees with Hillary Clinton.

You misuse of that statistic would be like me saying, "Because blacks commit more crimes than the average white, then we should assume blacks are criminals."

Which is insane.

Side: Yes, they should.
3 points

Do you think race and gender should be considered when voting?

Well, let's put it this way:

Should a white male who professes to hate blacks and women get the white vote?

No! Because this person is racist, and racism is bad.

But should black male who professes to hate whites and women get the black vote?

Still no.

Showing preferential treatment to those like you means that you are bigoted, and encouraging doing so contributes to polarization.

On a large scale, we might make a mistake appointing an executive who isn't worthy. On a smaller scale, people may feel that their race is the deciding factor in their lot in life, negating their accomplishments, or making them unnecessary.

We need to put qualities of substance first. Unless we're appointing a 'Representative of Black People," we shouldn't show any bias towards a black candidate. Insert any group. But just don't group people!

Side: No way!
IAmSparticus(1516) Clarified
1 point

You are mistakenly assuming these biases occur overtly, but they don't.

It isn't that people generally vote for someone because of race or gender in spite of negative characteristics. It's that people often attribute positive characteristics more often to people with like characteristics. For example, many men will see other men as more worthy of a position compared to a woman with the same qualifications. The same goes for race. Studies have shown this does happen. That isn't really in question.

The question is whether or not we are going to acknowledge that it happens and recognize that we should try to do something about it.

Or we could ignore it, let the problem continue to fester, and demonize those who recognize it. The first will get us somewhere, the second wont.

Side: Yes, they should.

You are 100% correct................................................................................

Side: No way!
2 points

It's all the Progressive / Leftist have left nothing but the same re-runs !

"Seen the movie before and didn't like it the first time"!

Side: No way!
2 points

The Progressives who told us all we should have a Black president, are COMPLETE PHONEYS AND LIARS because when the candidate is a Conservative Black man, they say no way, we don't need that kind of a Black President.

When Progressives tell us all we should have a woman president, they as always are complete phoneys and liars because if you are a Conservative woman, they will say no way, we don't need that kind of woman as president.

Look what Feminists and Democrats did to Sarah Palin. They crucified her because she was a Conservative, but they have no problem with Hillary, a proven liar and corrupt politician deserving of an indictment.

The double standard and hypocrisy is mind blowing.

Side: No way!
1 point

The Progressives who told us all we should have a Black president, are COMPLETE PHONEYS AND LIARS because when the candidate is a Conservative Black man, they say no way, we don't need that kind of a Black President.

Who said that?

When Progressives tell us all we should have a woman president, they as always are complete phoneys and liars because if you are a Conservative woman, they will say no way, we don't need that kind of woman as president.

Who said that?

Look what Feminists and Democrats did to Sarah Palin. They crucified her because she was a Conservative, but they have no problem with Hillary, a proven liar and corrupt politician deserving of an indictment.

They crucified her because she was a corrupt politician who used her powers to enact personal vengeance, lied consistently, and was thoroughly unqualified to hold a conversation about foreign policy over coffee, let alone the office of the Vice Presidency. Did some attacks get sexist and vulgar? Yes, and they were unjustified and unacceptable. But some attacks on Hillary have been sexist and vulgar as well.

The double standard and hypocrisy is mind blowing.

But seeing as how the Right did not want "Obama's kind of a Black President", and the Right does not want "Hillary's kind of a woman as president", then that means, by your logic, that you are adhering to that very same double standard.

Side: Yes, they should.
3 points

Nice try, but as usual, you fall way short. It is the left, not the right, that makes color and gender a criteria when deciding to endorse, or condemn a candidate to begin with.

Side: No way!
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
2 points

I'm not going to keep getting into debates with you because you say so many deceptive things, or distort the facts, or simply twist the facts.

I will give you just one example of what I am saying from this post.

You said......"But seeing as how the Right did not want "Obama's kind of a Black President", and the Right does not want "Hillary's kind of a woman as president", then that means, by your logic, that you are adhering to that very same double standard."

Now to the low end voter that knows little of what both parties stand for, that sounded good. But to knowledgeble people, we know that the GOP has NEVER supported picking a president because of the color of their skin, or gender. The Right did not want Obama because he is an extremist Liberal. The same for Hillary.

Democrats talk about electing the first black man or the first women which is never the reason to elect a President of this nation. But you have to be the right kind of black man or woman.

These are the types of deceptive statements you constantly make & I am starting to wonder if you are just too young or naive to understand politics. Then I think you are just being deceptive and simply say things to try and make my argument look bad.

I will not waste my time constantly showing how wrong or deceptive your posts are.

When I get into debates with you, I spend all my time refuting the deceptive remarks you continually make.

Side: No way!