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Yes of course! No, it should be.....
Debate Score:403
Arguments:194
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Raffles ought to remain recognised as the rightful founder of Singapore.

This debate invites you to contribute your thoughts on who ought to be honoured as the rightful founder of Singapore.

 

You are to make use of the following information to help you:

1) Previous individual/group/class definitions of "Founding" to structure your arguments on what constitutes our criteria in recognising a "Founder".

2) Evidences shared in the last lesson based on the 9 sets of readings we went through in class.

 

 

Enjoy the debate and remember not to get personal in your comments! 

Yes of course!

Side Score: 203
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No, it should be.....

Side Score: 200
5 points

Raffles came to Singapore and put Farquhar in charge of Singapore.He also gave funds to build and make a stable Singapore.

Side: Yes of course!
masonsim098(18) Disputed
5 points

But that amount was only very little, in the end he had to end up paying for the cost himself out of his own pocket.

Side: No, it should be.....
kevinteng13(12) Disputed
5 points

What makes u think Raffles did not use his own pocket money too to raise the funds?

Side: Yes of course!
benedict331(9) Disputed
4 points

Proof is that Farquhar's administration was fairly funded and was prohibited from collecting port duties to raise revenue as Raffles had decided that Singapore would be a free port. He also armed Singapore with some artillery and a small regiment of Indian soldiers.How much does this cost?Therefore,Raffles provided Singapore with not just money but the army and much more.

Side: Yes of course!
2 points

That was the only reason he had to make a casino so people should not blame him for it

Side: No, it should be.....
Shaun Disputed
3 points

It was Farquhar who used the funds to create Singapore, Raffles only provided the money, how does that make him the founder?

Side: No, it should be.....
kevinteng13(12) Disputed
2 points

Raffles couldn't be in Singapore ,he provided the resources needed even thought he wasn't there.

Farquhar only did what Raffles wanted to do but couldn't does that still mean F founded Singapore?

Side: Yes of course!
charlenetan(6) Disputed
1 point

The funds weren't sufficient thus Farquhar has to resort to other means to build Singapore.

Side: No, it should be.....
4 points

Even though farquhar stayed in Singapore, he only carried out the plans that were given to him by Raffles so this proves that Modern Singapore was made out of Raffles plans.

Side: Yes of course!
NicoLeHeng(15) Disputed
3 points

Yes you might say that way as if Farquhar was only a worker for Raffles and not a founder. But,on 9 May 1821, William Farquhar was sacked. Despite his many positive achievements in the formative period of Singapore's development, he adopted measures in his administration which conflicted with Raffles, notably in allowing the erection of houses and go downs on the Padang and on the nearby banks of the Singapore River. His justification was that in the fast-rapidly expanding settlement 'nothing is heard in the shape of complaint but the want of more ground to build on'.

Side: No, it should be.....
charlenetan(6) Disputed
1 point

And how did the message get across? They don't have telephones then. Raffles also wasn't there to observer Singapore, it was all Farquhar reports to keep him updated.

Side: No, it should be.....
4 points

Raffles was the one who set up a trading port in Singapore.

But Raffles had plans for Singapore.And William Farquhar did the groundwork doesn’t necessarily mean he cares for Singapore. He had to help Singapore in its growth as it was in his Job.

Side: Yes of course!
seanloh(10) Disputed
1 point

Of course he cares about Singapore it was shown clearly when he married the natives and pulled money from his own money.

Side: No, it should be.....
4 points

Raffles was the one who suggested to make a base in Singapore and a trait of a leader is to take intiative to make the country a better place , and this is what Raffles did so this is what makes him the leader of that country and the founder

Side: Yes of course!
masonsim098(18) Disputed
1 point

But he only thought of the ideas but Farquhar did all the work for Raffles, all his ideas.

Side: No, it should be.....
4 points

Raffles was the one that created the rules for singapore, and helped singapore mantain law and order.

Side: Yes of course!
Deepika(10) Disputed
4 points

There were also policies introduced by F,such as policy implemented by Farquhar to cope with a rats problem that Singapore faced by paying people for every rat they caught.

Side: No, it should be.....
4 points

Raffles appointed Farquhar in charge of infant settlements when he left for Bencoolen.( on feb 7)

(which means he shows reponsibility for Singapore.)

Side: Yes of course!
Shaun Disputed
2 points

He only appointed, what else did he do? Farquhar had helped SIngapore so much, example the rat and centipede problem

Side: No, it should be.....
3 points

1.Raffles was the first one to find the land and take the initiative to make it his,thus i think that Raffles is the founder as he was the first one to made the land be known.

Side: Yes of course!
3 points

By making Singapore a British settlement, he attracted many foreigners to settle in Singapore. With his far-sightedness, he also declared Singapore a free port, encouraging and increasing trade.

Side: Yes of course!
charmainetan(9) Disputed
3 points

He might have did all these but Farquhar was behind the scenes helping Singapore develop.

Side: No, it should be.....
3 points

2.Although Raffles did not stay in Singapore for very long, he went overseas to learn more about other countries to bring Singapore up in the future.

Side: Yes of course!
3 points

Raffles did more work for Singapore in 200 odd days compared to Farquhar that stayed in Singapore for 58 months.

Side: Yes of course!
charmainetan(9) Disputed
2 points

Farquhar only stayed for 58 months because he got sacked by Raffles.

Side: No, it should be.....
Ianharijanto(4) Disputed
2 points

Cause farquhar did not follow raffles ideal plan for Singapore

Side: Yes of course!
Patadarren(2) Disputed
1 point

but did Raffles do anything more important than what Farquhar did?

Side: No, it should be.....
3 points

Raffles managed to make Singapore earn $400,000 in trade within a short period of time.

Side: Yes of course!
JenniferTay(40) Disputed
4 points

What is the evidence? Can you cite examples of where the money came from?

Side: No, it should be.....
Deepika(10) Disputed
2 points

Even though Raffles managed to raise $400,000 for Singapore,Farquar was the one who helped talk to the locals to do up the groundwork

Side: No, it should be.....
kevinteng13(12) Disputed
1 point

What is the point of this question?

If R did not raise the money how could F do all the work.

Side: Yes of course!
seanloh(10) Disputed
1 point

But why did F have to resort to so many things to keep Singapore going depite having 400 thousand where did the money go?

Side: No, it should be.....
2 points

Raffles is widely known compared to Farquhar. He also has many roads, items, buildings, places, etc. named after him as compared to Farquhar.

Side: Yes of course!
masonsim098(18) Disputed
3 points

He took credit for all the work that Farquhar did, Farquhar tried many different ways to improve the living conditions of the people but Raffles only dreamt big but did not do anything.

Side: No, it should be.....
benedict331(9) Disputed
2 points

Wrong.Farquhar might be forced to help Singapore flourish by Raffles because Raffles was his boss.Raffles longed and thirsted to stay in Singapore but he didn 't as He was forced to go to Bencoolen to work there by the british company.

Side: Yes of course!
charmainetan(9) Disputed
2 points

But that does not mean he did more work right? He only became more popular due to the fact his supporters won an argument between them and Farquhar's supporters.

Side: No, it should be.....
Rhea(12) Disputed
2 points

But that simply means that he had more supporters and valid reasons to win the argument. You cannot just win an argument without reasons..

Side: Yes of course!
2 points

Raffles wanted Singapore to be a British colonised group with law and order.Even though he sent William to SIngapore and did not stayed in Singapore as much as William Farquhar did, but he attracted British people to contribute to singapore.

Side: Yes of course!
2 points

He also made Singapore look better in the eyes of the superiors as he had lots of knowledge in that place and thus when the superiors came to places in southeast Asia. Raffles would be the one to tell them about it, and as he was the founder of modern Singapore, it would make Singapore look better.

Side: Yes of course!
2 points

Raffles was controlling opium and gambling in another country and he also did not want to make gambling a part of Singapore and did not put that in his plans for Singapore, thus when Raffles came back he immediately fired Farquhar as it was not the ideal state that he wanted Singapore too be in

Side: Yes of course!
2 points

Raffles paid Farquhar and put Farquhar in charge to manage singapore while he is busy with his work.This shows that Raffles Cared for the welfare of SIngapore and wanted Singapore to expand.

Side: Yes of course!
Shaun Disputed
1 point

What did Raffles do anyway? He left the job to Farquhar and escaped to Bencoolen. He didnt care at all!

Side: No, it should be.....
Rhea(12) Disputed
1 point

If he didn't care, he wouldn't have come to Singapore anyway. He wouldn't have left Farquhar in charge. If he didn't care, he wouldn't have come back.

Side: Yes of course!
2 points

Even when Raffles was in charge of Java that was a bigger place, he was still concern about Singapore and thought that he should establish a base there to protect the country as he saw a good opportunity for Singapore to fly.

Side: Yes of course!
2 points

Raffles was the one leading the survey for the possibility of a new British Site.

(If he did not go on the search Singapore may not be founded.)

Side: Yes of course!
2 points

Raffles was the one who bought the land for the British East India Company, Which became a bustling port.

( He made the people living there better in many ways.)

Side: Yes of course!
masonsim098(18) Disputed
3 points

Yes Raffles was the one who discovered Singapore, but Farquhar was left in charge of all aspects of running the country,defenses and more.

Side: No, it should be.....
2 points

He placed Farquhar there to expand and colonize singapore.He left for Bencoolen as he was sent there.agreed.

Side: Yes of course!
2 points

Raffles only fired Faquhar as what Faquhar did was not in his plans for Singapore and if this news would leak out it would be harmful to the reputation of Singapore even though it had a wonderful port, if the hygiene there was terrible nobody would come and the chances for Singapore to fly would be bad

Side: Yes of course!
2 points

The sultan Hussein was consulted by Raffles and a treaty was agreed upon.Thereafter, the British Flag was raised.

Raffles was the one who had drawn the plan.William just followed it.Raffles made everything easier for William to work on. William Farquhar only did the groundwork.Raffles did the talking, which was helpful in making relations with the Sultan.Without him , Singapore will not be what it is now.

Side: Yes of course!
masonsim098(18) Disputed
1 point

But Farquhar was the one who negotiated with the temmengong, convincing them to sign the treaty with raffles.

Side: No, it should be.....
Siddharth(10) Disputed
1 point

It was actually both of them..BUT who came out with idea of doing so..RAFFLES!

Side: Yes of course!
2 points

video of raffles coming to singapore showing that he is more recognised in singapore compared to farquhar

we live in singapura
Side: Yes of course!
1 point

Raffles should be the founder as he was the one that signed the official document with the sultan of singapore. so i believe that he is the rightful founder of singapore

Side: Yes of course!
Deepika(10) Disputed
2 points

But F was the one who arranged the meetings between R and the sultan.He did the small details to help ensure everything went the right way.

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

Raffles drafted the first constitution for Singapore. A founder has to be able to be intelligent and start up something new to the land.

Side: Yes of course!
Shaun Disputed
1 point

However, Faquhar was the one who really helped with it. Leading the project does not mean he's the founder if he does'nt do anything.

Side: No, it should be.....
Siddharth(10) Disputed
1 point

Raffles was the who had planned for everything.Farquhar just obeyed R's orders.

Side: Yes of course!
Shaun Disputed
1 point

A founder is a person who does all the work, not the person who discovers the land

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

Yeah futhermore Raffles did not do much on the 9 days he was here.

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

If Raffles was there without Faquhar i would think he would solve these problems as he already took the initiative to make Singapore famous, and he had the overall view for Singapore and what it was going to become in the future.

Side: Yes of course!
masonsim098(18) Disputed
1 point

But R only dreamt about the big things for Singapore, he did not help with the little things like the living condition for the people which Farquhar took care of.

Side: No, it should be.....
Ianharijanto(4) Disputed
1 point

But he wanted to see the overall picture and took care of the more important events, it is not possible for a person to do the huge thing are the tiny ones at the same time.

Side: Yes of course!
seanloh(10) Disputed
1 point

He may have had many ideas but he had no intentions to carry them out by himself.

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

He was the first one to set foot on Singapore, so therefore he should be the rightful founder on Singapore while Faquhar only helped him in building Singapore.

Side: Yes of course!
masonsim098(18) Disputed
1 point

So if you step foot on something first, you are the founder? No it does not. Raffles did step foot first but he only did that while Farquhar made improvements to the coutry.

Side: No, it should be.....
seanloh(10) Disputed
1 point

It was Faquahr who step down 1st in the 1st place not Raffles.

Side: No, it should be.....
charlenetan(6) Disputed
1 point

there athen if that is the case, the malasian are the rightful founder of Singapore because were in Sinagpore first!

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

he was the first that set foot in singapore so he should be the one that is the founder of singapore

Side: Yes of course!
charlenetan(6) Disputed
1 point

So then the malays are the rightful founder of Singapore. The malays set foot in Singapore first.

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

Raffles sailed to Malacca in late 1818 to personally secure a British presence in the Riau area, especially Singapura, which was favoured by him both through the readings of Malayan histories and by Farquhar's explorations.

Side: Yes of course!
1 point

when Raffles did not think Farquahars plan of singapore was not good enough. he was the one that sketched the whole thing again

Side: Yes of course!
charlenetan(6) Disputed
1 point

You can anyhow take a good plan out just to show you are better.......... Raffles must have taken some ideas from the orginal plan

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

So if Farquhar did not sketch the plan, Raffles must have sketched an entirely new plan that would change Singapore.

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

From a mere fishing village not known to the other far developed countries, Sir Stamford Bingley Raffles saw potential in this fishing village and sought to develop it into a thriving port and settlement. Without him, who knows, Singapore might still be a poorly-developed island. I feel that we ought to honour and remember him in years to come. Not only has he made our island prosper, he also established an institution for higher education and abolished illegal public gambling, slavery and cock-fighting. I highly admire Raffles' foresightedness in all things that he do, taking into consideration the development and views of our people.

Side: Yes of course!
1 point

Farquhar is the founder of Singapore. Without Farquhar, who would fill in the large broad lines Raffles drew? Who would have put Raffles' plans into reality? Not me. He spent 58 months, but Raffles, the "ever present" father spends a great 200 odd days in Singapore. Also, many of the letters sent to Raffles from Farquhar went unanswered for months! Thus, Farquhar was not to blame for the allowance of social vices as Raffles, if a true founder, did not even instruct Farquhar on what to do abput the falling amount of funds.

Side: Yes of course!
1 point

Duhhh. As in Raffles established the city from scratch, which shows that he cares for his people, unlike Farquhar who only followed Raffles.

Side: Yes of course!
0 points

Which proves that Raffles had better reasons because his supporters won the argument.

Side: Yes of course!
0 points

Raffles was the one that split singapore into three different parts so as to prevent racism

Side: Yes of course!
JenniferTay(40) Disputed
3 points

How is this relevant to him be qualifying as a founder? Did this policy work for Singapore eventually? Please explain.

Side: No, it should be.....
Rhea(12) Disputed
1 point

It worked because Singapore is now a multi-racial society. Also, racism is a very serious offense here.

Side: Yes of course!
masonsim098(18) Disputed
2 points

But then, he should try to let the people live together peacefully to make Singapore a Multi-Racial society that can live together peacefully.

Side: No, it should be.....
seanloh(10) Disputed
2 points

How do you proof that it was Raffles who came up with the idea i mean maybe it was from his bosses or something.

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

Yesh. Agreed! :)))) Lalalala sorry need waste 50 characters LOL

Side: Yes of course!
6 points

The next day on 7 Febuary 1819, which Raffles appointed Farquhar as Singapore’s first Resident to develop the country according to a specific plan Raffles drawn up, Farquhar was left to do the job when Raffles left Singapore. Farquhar was left to manage the colony without Raffles, an absence lasting for 4 years

Side: No, it should be.....
5 points

He spent the next 15 years successfully running that colony despite considerable difficulties without the help of Raffles for 4 years.

Side: No, it should be.....
wilburhoong(7) Disputed
4 points

while raffles was away, farquhar did not do a good job and when raffles came back and saw singapore in such a mess, he sacked him.

Side: No, it should be.....
LerHow(5) Disputed
3 points

However, Faquhar did a good job in improving the economy and business in Singapore

Side: No, it should be.....
kevinteng13(12) Disputed
2 points

Who are you referring to Stamford Raffles or William Farquhar ?

Side: Yes of course!
Ianharijanto(4) Disputed
2 points

He only Maintained the land but did not take the initiative to implement new rules put in new attractions or publicize the land while Raffles had already thought of all this.

Side: Yes of course!
4 points

William Farquhar was the first resident and commandent from 1819 to 1823.Thus,he is more loyal to Singapore since he also helped drastically in the improvement of Singapore and put it to work.

Side: No, it should be.....
benedict331(9) Disputed
3 points

But if Raffles did not sign the formal treaty on 6 February 1819.Singapore would not be able to expand into the future Singapore and it would be under the sultan.Today,Would Singapore still be one of the busiest ports in the World or will it be a third World country?

Side: Yes of course!
charlenetan(6) Disputed
3 points

So...... Let me put this in another way, an SST teacher signs a treaty with another school, that means he/she is the principle?

Side: No, it should be.....
3 points

He was among the few that were living in Singapore at that time, trying to make Singapore better.

Side: No, it should be.....
4 points

Farquar was left to manage Singapore on the very next day.(7th Feb 1819)Thus Raffles was taking advantage of William Farquar.

Side: No, it should be.....
Rhea(12) Disputed
6 points

How was Raffles taking advantage of him? I'm sure Raffles had a valid reason to leave.

Side: Yes of course!
seanloh(10) Disputed
3 points

Sure he had a valid reason but did he help Singapore after he left?

Side: No, it should be.....
Rhea(12) Disputed
4 points

Raffles left Singapore for Bencoolen, where he was to be appointed the Lieutanent-Governer. It was an order from the headquarters, and although he tried to decline, it was rejected. He spent about a few years there before he had to go back to England because of a severe disease.

valid reason to me.

Side: Yes of course!
seanloh(10) Disputed
2 points

Where do u have proof that all this happened and Raffles was not just slacking at home.

Side: No, it should be.....
benedict331(9) Disputed
3 points

Advantage???Giving him priority is more like it.Raffles felt that Farquar has the potential,therefore,Raffles put Farquar in charge of Singapore to give him the power and unleash his potential to be a LEADER!

Side: Yes of course!
seanloh(10) Disputed
2 points

And yet he was dismissed because he had become to friendly with the natives how does that show Raffles presonality.

Side: No, it should be.....
charlenetan(6) Disputed
2 points

To make a company strong, you need a good leader, but why not have two good leaders instead of one? One to plan, one to understand want people wants. WHy couldn't Raffles work with him instead of wasting his potential? To me, that is a real waste of human resources.

Side: No, it should be.....
4 points

Raffles did not really help him in helping Singapore. he might be the master mind in creating all the plans on how Singapore should be. But farquhar was the hard-working one and did all the work. Even so, although Raffles might be the one who thought of the planning, the one with the strategies that without him, Singapore might not be where she is today, if you have the planning, but not do any of the hardwork, we would not be where we are today also.

Side: No, it should be.....
4 points

Without entering into an argument of who did more, it is clear that while the objectives and initiatives were from raffles himself, but the actual operations and implementation were left to Farquhar, in his capacity as a British Resident and Commandant of Singapore. He created things, therefore Singapore is where she is today.

Side: No, it should be.....
Rhea(12) Disputed
4 points

But, without R's ideas, would F still be able to build? Without any ideas?

Side: Yes of course!
3 points

Argument 1 Raffles was the one who set up a trading port in Singapore.

But raffles had plans for Singapore.And William Farquhar doing the groundwork doesn’t necessarily mean he cares for Singapore. He had to help Singapore in its growth as it was in his Job. William Farquhar was the one who was largely for turning Raffles’s dreams into reality. He was the one who cared and help Singapore the most.

This shows that he really cares about Singapore as if he didnt care about Singapore, he would not even take the initiative to help Singapore establish to become a better society.

Side: No, it should be.....
3 points

Imagine Singapore without Faquhar, with Raffles in charge then. There would still be an ongoing rat and centipede problem, money shortage, lack of education, lack of work and Singapore would be a really poor country. Would you want that?

Side: No, it should be.....
2 points

F was the one who offered one dollar out of his own pocket in an attempt to solve the Infestation of the pest.

Side: No, it should be.....
2 points

No i do not. Actually, without Farquhar himself to rule today, the whole world would change. Farquhar actually played an important part in the timeline.

Side: No, it should be.....
3 points

He was the one who had pulled out his own money to make a police force and get rid of the pest problems.

Side: No, it should be.....
2 points

I think Farquhar should be the rightful founder of Singapore as he did most of the plannings for Singapore

Raffles was not present for a period of time in Singapore and Farquhar took over the entire ‘project’ and Singapore could have perished entirely without Farquhar’s guidance.

Side: No, it should be.....
benedict331(9) Disputed
5 points

I disagree as who made Farquhar rise to such a rank in his country.Who made him such a respectable man?It was Raffles.

Side: Yes of course!
Siddharth(10) Disputed
4 points

But raffles had plans for Singapore.And William Farquhar doing the groundwork doesn’t necessarily mean he cares for Singapore. He had to help Singapore in its growth as it was in his Job.

Raffles was the one had planned how Singapore should be.William Farquhar just obeyed his orders.

Side: Yes of course!
2 points

Farquhar’s approach suited the locals who followed him and he managed to clear space at the north-east bank of Singapore to make land for the settlers which turned Singapore into a cosmopolitian town.

Side: No, it should be.....
2 points

William Farquhar Helped negotiate the provisional agreement of 30 jan 1819 with the local Temenggong.and the more formal treaty of Singapore on 6 feb 1819.

Side: No, it should be.....
2 points

It is due to the fact that Raffles’ supporters wanted Raffles to be the main founder of Singapore. They started an argument with Farquhar’s supporters but they won in the end.

Side: No, it should be.....
Rhea(12) Disputed
3 points

Which proves that Raffles had more supporters and had better reasons which eventually made him win.

Side: Yes of course!
seanloh(10) Disputed
2 points

but raffles's supporters were in his own country while the people in Singapore supported Farquahar.

Side: No, it should be.....
2 points

He was at Singapore to control the island while Raffles was away in Bencoolen.

Side: No, it should be.....
wilburhoong(7) Disputed
4 points

he did not do a good job and when raffles came back, he sacked farquhar

Side: Yes of course!
Ianharijanto(4) Disputed
3 points

He had no choice but to go there. So it is not his fault.

Side: Yes of course!
Rhea(12) Disputed
3 points

He had no choice. He had to go to Bencoolen. It wasn't his choice to go there.

Side: Yes of course!
kevinteng13(12) Disputed
1 point

So whose fault was it then ?

Raffles or William Faquhar ?

Side: No, it should be.....
2 points

This video shows the history of singapore clearly.................

Raffles vs F
Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

Farquar was Raffles’s Assistant.If Raffles founded Singapore,and Farquar was a wittness,then it s also valid that William Farquar was a founder of Singapore.

Side: No, it should be.....
kevinteng13(12) Disputed
3 points

Farquhar was only Raffles assistant, without him starting the search he might not even find and colonize Singapore.

Side: Yes of course!
1 point

Yes affirmative.The search was by Raffles and Farquhar was only his assistant.Raffles set about drafting a set of new policies for the settlement. He also organized Singapore into functional and ethnic subdivisions under the Raffles Plan of Singapore. Today, remnants of this organization can still be found in the ethnic neighborhoods.

Side: Yes of course!
1 point

Farquhar did most of the work, and he has done well for being 4 years independent

Side: Yes of course!
wilburhoong(7) Disputed
2 points

Even though u say that Farquhar was his assistant but Raffles together with Farquah was the one that found singapore so you are saying that Farquahar was the founder of singapore because he was there. then the whole crew there can be considered as the founder but why only these two peoples names are remembered

Side: Yes of course!
Jieyi(9) Disputed
1 point

Why do you say that? Being a founder doesn't only mean finding a land, he must also be able to start up one, plan things and get activities going on in the area.

Side: Yes of course!
manjunjie(1) Disputed
1 point

If Farqhuar was a founder when he is a witness, all the witnesses during the founding of Singapore are founders too?

Side: Yes of course!
manjunjie(1) Disputed
1 point

If Farqhuar was a founder when he is a witness, all the witnesses during the founding of Singapore are founders too?

Side: Yes of course!
1 point

Raffles went to Bencoolen in February 1819, about a few months after founding Singapore. Whereas Faquhar stayed on and lived in Singapore.

Side: No, it should be.....
wilburhoong(7) Disputed
1 point

But raffles was forced by the british colany to go to bencoolen he had no choice at all, so it was not his fault.

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

Raffles betrayed Singapore, by firing Faquhar after all the work he had done. What did Raffles even do? Well, he founded Singapore then nothing, only for the glory. Whereas Faquhar had solved all Singapore’s problems and development.

Side: No, it should be.....
Rhea(12) Disputed
1 point

Provide some examples as to how? He did not betray Singapore. He had a valid reason to left. If not he wouldn't have come to Singapore in the first place.

Side: Yes of course!
kevinteng13(12) Disputed
1 point

F was doing more harm to Singapore in the first place, explain how by Firing F makes F the founder of Singapore.

Side: Yes of course!
1 point

Farquhar is the rightful owner as he was the one who had done the groundwork in Singapore and had bothered to help Singapore such as pulling money out of his own pocket to help Singapore in tough times while Raffles just treated Singapore as a island which would give him revenue.

Side: No, it should be.....
wilburhoong(7) Disputed
1 point

Raffles has created many rules to help support singapore's peace he did not just treat singapore as an island. he did many things to develop singapore

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

Raffles betrayed Singapore, by firing Faquhar after all the work he had done. What did Raffles even do? Well, he founded Singapore then nothing, only for the glory. Whereas Faquhar had solved all Singapore’s problems and development.

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

Even so Raffles had to go to Bencoolen, after all the hard work that Farquhar put into Singapore, Raffles was not appreciative and dismissed him eventually.

Side: Yes of course!
2 points

I agree with that. Raffles could have praised Farquhar or give Farquhar a pay raise when Raffles came back from Bencoolen.

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

Once when Singapore had an centpede and rats problem, Faquhar helped greatly by awarding people who killed centipedes or rats, whereas Raffles did not care at all, did nothing.

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

He told his boss that Singapore was right for a trading port, thus the British was interested in Singapore. If he didn't do that, Singapore will never be colonized

Side: No, it should be.....
seanloh(10) Disputed
1 point

If Raffles had not done it maybe others or f would have done it.

Side: Yes of course!
1 point

Once when Singapore had an centpede and rats problem, Faquhar helped greatly by awarding people who killed centipedes or rats, whereas Raffles did not care at all, did nothing.

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

In spite of the burdens that Farquhar for the first 4 years, it was told that Farquhar set to work at once to implement Raffles instructions.

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

In one instance, Farquhar used a portion set aside by Raffles as government land around the Singapore River for merchants to use under pressure from influential traders who would have withdrawn their businesses from Singapore. On another instance, Farquhar allowed taxes from gambling and opium as a source of revenue even though Raffles was against such vices. Both instances of disagreement were out of the tight budget which seems to be due to Raffles’ refusal to increase funding.

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

After F got fired, he went home to England and consulted with the court.In the end after the court reviewed every thing F and R said, they found that F was correct and so R had to pay back the money he used.

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

When Raffles fired Farquhar, the people in Singapore bid Farquhar farewell in a very respectful and grand way. The people back then did not give Raffles the same respect

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

Farquhar had useful contacts with the Malaysian and knows more about the Asians while Raffles was still thinking more British

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

Raffles was the one who provided all the funds and supplies, but Farquhar was the one who used it to do good for the Country.

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

Raffles accused him of being too close to the local population, which should be how a good leader be, close to his subjects thus he can know what his people need.

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

William Farquhar as while Sir Stamford Raffles was away at Bencoolen, William Faquhar was left in charge. If the people actually encountered a problem, Farquhar would use his own money to fix the problem

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

Raffles left a few days after he "founded" Singapore,so why should be recognized for this!

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

Both Raffles and Farquhar should not be known as the "founder" of Singapore. Raffles can be considered as the brain-child of Singapore, while Farquhar as the person who set up Raffles plans accordingly.

However, Raffles was only historically present in Singapore only 3 times, Jan-Feb 1819, May-June 1819, and October 1822-June1823, altogether for a total of 10 months

Farquhar however, enabled gambling dens and opium smoking among Chinese, in which Raffles shut down

Side: No, it should be.....
1 point

Raffles was only present on Singapore during three separate occasions during the five years. How can anyone do sth useful in such a short time

Side: No, it should be.....
0 points

Without the management of Farquhar during time Raffles was away, he would not be able to make any money from the trading business.

Side: No, it should be.....
Ianharijanto(4) Disputed
3 points

Although R left and made F in charge F did not follow R ideal plan and instead went against it and use some of his own plans, that is why R fired him

Side: Yes of course!
manjunjie(1) Disputed
2 points

Raffles was the one who made Singapore a free port thus if even Farquhar was there, Singapore would not be the same as the trading port was Singapore's main income.

Side: Yes of course!
seanloh(10) Disputed
1 point

But at that time there were few boats and thus the port would not generate much money.

Side: No, it should be.....
0 points

Raffles had only worked at Singapore for a few years, and contributed little to Singapore’s upbringing.

Side: No, it should be.....
JenniferTay(40) Disputed
1 point

Why was he only in Singapore for a few years? Where was he in the meantime?

Side: Yes of course!
Shaun Disputed
1 point

He dumped all his work to Faquhar and fled to Bencoolen. He did not contribute except being the boss of Singapore

Side: No, it should be.....
Ianharijanto(4) Disputed
0 points

But he was not only in charge of Singapore, and even though he went to other places he still tried to publicize Singapore in other places.

Side: Yes of course!
Shaun Disputed
1 point

Evidence? How did he publicize, Faquhar solved the centipedes and rats problem and many others, but what did Raffles do? Publicize? Wow, how does that help Singapore? Singapore main problems then was not not widely known, but financial and housing problems.

Side: No, it should be.....
0 points

Farquhar worked for many years there and contributed a lot to Singapore, like gaining money for Singapore’s government (by introducing gambling) although that didnt worked, he still tried.

Side: No, it should be.....
Ianharijanto(4) Disputed
1 point

But when he introduced gambling was it meant for tourist or was it meant for the locals?

Side: Yes of course!
Shaun Disputed
1 point

It was clearly meant for the local's entertainment and this benefits both parties, the government by gaining money for problems and citizens for entertainment.

Side: No, it should be.....
benedict331(9) Disputed
1 point

He introduced gambling to the people of SINGAPORE.It is basically trying to impulse the addiction in them and take the money for gambling to do some other private actions.

Side: Yes of course!
seanloh(10) Disputed
3 points

If Raffles hada actually funded F in the first place he would not have to resort to such desperate measures.Furthermore how the money taken was used for Singapore the advance and not of his private actions.

Side: No, it should be.....