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Rape is about power, not lust.

Misogynists want to prove they are better/more powerful than women. Rape makes them a winner over them. 

 

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2 points

What does power mean to you? I would have thought that any action of recieving something you didn't have previously is about power just by definition of the action.

Side: Agree
1 point

In my criminal justice class we learned the whole "rape is about lust" is a myth. More often than not rape is about power.

Side: Agree
Del1176(4975) Clarified
1 point

If you think rapists are in any way powerful, as in if you believe this outside your sick sadomasochistic fantasies, then I am afraid you are mentally retarded.

Side: Agree
warrior(1854) Clarified
1 point

The major factor that leads to most rapes is the sense of power the rapeists gets from committing the act. I don't quite understand your argument but it seems like an attempt at a personal attack I would advise you not to do that as it degrades the over all quality of your argument.

Side: Agree
warrior(1854) Clarified
1 point

I never said rapists were powerful. I said its about power the rapist feels powerful when they commit rape.

Side: Agree
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I agree with the title of the debate: "Rape is about power, not lust."

I do not agree with "Misogynists want to prove they are better/more powerful than women. Rape makes them a winner over them."

Rape is not an act exclusive to men violating women. I find your statement terribly sexist and uninformed. Rape is non-consensual sexual relations (usually sexual intercourse, but semantics leave room).

Any human has the ability to rape another human or animal. It is not something only men do.

Side: Agree
casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

The same idea works the other way around when women rape men, it is like wise about power, just because he gave a specific example, doesn't mean that he believes his example to be exclusive.

Side: Disagree
riahlize(1573) Disputed
1 point

just because he gave a specific example, doesn't mean that he believes his example to be exclusive.

The process of inductive reasoning presented by the OP is incorrectly used and because of that, has lead to the implication that only misogynists rape women.

They provided a general statement as their conclusion and provided only one group that contributes to this general subject.

This is like stating that basketball is about black people, not talent. The Lakers are all black.

Now, ignoring that this is all obviously untrue, pretend, hypothetically that the "The Lakers are all black" is a true statement. This is not, in any sense, a proper way of demonstrating that the general statement is true.

Side: Agree
AryaOne(217) Clarified
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I think I disagree with my own opinion now... sexual assualts on children are purely because of lust... i guess, power and lust, any of them can be reasons for rape. But perhaps, in cases of assault on women, power (including revenge) can be more of a reason, since most of the accused are known to the victims. Also, there have been many cases where a woman had an argument with a man and he later raped her, which clearly shows revenge and a show of power.

Side: Agree
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I could easily see sexual assaults being about both lust and power. Kids are generally "easy prey". That's why we fight so hard to protect them (obviously aside from them being our own offspring).

Side: Agree

Misogynists want to prove they are better/more powerful than women. Rape makes them a winner over them.

Please try and keep stuff statements like that where they belong, on tumblr.

1. You don't have to be a man to rape.

2. You don't have to hate women to rape.

3. Rape is forced sex, thus, most of the time it has to do with sexual desires.

Side: Disagree
BenWalters(1513) Disputed
2 points

Points 1 & 2 had nothing to do with the original question, only the comment put within the debate.

Point 3 had not actual argument - you simply said that rape is forced sex, so it's about sex. I could just as easily say that rape is forced sex, so it's forcing people (power).

Not saying that you're wrong (I've seen this claim a lot, and I can't say I'm completely convinced by it), but at least make your arguments put forward a claim, or some form of actual argument.

Side: Agree
1 point

Up voted and everything I would reply to this.

I just want to add this:

4. You don't have to rape women to be a rapist.

Side: Disagree
casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

Rape isn't sex through, physically the body responds differently to it as does the mind, they consist of different processes.

Thus Rape isn't forced "sex", there is no sex in rape.

Sex is inherently a mutual/ at least semi-consenting thing as well, deny that and no amount of forcing will make it sex.

Side: Agree
Del1176(4975) Disputed
1 point

"there is no sex in rape."

That made my fucking day.

Side: Disagree
1 point

Not, really for example in Islamic countries it's an acceptable punishment for women not wearing enough loose cloth around her.

Side: Disagree
casper3912(1581) Clarified
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Isn't your argument on the wrong side then ?

Side: Agree

Rape is about both, they sexually get off from the power I suspect.

Side: Disagree
1 point

Its about both lust and power and many more sinister things...its about control, sometimes hatred, evil desires, I shouldn't know :)

Side: Disagree

In order to know the answer for sure, we need the thoughts of many rapists. One rapist can be different from the other.

Side: Disagree