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Religion of peace MY ASS.
In the first terrorist murder on the British mainland since the 7/7 suicide bombings of 2005, the men attempted to behead the soldier, hacking at him like a “piece of meat” in front of dozens of witnesses, before both were shot by police who took around 20 minutes to arrive.
After the killing, one of the men, believed to be a British-born Muslim convert, spoke calmly into a witness’s video phone.
One of the attackers speaks into a witnes's camera phone following the attack (ITV)
Speaking with a London accent, holding a knife and a meat cleaver and with his hands dripping with blood, he said: “We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you until you leave us alone. Your people will never be safe. The only reason we have done this is because Muslims are dying by British soldiers every day.
“We must fight them as they fight us. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. I apologise that women had to witness this today but in our lands our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your government, they don’t care about you. Do you think David Cameron is going to get caught in the street when we start busting our guns? Do you think your politicians are going to die?
It is not the entire muslim faith. It is just those people. You have radical people in every religion and you have radical non believers. What he did was wrong yes but just because he was a muslim does not mean that all muslims are like that. If you disagree please show me proof and show me what every single muslim believer thinks.
See man, in the UK, you're not going to be shot. You're more likely to be beat, raped, robbed, ran over or ran over and butchered with a cleaver. (stabbed)
This has nothing to do with you and goes back to a dispute me and him had elsewhere so stay out of it newbie. He declared me an enemy and we have a relationship. You know very little.
Islam is never a religion of peace. If one ever find out the early history of Islam by Muhammad...it is always offensive..not defensive as they ever claimed.
One need to know the history, the Quran and Hadith ~ to find out what it is actually.
All the Islam preachers and Iman only preach the good side of the quran and hiding the dark side of it.
Most people (including Muslim) that say Islam is religion of peace, is people who never read the Koran and hadith and the Islam history.........or they are just in denial..denying all the cruelty and absurdities in the Qoran.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 46, Number 717:
Narrated Ibn Aun:
...Muhammad had SUDDENLY attacked Bani Mustaliq WITHOUT WARNING while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn 'Umar had told him the above narration and that Ibn 'Umar was in that army.
See...its not defensive..its offensive. They steal and rob for their incomes.
and look at this...the typical attitude of them when they are offended.
Their parents werent muslim though and they had converted to Islam so is your problem with them race or religion either way its a bigoted attitude, and there is no such thing as a true Briton any more we are a mongrel race, I'm from Catholic Irish heritage should I go live in Ireland because you know what those Irish catholics are like.
he is right you know. there is no true Britons. those would be the Celts. The Anglo Saxons are the closest thing England has to an original people because they invaded and mostly killed off the poor Celts. and if you look at the paintings of the old Celts their not exactly "white" so I find it laughable when people say that all these "non-white" people are not British, as if the "white" people are themselves were. its just pure and stupid Racism.
My own family goes back to the Normans and 1066. so my family also comes from a foreign family even it is way back then. I bet you wouldn't have asked my family to go back to Normandy just because I was not one of our precious Britons, all because you clearly have a problem with Race and not religion.
What happened in Woolwich was horrific and wrong but you cannot blame all of Islam because of the actions of two misguided lunatics, if they killed him to steal his watch the crime would be just as horrific but you wouldn't blame all black people and label them all killers and thieves, not all Catholics are labelled Peadophiles because of the actions of some sick priests, or label all Catholics Terrorists because of the actions of the IRA, or all White people racist because of the actions of the Ku Klux Klan so labelling all Muslims terrorists and evil is wrong and will lead to more trouble, if you want to see the far right and fascism back in power keep on this road of blaming all Muslims for the action of some misguided individuals, after all it worked for Hitler.
You are using the actions of a minority of extremists to condemn those several hundreds of millions of Muslims, surely using this logic the actions of a minority of catholic priests and catholic terrorists would make the several hundreds of millions of Catholics in the world paedophile terrorists, its stupid I know but then so is condemning all Muslims the majority of whom are law abiding because there is a minority who are extremists.
Using your logic all Americans are neo Nazis who like blowing people up because of the actions of Timothy McVeigh or are racists who like hanging black people because of the actions of the Klu Klux Klan, still think the majority should be blamed for the actions of a twisted minority?
the 40% minority is still a huge number of freaks and there is no compensation of any kind, they do not bring any skills, live in the lowest level of society...
Ok ignore the arguments that refute yours and uncovers your bigotry and there is no proof that 40% of Muslims are terrorists. You think they bring no skills and live in the lowest levels of society, tell that to the Doctors, Dentists and lawyers etc that are Muslims.
There are a lot of Muslim doctors and dentists etc in the UK, a lot of the went to university and became qualified in the UK, just because their Muslim does not mean they gained their qualifications in the middle east
Oh no, a Muslim killed a Christian. I suppose we should totally get rid of the Muslims in this country and ban them forever, n'est pas?
Nein Nein Nein!
A christian does the same thing, kills some Afghanistany, civilian or not, because they're " the enemy" and he's a hero. Because he's one of us, that makes it alright. "But when them Paki bastards come over 'ere 'n start killin' our boys, they can fuck off back to mussy land they can, yeah kill the bastards!" Again, no, no no no NO! Learn to live with each other, this guy did something wrong, he should be condemned, not his whole religion. Of course he did wrong and I am not just blaming the racists, it's equally the extremists fault. But all I am saying is, learn to fucking live with each other!
this man has a valid point. but I guess the people he mentions, the extremists and the racists will overlook his wisdom because that's the way they work.
But if he did a wrong act in the name of his religion, it is the job of said religion to condemn his acts, and to disaffiliate themselves. No attempt has been made from what i have seen, but if you can find some articles or videos from me i would be happy to change my stance.
You've ignored a lot of my previous arguments and say something vague about what immams say in public and private are different like you'd know!! How do you explain the 5000 Muslims gathering at Morden Mosque to say prayers for Lee Rigby?
He's right though. The government doesn't really care about you. They have their own agendas and reasons for being in office. Some even under the instruction of other countries. I mean, he wasn't going after the citizens. He was going after the soldiers. Plus, the war is currently targeting Muslims which at least I would think puts all Muslims at war if they choose to be. I actually think his actions might be justified.
Right or wrong you don't cut a mans head off in the street just because you disagree with them, Muslims are pushing it, I mean really pushing it, they are going to piss off the wrong government and have some god-dam nukes dropped on all of there Muslim nations, killing men women and children, just watch wait and see, we all ready know we will do it.
America dropped 2 nukes on Japan for less, the only reason they are getting away with this shit is because of the people that they so hate protecting there religious freedom but there will comes a time were we are going to say Fuck it, Muslims are animals and the world would be safer without them kind living.
I agree! Does anyone remember the puritans? They were the religion seeking religious freedom in the new world...the only problenm was, you just better follow their religion or they will kill you! It seems like the Muslims extremists are following the same rules...don't persecure us, we want religious freedom, be we will kill you if you don't become like us!
I agree with you here Andy. No one under any circumstance should ever push a religion on anybody. It's not right. Muslim extremists are following the same rules, but then again I don't know if I can believe it's the Muslim faith that is actually at the root of this evil. It has come out recently that Obama is the current global head of Al Qaeda.
But, in context this man wasn't making any bold claims like "join us or die". Infact, George Bush is more guilty of this. He was saying this war has got to stop and the government was to blame.
From the words of the Great Obi Won Kanobi "Only a sith deals in absolutes" -Starwars Ep. 3
America dropped 2 nukes on Japan for less, the only reason they are getting away with this shit is because of the people that they so hate protecting there religious freedom but there will comes a time were we are going to say Fuck it, Muslims are animals and the world would be safer without your kind living.
First of all, those nukes were dropped on japan for far worse then this. The Japanese leader at the time... LEADER. Refused to surrender and end the war and the japanese were willing to send every man into the battle field. So The States nuked a city. Still the Japanese refused to back down. They nuked another one. The japanese leader said... Okay, you've made your point. You win.
Right or wrong you don't cut a mans head off in the street just because you disagree with them
You're actually wrong here as well. This man didn't just disagree with them. Like I said, the war is against Muslims. Not Arabs. Technically, any Muslim you encounter is a warring faction and not all of them are attacking people. You should consider this generosity before you start labeling all Muslims as shit. 9/11 was an inside job and 90% Americans agree that the official story doesn't make any sense. I know these are british folk but, it's the result of the same war. If you want some peace. end the war. For two buildings the states and the brits have destroyed a large amount of cities, removed country leaders and, scrambled to secure as much oil and natural resources for themselves as possible. I'm not one for having people hack peoples heads off in the street but, common. You're still waving flags you shouldn't be waving just because you feel it's wrong.
I think I am just sick of being politically correct and tolerating peoples religions, I am fed up with all religions and there stupidly at this point, it's really grown into a deep hate.
I know my history I was making a exaggerated point and I know all of the conspiracies, 9/11 inside job, shadow government all that crap that's blown out of proportion, Yes I know America is Evil, Yes I know Euro is too but so is every other nation, America is just the best at it,that's the world we live in, it's kill or be killed and as much I as I hate America I wouldn't live anywhere else, I would be dead if I lived in any of those Muslim worlds for shooting my mouth off about religion lol.
Like I said I am just fed up with religions negative effects on people and the world.
9/11 was an inside job and 90% Americans agree that the official story doesn't make any sense.
I don't care if 100% of Americans agree that the stories don't make sense, all of the evidence that we have gathered over a dozen years points to several Islamic radicalists who hijacked a plane.
If you want some peace. end the war.
What war, the one against the Terrorist organization that brutalizes its enemies as well as its neighbors? Or those who are not radical enough to fight?
I don't care if 100% of Americans agree that the stories don't make sense, all of the evidence that we have gathered over a dozen years points to several Islamic radicalists who hijacked a plane.
Okay, then please explain to me how a plane can disintegrate on impact yet leave some plastic I.D cards and passports at the scene of the crime. If you can't then I'm going to disregard this argument as an emotional impulse to try to discredit the truth.
What war, the one against the Terrorist organization that brutalizes its enemies as well as its neighbors? Or those who are not radical enough to fight?
Actually, if you look at the statistics ever since the war on terror started terrorism has increased 10 fold. You are losing the war.
Okay, then please explain to me how a plane can disintegrate on impact yet leave some plastic I.D cards and passports at the scene of the crime.
Any documentation on this? If not I still have a valid argument.
Actually, if you look at the statistics ever since the war on terror started terrorism has increased 10 fold. You are losing the war.
I agree that aggression is unsuccessful but what other choice do we have? If I want to live in a place where I am free from worrying about being killed by extremists who are unafraid to commit acts of senseless violence how do I protect MYSELF?
This one in particular is referring to the same crash I was talking about but even more miraculously a bandana survives the crash but, no bodies, and for the most part no plane.
I agree that aggression is unsuccessful but what other choice do we have? If I want to live in a place where I am free from worrying about being killed by extremists who are unafraid to commit acts of senseless violence how do I protect MYSELF?
I don't know but, usually when one way of thinking isn't working and is making things worse the logical thing to do is to change what you are doing to something that does work.
I was referring to the two that collided with the North and South tower, as for flight 93 i don't know very much about that, which is sad due to the lack of information posted about it. Although a thought comes to mind that it is possible that the plane was shot by a missile either from the air or ground to prevent it from crashing in populated areas.
But, the official story states it crashed and all military was ordered to perform a drill or to stand down. Yeah, but, I wasn't referring to the two that collided with the towers. Flight 93 is the plane that crashed and apparently disintegrated on impact. The one that hit the pentagon apparently did the same thing and the ones that hit the towers nobody knows about because the mayor of New York commissioned the disposal of all the evidence before anyone got a real chance to look at it.
I don't care if 100% of Americans agree that the stories don't make sense, all of the evidence that we have gathered over a dozen years points to several Islamic radicalists who hijacked a plane.
I can see why you don't care, hell you bearly know how to defend yourself because you hardly know anything about 9/11 which is sad because you're defending the war that was a result from this and it pisses me right off that you would even change the official story just to try to leverage some credibility to your argument... AAAAAAARRGHHHHHHHHHH!
The Klu Klux Klan used to say the same about Blacks being animals, you believe that nuking Muslim nations will wipeout Muslim extremism what about the Jews and other people that live in and next to these nations what's that collateral damage? What about Muslims that live in other countries hang them from lamposts? Do you have a white hood and cloak in your closet?
So you believe in using more extremism to combat extremism that will only give rise to more extremism and makes you no better than the people you hate.
The government does not feed you most of your life. The farmers and agricultural industry does. The government regulates, taxes and proposes war as your representative. Also, most people work for a living and feed themselves.
Okay, you're making some bold claims here. They live on welfare/benefits Some do live off welfare, which is why I said "most people work for a living and feed themselves".
as for these freaks rarely works. Do you know these two Muslims personally and/or every detail in the life of those that do perpetrate crimes like this?
Your using the Daily Mail to get your facts!!! Good luck that "newspaper" is famous for printing lies, being racist and Islamaphobic that's like going to a Christian website for an unbiased view on Jesus.
Your using the Daily Mail to get your facts!!! Good luck that "newspaper" is famous for printing lies, being racist and Islamaphobic that's like going to a Christian website for an unbiased view on Jesus
I assume that if I would say Telegraph, or whatever else your reply would be same...
The Daily Mail is no better than the red top newspapers, if anything its worse because it tries to hide behind a cloak of decency, the Telegraph is not as reliable as it used to be but is better than the Mail. None of the British news media in fact I'd go as far as to say world media is exactly trustworthy, I say take everything you read with a pinch of salt but also go out and try and experience the world with an open mind and somewhere between the lines and the cracks you might find the truth but don't expect to find the truth in a newspaper because the truth rarely sells.
your my ass! get off your high pedestal and face reality. every group; religious, political, racial and cultural will have extremists! its as simple as that.
it depends on the situations. I think Christians looked pretty bad to everyone else during the crusades. the Islam will not always have this problem and reputation.
There may be many "untrue" Muslims but they are as despised by normal Muslims as they are by non Muslims, if people can see past the all Muslims are terrorists thing they would find out that Muslims dislike extremists as much as non Muslims do, if people could see past the hate they would realise that there are allies within the Muslim community against the extremists
They will not stop, you are literary evil for them. On you tube are plenty videos, taped Mosques, you would be surprised what are they being told about us.
So if two extremists killing a white soldier in Woolwich make all Muslims terrorists all white people must be racist islamaphobes. In the same area last night members of the EDL tried to start a race riot and went on a spree of vandalising and setting fire to Mosques.
Does that sound reasonable are all whites racist Islamaphobes?