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Time to stop being nice. Freedom of religion.
Debate Score:94
Arguments:76
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Religion of peace MY ASS.

In the first terrorist murder on the British mainland since the 7/7 suicide bombings of 2005, the men attempted to behead the soldier, hacking at him like a “piece of meat” in front of dozens of witnesses, before both were shot by police who took around 20 minutes to arrive.

After the killing, one of the men, believed to be a British-born Muslim convert, spoke calmly into a witness’s video phone.


One of the attackers speaks into a witnes's camera phone following the attack (ITV)

Speaking with a London accent, holding a knife and a meat cleaver and with his hands dripping with blood, he said: “We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you until you leave us alone. Your people will never be safe. The only reason we have done this is because Muslims are dying by British soldiers every day.

“We must fight them as they fight us. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. I apologise that women had to witness this today but in our lands our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your government, they don’t care about you. Do you think David Cameron is going to get caught in the street when we start busting our guns? Do you think your politicians are going to die?

 

Time to stop being nice.

Side Score: 47
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Freedom of religion.

Side Score: 47
2 points

Islam has nothing to offer that can do less backward religions. It's a threat, nothing more.

Side: Time to stop being nice.
2 points

It is not the entire muslim faith. It is just those people. You have radical people in every religion and you have radical non believers. What he did was wrong yes but just because he was a muslim does not mean that all muslims are like that. If you disagree please show me proof and show me what every single muslim believer thinks.

Side: Freedom of religion.
link6065(740) Disputed
1 point

See man, in the UK, you're not going to be shot. You're more likely to be beat, raped, robbed, ran over or ran over and butchered with a cleaver. (stabbed)

Side: Freedom of religion.
CrocoDuck(28) Disputed
1 point

What's the point here ?

Side: Time to stop being nice.
2 points

It's a barbaric religion .

Side: Time to stop being nice.
2 points

Islam is never a religion of peace. If one ever find out the early history of Islam by Muhammad...it is always offensive..not defensive as they ever claimed.

One need to know the history, the Quran and Hadith ~ to find out what it is actually.

All the Islam preachers and Iman only preach the good side of the quran and hiding the dark side of it.

Most people (including Muslim) that say Islam is religion of peace, is people who never read the Koran and hadith and the Islam history.........or they are just in denial..denying all the cruelty and absurdities in the Qoran.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 46, Number 717:

Narrated Ibn Aun:

...Muhammad had SUDDENLY attacked Bani Mustaliq WITHOUT WARNING while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn 'Umar had told him the above narration and that Ibn 'Umar was in that army.

See...its not defensive..its offensive. They steal and rob for their incomes.

and look at this...the typical attitude of them when they are offended.

Kill in the name of their god.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9O72-I7bnZE/TaxQjDKHgnI/AAAAAAAAABQ/g8GztJI42s0/s1600/behead-islam-violence.jpg

Fail peace?

Side: Time to stop being nice.

If they don't like it they should just go back to their shanty towns, we were kind enough to take them in.

Side: Time to stop being nice.
TheAshman(2299) Disputed
1 point

They were British born one of them was from Woolwich, check your facts.

Side: Freedom of religion.
1 point

They may of been born here but there parents weren't, they are not of British orgin.

Side: Time to stop being nice.
1 point

I see your point! I highly recommend smash karts to you. It can help you to express stress and train your racing skills.

Side: Time to stop being nice.
2 points

What happened in Woolwich was horrific and wrong but you cannot blame all of Islam because of the actions of two misguided lunatics, if they killed him to steal his watch the crime would be just as horrific but you wouldn't blame all black people and label them all killers and thieves, not all Catholics are labelled Peadophiles because of the actions of some sick priests, or label all Catholics Terrorists because of the actions of the IRA, or all White people racist because of the actions of the Ku Klux Klan so labelling all Muslims terrorists and evil is wrong and will lead to more trouble, if you want to see the far right and fascism back in power keep on this road of blaming all Muslims for the action of some misguided individuals, after all it worked for Hitler.

Side: Freedom of religion.
Nox0(1393) Disputed
0 points

...yet they did not killed him to steal his watch and also they were smearing Allahu agbar during the slaughter...

Side: Time to stop being nice.
TheAshman(2299) Disputed
1 point

That does not make all Muslims bad or Islam evil because of the actions of two extremists, are all Catholics paedophile terrorists?

Side: Freedom of religion.
2 points

Oh no, a Muslim killed a Christian. I suppose we should totally get rid of the Muslims in this country and ban them forever, n'est pas?

Nein Nein Nein!

A christian does the same thing, kills some Afghanistany, civilian or not, because they're " the enemy" and he's a hero. Because he's one of us, that makes it alright. "But when them Paki bastards come over 'ere 'n start killin' our boys, they can fuck off back to mussy land they can, yeah kill the bastards!" Again, no, no no no NO! Learn to live with each other, this guy did something wrong, he should be condemned, not his whole religion. Of course he did wrong and I am not just blaming the racists, it's equally the extremists fault. But all I am saying is, learn to fucking live with each other!

Side: Freedom of religion.
1 point

this man has a valid point. but I guess the people he mentions, the extremists and the racists will overlook his wisdom because that's the way they work.

Side: Freedom of religion.
1 point

Aaah, I'm flattered you had the kindness to call it 'wisdom', thank you!

And for future reference I'm only 15, so the whole 'man' thing may sound a little odd. But I have no complaints my self, I hate patronisation!!

Side: Freedom of religion.
xBetzy(123) Disputed
1 point

But if he did a wrong act in the name of his religion, it is the job of said religion to condemn his acts, and to disaffiliate themselves. No attempt has been made from what i have seen, but if you can find some articles or videos from me i would be happy to change my stance.

Side: Time to stop being nice.
TheAshman(2299) Disputed
2 points

I saw on the news last night immams condemning the murder and saying prayers for the guy that was murdered, it might be on BBC iPlayer or youtube

Side: Freedom of religion.
1 point

He's right though. The government doesn't really care about you. They have their own agendas and reasons for being in office. Some even under the instruction of other countries. I mean, he wasn't going after the citizens. He was going after the soldiers. Plus, the war is currently targeting Muslims which at least I would think puts all Muslims at war if they choose to be. I actually think his actions might be justified.

Side: Freedom of religion.
Warjin(1577) Disputed
1 point

Right or wrong you don't cut a mans head off in the street just because you disagree with them, Muslims are pushing it, I mean really pushing it, they are going to piss off the wrong government and have some god-dam nukes dropped on all of there Muslim nations, killing men women and children, just watch wait and see, we all ready know we will do it.

America dropped 2 nukes on Japan for less, the only reason they are getting away with this shit is because of the people that they so hate protecting there religious freedom but there will comes a time were we are going to say Fuck it, Muslims are animals and the world would be safer without them kind living.

Side: Time to stop being nice.
6 points

I agree! Does anyone remember the puritans? They were the religion seeking religious freedom in the new world...the only problenm was, you just better follow their religion or they will kill you! It seems like the Muslims extremists are following the same rules...don't persecure us, we want religious freedom, be we will kill you if you don't become like us!

Side: Time to stop being nice.
link6065(740) Disputed
1 point

Lol Where'd you get your history major?

America dropped 2 nukes on Japan for less, the only reason they are getting away with this shit is because of the people that they so hate protecting there religious freedom but there will comes a time were we are going to say Fuck it, Muslims are animals and the world would be safer without your kind living.

First of all, those nukes were dropped on japan for far worse then this. The Japanese leader at the time... LEADER. Refused to surrender and end the war and the japanese were willing to send every man into the battle field. So The States nuked a city. Still the Japanese refused to back down. They nuked another one. The japanese leader said... Okay, you've made your point. You win.

Right or wrong you don't cut a mans head off in the street just because you disagree with them

You're actually wrong here as well. This man didn't just disagree with them. Like I said, the war is against Muslims. Not Arabs. Technically, any Muslim you encounter is a warring faction and not all of them are attacking people. You should consider this generosity before you start labeling all Muslims as shit. 9/11 was an inside job and 90% Americans agree that the official story doesn't make any sense. I know these are british folk but, it's the result of the same war. If you want some peace. end the war. For two buildings the states and the brits have destroyed a large amount of cities, removed country leaders and, scrambled to secure as much oil and natural resources for themselves as possible. I'm not one for having people hack peoples heads off in the street but, common. You're still waving flags you shouldn't be waving just because you feel it's wrong.

Side: Freedom of religion.
TheAshman(2299) Disputed
1 point

The Klu Klux Klan used to say the same about Blacks being animals, you believe that nuking Muslim nations will wipeout Muslim extremism what about the Jews and other people that live in and next to these nations what's that collateral damage? What about Muslims that live in other countries hang them from lamposts? Do you have a white hood and cloak in your closet?

So you believe in using more extremism to combat extremism that will only give rise to more extremism and makes you no better than the people you hate.

Side: Freedom of religion.
link6065(740) Disputed
0 points

This war on terror is like raping a girl. (this guy being the girl) she screams STOP! STOP! STOP! and finally has enough and fights back.

And the raper strangles her because she's fighting back.

Side: Freedom of religion.
Nox0(1393) Disputed
1 point

Yeah true heroes attacks unarmed guy with knifes :D

Side: Time to stop being nice.
1 point

your my ass! get off your high pedestal and face reality. every group; religious, political, racial and cultural will have extremists! its as simple as that.

Side: Freedom of religion.
Nox0(1393) Disputed
1 point

yes but some religions has much more psychos than others :D

Side: Time to stop being nice.
Gowan(49) Disputed
1 point

it depends on the situations. I think Christians looked pretty bad to everyone else during the crusades. the Islam will not always have this problem and reputation.

Side: Freedom of religion.
1 point

True Muslims do not do those things. .

Side: Freedom of religion.
Nox0(1393) Disputed
2 points

yes but there is many "untrue" Muslims and that's the problem :D

Side: Time to stop being nice.
Sitara(11080) Clarified
2 points

I agree. .

Side: Time to stop being nice.
TheAshman(2299) Clarified
2 points

There may be many "untrue" Muslims but they are as despised by normal Muslims as they are by non Muslims, if people can see past the all Muslims are terrorists thing they would find out that Muslims dislike extremists as much as non Muslims do, if people could see past the hate they would realise that there are allies within the Muslim community against the extremists

Side: Time to stop being nice.
1 point

I say pull out the forces, take a bunch of blows until the Muslims are tired of punching.

Side: Freedom of religion.
CrocoDuck(28) Disputed
1 point

They will not stop, you are literary evil for them. On you tube are plenty videos, taped Mosques, you would be surprised what are they being told about us.

Side: Time to stop being nice.
1 point

So if two extremists killing a white soldier in Woolwich make all Muslims terrorists all white people must be racist islamaphobes. In the same area last night members of the EDL tried to start a race riot and went on a spree of vandalising and setting fire to Mosques.

Does that sound reasonable are all whites racist Islamaphobes?

Side: Freedom of religion.