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Republicans and Race

A recent poll done by Reuters/Ipsos has shown an increase in a trend that most already are familiar with: The Republican Party has difficulties appealing to racial minorities.  The most recent figures show that Hispanic affiliation with the Democratic Party at 60%, African American affiliation with the Democratic Party at 80%, and, though it isn't race, white voters under 40 identify with the Democratic Party over the Republican Party by 8%.  This is all on top of Asian Americans, who as of 2012 voted Democratic by a matter of 73%.

Considering these figures, do you believe the Republican Party will be able to remain competitive politically without appealing to minority (and to a lesser extent youth) voters, and how do you believe the Republican Party can go about doing that?

Note: I am asking about the Republican Party.  I am not looking for "Well Democrats do X yada yada yada". 
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I was recently having a discussion around this area, and someone I know stumbled upon an interesting idea.

So when liberal progressives are talking about racism, they're talking about institutional racism. They're thinking about what is called 'implicit bias,' and about the decades and centuries of hate built into our country against immigrants, and blacks, and women, and homosexuals, and so on.

And then when conservatives hear the word 'racism,' they're thinking about conscious choices and actions. FromWithin, in his KKK debate, was talking about racism and said "A person who lacks the simple intelligence and humanity to understand the stupidity of judging all people on the basis of their skin color, lacks the simple intelligence to be trusted with any issue." Clearly, he is thinking about these conscious decisions, and not the same thing.

And this idea of implicit bias is not one that the Republican party, as it stands now, is taking any action to discuss or deal with. And that's why it won't succeed, at least not in regards to social policy, or attracting these minorities.

For years, the Republican party flourished on getting the white vote in the south out of fear, utilizing these implicit biases: right now, it's driven by "You need to vote or else the illegals will keep coming and take our jobs." A similar situation was and is true in regards to blacks. And as time goes on, this is working less and less, and eventually will fail.

So I don't think the republican party, as it stands now, will be able to remain competitive, at least not in the long term. We don't know the age of the average viewer at Fox, because the companies stop reporting at a point: We just know it's 65+. And with younger Americans becoming more and more socially liberal, the current methods of the Republican party just aren't sustainable.

In my opinion.

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So when liberal progressives are talking about racism, they're talking about institutional racism. They're thinking about what is called 'implicit bias,' and about the decades and centuries of hate built into our country against immigrants, and blacks, and women, and homosexuals, and so on.

If this is true, then the above mentioned "liberals" aren't just stupid, they are mentally ill, in the clinical sense.

1.Implicit hatred towards immigrants - in a country created by immigrants? What's that? Implicit sado-masochism?

2. Bias against women and homosexuals is a form of racism? So women are a separate race, and homos are a separate race? I'd say it's a case of delirium.

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If this is true, then the above mentioned "liberals" aren't just stupid, they are mentally ill, in the clinical sense.

Because they recognize something that exists?

1.Implicit hatred towards immigrants - in a country created by immigrants? What's that? Implicit sado-masochism?

That's what makes the hatred ironic. That doesn't change the fact that it exists.

2. Bias against women and homosexuals is a form of racism? So women are a separate race, and homos are a separate race? I'd say it's a case of delirium.

He said and. You kinda missed that. When talking about institutional discrimination, bringing up women and homosexuals is relevent.

Try to be less of an ass Oats.

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1.Implicit hatred towards immigrants - in a country created by immigrants? What's that? Implicit sado-masochism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition toimmigration

I can provide a few examples, but the fact that you think this doesn't exist is a little shocking to me.

So in the 1900s, when immigrants were arriving in America in large groups, there developed a fear that these immigrants would be stealing American jobs. This is a factor that contributed to a bias against these immigrants.

A lot of bias against immigrants comes from racial tensions, which is one key factor that contributes against

And if you think this bias does not exist, why can Donald Trump say things like "When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists."

...and then go up in the polls?

2. Bias against women and homosexuals is a form of racism? So women are a separate race, and homos are a separate race? I'd say it's a case of delirium.

Those are not cases of racism, but of implicit bias.

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Everyone is a Democrat until they get their first paycheck. When you see how much is taken out for taxes it makes you think about where all that money goes. Young people will get older and wiser. The Republican party will be replaced by people who are young today who don't have the same traditional views. The Republican party in the future will not appeal to the Republicans today when they get older. But, since people always get older Republicans can continue to focus on the exact same demographic.

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While this is an often repeated claim, it doesn't really pan out as it is undermine by a rather simple fact: The United States is becoming progressively more liberal on most social issues, which means that older people started from a more Conservative point more often than not. In fact, if someone was very old, they would know that our taxes are at a relatively low point, historically speaking.

As for the second part of your post, you seem to be saying what I am thinking for the most part: that they are going to be replaced. Do you think they will still go by the "Republican Party", implying that they can gain sufficient mass to change the direction of the party? Or do you think they will make a splinter group who will simply take their place?

As for continuing to focus on the same demographic, that demographic is, for the reasons I stated in the first paragraph, becoming smaller and smaller. As a result, Republicans are having to rely on increasingly large proportional voter turn out, which can only do so much.

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I am saying that the Republican party will be more liberal in the future. And, taxes may be low, but spending is not. I only mentioned spending.

The Republican party is replaced as people die.

As for the splinter group question, I think the splinter group of the Tea Party is actually hurting them and if the Tea Party tones it down they will attract more people.

Your stats about the white vote involve the group not aging. The Republicans can appeal to the white vote with only slightly more updated ideas.

In large part, Republicans don't pander to minorities in that they don't make race an issue like the left does. The left's strategy of divide and conquer by playing the race card, sexist card, class warfare etc. has been very effective for them; it is core to liberalism.

The Republicans message is color and gender neutral in that it's up to you to help yourself, not government; self-reliance and independence is the order of the day. There are no free offers like the left, just a pull yourself up by the boot straps and get in there and git er done yourself. I think that is the best way in the long run. Apparently this philosophy doesn't appeal to minorities.

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In large part, Republicans don't pander to minorities in that they don't make race an issue like the left does.

Racial issues exist objectively. It's not a matter of politicians "making" issues out of it. That right there is a large part of why the Republican Party is incapable of getting ethnic minorities: People such as yourself don't acknowledge that truth.

The left's strategy of divide and conquer by playing the race card, sexist card, class warfare etc. has been very effective for them; it is core to liberalism.

Want me to start giving you examples of the Republican Party playing all of those cards, or do you want to admit that was not a reasonable thing to say?

The Republicans message is color and gender neutral in that it's up to you to help yourself, not government; self-reliance and independence is the order of the day. There are no free offers like the left, just a pull yourself up by the boot straps and get in there and git er done yourself. I think that is the best way in the long run. Apparently this philosophy doesn't appeal to minorities.

Ah yes of course, only us whites like self reliance.

Well, your comment may come across as woefully out of touch, but at least I can feel comfortable knowing it is yet more evidence of the decreasing political power of the Republican Party.

Edit: Now hopefully some legitimate party from the Right comes out of the woodwork because I do not want to see the Democratic Party with a power monopoly. That is a horrifying thought.

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Everything you stated contradicts reality, period. Perhaps those who don't observe, or watch the news and current events might have this warped and unrealistic view, but not those to pay attention. If you can't afford attention, I will lend you some of mine.