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yes, attempt to fix election no, assume they know best
Debate Score:23
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Revolution Over Presidential Election

There are two schools of thought going around right now. First, some think the republican party will try to overthrow Trump and put there own person in. Secondly, Clinton and the democratic party could fix the election so she gets elected...

Should it be clear they do that should the American public starts a revolution ?

yes, attempt to fix election

Side Score: 11
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no, assume they know best

Side Score: 12
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The elections are already rigged. It's been a 2 party rigged system for decades now if you didn't already know. If you actually think these two parties are not in cahoots and collusion, y'all got fooled. It's like one big company that owns the only 2 grocery stores in town. They make it look like they are pitting the 2 grocery stores against each other with price wars, but all they are doing is getting you all to go to either one because in the end, the one big company that owns both stores wins anyways.

Trump is an outsider. He's not in cahoots with these 2 parties. He just chose to run for republican and won and now they are scared as hell because they didn't expect he would even get this far. Now they are in overdrive to character assassinate him and make Hillary look like an angel. Hillary is pathological liar. That is undeniable. But the only way to make her look qualified and sane, is to make Trump look even crazier. That's what they are doing. That's why Hillary is already the President. It's rigged. Just like they did to Bernie, they will do to Trump.

Side: yes, attempt to fix election
1 point

Think about why they started the Black Lives Matter campaign. That's a political weapon they created. For what purpose? To help the democrats win because they are trying so hard (and successfully) to make Trump be a racist, and that's going to make most of the blacks not vote for him and just vote for Hillary who will kiss up to the blacks. Can't you all see how it works? You think it's just coincidence that Black Lives Matter started at the same time Trump was running? It all works together. They are hyper sensationalizing it so that it works against someone like Trump.

Side: yes, attempt to fix election
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Think about why they started the Black Lives Matter campaign. That's a political weapon they created. For what purpose? To help the democrats win because they are trying so hard (and successfully) to make Trump be a racist, and that's going to make most of the blacks not vote for him (and a large portion of the whites who are pro-black and love them) and just vote for Hillary who will kiss up to the blacks. Can't you all see how it works? You think it's just coincidence that Black Lives Matter started at the same time Trump was running? It all works together. They are hyper sensationalizing it so that it works against someone like Trump.

Side: yes, attempt to fix election
1 point

ah wth? sorry the site crashed or something and it got double posted when I refreshed the page! why isn't there a delete option ?

Side: yes, attempt to fix election
1 point

Think about why they started the Black Lives Matter campaign.

Because of decades of racial tension?

That's a political weapon they created. For what purpose?

Again, who is the "they"? You throw that word around without ever articulating who "they" is. As for the purpose? The same thing as any protest group: To fix what they perceive to be a problem.

To help the democrats win because they are trying so hard (and successfully) to make Trump be a racist, and that's going to make most of the blacks not vote for him (and a large portion of the whites who are pro-black and love them) and just vote for Hillary who will kiss up to the blacks.

That's idiotic. African Americans were voting predominantly Democratic long before Black Lives Matter, Trump can be painted as racist purely by his own quotes, and most African Americans will vote Hillary because, as I said, most affiliate with the Democratic Party already. Lastly, I'd like to see literally any evidence that "a large portion of the whites who are pro-black and love them...just vote for Hillary who will kiss up to the blacks". Do you have any idea how nonsensical that is?

Can't you all see how it works? You think it's just coincidence that Black Lives Matter started at the same time Trump was running?

They didn't. See, this is your problem; You assume that because you are ignorant of the political realities of this country, you see things more clearly. Instead, your lack of knowledge leads you to make claims that aren't factually based or accurate.

Side: no, assume they know best
1 point

The elections are already rigged. It's been a 2 party rigged system for decades now if you didn't already know. If you actually think these two parties are not in cahoots and collusion, y'all got fooled.

So prove it. If it's so obvious, it shouldn't be hard to provide evidence of this conspiracy.

It's like one big company that owns the only 2 grocery stores in town. They make it look like they are pitting the 2 grocery stores against each other with price wars, but all they are doing is getting you all to go to either one because in the end, the one big company that owns both stores wins anyways.

Can you provide an example of this actually happening? Because it makes zero economic sense.

Trump is an outsider. He's not in cahoots with these 2 parties.

You must not be familiar with his history of cozyzing up with politicians, particularly Democratics.

e just chose to run for republican and won and now they are scared as hell because they didn't expect he would even get this far. Now they are in overdrive to character assassinate him and make Hillary look like an angel.

They don't need to assassinate his character, he does that himself.

Hillary is pathological liar. That is undeniable.

As is Trump, so why do you only call Hillary out on it?

But the only way to make her look qualified and sane, is to make Trump look even crazier. T

Actually no. You can make her look qualified by stating her qualifications.

That's what they are doing. That's why Hillary is already the President. It's rigged. Just like they did to Bernie, they will do to Trump.

Hillary is already president because Trump isn't a good candidate. This isn't a conspiracy, it's actually very simple politics.

Side: no, assume they know best

We really don't need a hillbilly revolution. Trump needs to get replaced. He's destroying what's left of what will be the opposition party.

Side: no, assume they know best
1 point

I don't think referring to everyone who supports Trump is a hillbilly is the right thought. With that said, his supporters are not saying that he's the end all answer, but he is the ONLY non-politician that's running, and most all think the only way to fix congress and Washington politics in general is to get rid of all professional politicians. Not one member of Congress will ever vote to cut their pay or benefits, approve term limits.. They have the ultimate gravy train and they will ride it until they die or they are kicked off.

Side: yes, attempt to fix election
1 point

So the solution is to elect someone who has no policy experience, no Constitutional or legal understanding, flawed economic, policies, etc?

Do you know the reason we elect lawyers to make laws? Because they actually understand the law.

Side: no, assume they know best
nobodyknows(745) Disputed
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I understand that many uneducated white males have been left behind in our global economy, but voting for Trump is a hillbilly move. I don't know anyone who reads books and is also voting for Trump. They seem to be mutually exclusive. Getting rid of professional politicians won't solve anything, it will only polarize the country even more. Anyways, I don't see how an unstable ignorant narcissist is going to fix anything.

Side: no, assume they know best
1 point

I can understand the potential rigging of a Primary, but do you really think half of the government could just pull one over on the other half and have no one notice? The idea of rigging a general election would be impossible in a 1st world country such as the U.S..

Side: no, assume they know best
1 point

Not true. We are not talking about putting one over on half the government. Have many times have they proven one party will register voters that are dead and they cast votes... And they get away with it. The invention of the computer has made it far easier to cheat and manipulate votes...

Side: yes, attempt to fix election
1 point

There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud in this country.

At all.

Side: no, assume they know best
1 point

If it was clear that the election was rigged then yes, the American people would have every reason to revolt. As far as Trump goes, if you see him as that big of a negative, he would not be in the position he is currently in. The media attempts to portray him as unbalanced or crazy, but he would not be a multi-billionaire businessman with 40+ years experience if he were half as bad as people think. If the Republican party were to replace him, it would be through legal, if not ugly or semi-unethical avenues. If Clinton were to "rig" the election and it was clear to the public, a revolution should occur. Since neither will happen, we will just be stuck with another awful president.

Side: no, assume they know best
1 point

Its easy to rig everything you do in business when you have billions of dollars. What I was talking about is, if the public overwhelmingly votes for Trump then suddenly " the party " tries to figure out how to replace him... Its clear that the definition of insanity is voting for the same people over and over expecting different results.

Side: yes, attempt to fix election
1 point

No, insanity is voting for a guy who advocates war crimes and wants to bang his daughter.

Side: no, assume they know best
1 point

I've got no problem with the idea of revolution, my problem is with the fools who think they're going to lead that revolution when the truth is they don't know jack about anything. If you think reading Facebook posts and listening to conservative talking heads makes someone knowledgeable to run the free world then you're just as dangerous as Trump.

Side: no, assume they know best
1 point

Clearly a revolution to be effective for the general good would have to be run by someone trustworthy and that indeed would be difficult at best to find.

Side: yes, attempt to fix election
1 point

I don't think Trump is "unbalanced or crazy", I think he's a spoiled brat used to getting his way, and when he doesn't he does whatever he CAN to get even. Put nuclear weapons into that selection of "CAN" and he CAN BECOME unbalanced and crazy! He may run a "reality show", but he doesn't LIVE one! He IS dangerous! (And Putin thrives on danger!)

Side: no, assume they know best