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The 5th applies EVERYWHERE Clearly, person MEANS citizen
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Right wingers SAY the Constitution doesn't apply in Cuba. But, let's look at the WORDS..

Hello:

The words:  "...nor shall any PERSON be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.."

If people are persons, then the 5th applies everywhere..  But, if the founders meant CITIZENS, then the 5th ONLY applies within our shores..

What do you think the founders meant when they said "person"???  I think the founders knew the difference between persons and citizens, don't you?

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I guess the Founding Fathers could not envision 200 years later there would be idiots stupid enough to believe that everyone on the planet has our Constitutional rights. If they could have looked into the future they would have worded it differently so as to not confuse the ignorant.

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SUPER STUPID here is the 5th and you tell me how it applies to Cuba okay !

The Fifth Amendment creates a number of rights relevant to both criminal and civil legal proceedings. In criminal cases, the Fifth Amendment guarantees the right to a grand jury, forbids “double jeopardy,” and protects against self-incrimination. It also requires that “due process of law” be part of any proceeding that denies a citizen “life, liberty or property” and requires the government to compensate citizens when it takes private property for public use.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Your completely insane response is awaited !!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Clearly, person MEANS citizen
John_C_1812(136) Disputed
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Okay.

Tell me how the Fifth Amendment applies to Cuba.

Through the United States Constitution, the document a Bill of Rights with Fifth Amendment makes claims in writing to alter.

The best exception to the Fifth Amendment is made clear by the Fifth Amendment itself. “Except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of WAR or public danger;” However the Unite States Constitution still holds a Military tribunal with a code of conduct regardless of this exception.

Our issue is in the articles of United States Constitution, written before any Amendment in the Bill of Rights, by change made on Constitutional self-evident truth. The United States Constitution is a type of judicial separation, which takes place on the constitutional level. EVERY WHERE! So, yes, it is the world’s right to have, and to hold, so help them axiom of GOD, the United States Constitution. The founding Fathers wrote it specifically to offer this common defense to the general welfare of all mankind. PERIOD.

Side: The 5th applies EVERYWHERE
excon(4376) Disputed
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Hello John:

Tell me how the Fifth Amendment applies to Cuba

"...nor shall any PERSON..... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.."

Those words don't mention geography.. They mention RIGHTS.. IF the founders WANTED to limit those rights only to citizens or people INSIDE the United States, they COULD have said so. They DIDN'T, and that's NOT a mistake..

Certainly, it doesn't pertain to the Cuban government or how Cuba prosecutes its prisoners.. It DOES pertain to how the United States Government prosecutes it's prisoners.

excon

Side: Clearly, person MEANS citizen
excon(4376) Disputed
-1 points

Hello poochy:

It doesn't apply to Cuba.. It applies to us.. If the US is prosecuting people, NO MATTER where in the world they are, or where in the world they were arrested, or WHICH police force arrested them, the Constitution applies..

Oh, Bush THOUGHT the Constitution didn't apply in Cuba.. That's why he founded the prison at Gitmo.. But, when he tried to PROSECUTE the detainees, the COURTS told him that the Constitution DOES apply..

That's why MOST of 'em were NEVER convicted of anything..

Ok, poochy boy.. Enough law for today.. I tire of your antics.. Now, get this stick.

excon

Side: The 5th applies EVERYWHERE
outlaw60(8861) Clarified
3 points

SUPER STUPID says the 5th applies in Cuba now hop on your boat sail to Communist Cuba and let the Castro's know the 5th applies down there LMMFAO

Side: The 5th applies EVERYWHERE
3 points

SUPER STUPID is Cuba one of the 57 states America has according to Obama ROTFFLMMFAO

Side: Clearly, person MEANS citizen
3 points

You are a pilot SUPER STUPID you need to fly to Russia and tell Putin about the 5th ROTFFLMMFAO

Side: Clearly, person MEANS citizen
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Sorry, but the US Constitution does not extend to cover citizens of any other foreign nation. By your line of reasoning much of the Bill of Rights would be worldwide in mandate.

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When you fly to Russia after you get done with your meeting with Putin on the 5th just fly over there to Iran get with the mullahs and have a meeting on the 5th with them. Should be a successful trip for you and you can get some things done that those in government can't get done. By the way bill Trump for your fossil fuel !

Side: Clearly, person MEANS citizen
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Fly on over to Syria and Afghanistan i know the 5th is in place there you could have some high level meetings with the Muslim Terrorist and get things cleared up ! You have to be the most ignorant FRAUD there ever was but you are entertaining you little child !

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If people are persons, then the 5th applies everywhere.

Words matter as you say SUPER STUPID so defend your above statement !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Clearly, person MEANS citizen
excon(4376) Disputed
1 point

Hello again, poochy:

I have a dear friend with Alzheimers.. He can't remember one minute to the next.. I tell him we're gonna meet on Tuesday at noon.. He'll look at me and say, so we're meeting on Monday. I say no, Tuesday.. He'll say Monday at noon.. I'll say, no, Tuesday at noon. He'll ask me what are we doing on Monday.. I'll say no, we're meeting on Tuesday at noon.

He NEVER gets it.. That's NEVER.. Dealing with you is like dealing with him.. Have you had a check up lately???

excon

Side: The 5th applies EVERYWHERE
outlaw60(8861) Clarified
1 point

Tell me the 5th does not apply everywhere is that not what you said ? Words matter don't you remember ?

Side: The 5th applies EVERYWHERE
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If people are persons, then the 5th applies everywhere..

You open mouth and insert foot SUPER STUPID !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Clearly, person MEANS citizen

According to this mindless logic, person means Nazi. *

Side: Clearly, person MEANS citizen
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Hello bront:

Couple things..

As much as it pains me, pursuant to the 5th Amendment, a Nazi IS a person.. What? A Nazi who is also a citizen shouldn't have rights????

And, you know NOTHING about the Constitution... That would be NOTHING!!!

excon

Side: Clearly, person MEANS citizen
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And, you know NOTHING about the Constitution... That would be NOTHING!

Sure I do. People from other countries aren't Americans with American rights. Kim Jong Un is... not an American with American rights. Vladimir Putin is...not an American with American rights. Adolf Hitler was...not an American with American rights. I know it's hard to grasp, but I can find you "Common Sense for Dummies" next time I hit the bookstore.

Side: The 5th applies EVERYWHERE