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Yes he did. No, not true today.
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Rudyard Kipling got it right. East is East and West is West.

East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet. As well as being a litery genius Kipling seems to have been quite a prophet as well. 

Yes he did.

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No, not true today.

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I don't wish to add to the degeneration of the debate by further concentrating on the use of the word xenophobia, but I feel obliged to comment that I have heard this, pretentious word used for decades by those who try to smugly occupy the moral high ground by calling anyone who expresses even the slightest note of concern about mass, uncontrolled immigration as ''xenophobic racists''. It is a cheap and transparent attempt to stifle any form of reasoned debate on the issue through intimidation. In the U.K where large tracts of their towns and cities have been ''appropriated'' by Muslims who have turned the once pleasant leafy laned suburbs of such beautiful places as Oxford into crime ridden no-go third world ghettos. Only today it has been revealed that Muslim paedophile gangs have abused children from Oxford, some of whom have been sent abroad for the pleasure of Muslim paedophiles in their Islamic homeland. This is on top of the jailing in January this year of around twenty Muslims who had abused over 2000 ( two thousand )children in Rotherham. So, dare to voice annoyance at these diabolical events and the sanctimonious P.C. loonies will bellow from the roof tops, ' Xenophobic racists'. There is a most pronounced ''clash of cultures'' between East and West, more so than North and South. Anyone taking even a cursory look at those who adhere the religion of the Prophet Mohammed will soon discover many reasons to explain the obvious difficulties of those from an Islamic background arriving in a Western Democratic Country. The clash of cultures is quite stark; slavish obedience to an ancient code versus liberty and free speech. NOTE;- The Saudi Arabian Embassy site in the U.S.A, has an Islamic Affairs Department where one can find statements such as; ''Muslims are required to raise the banner of jihad in order to make the word of Allah supreme in the world''. Is this a good way to be accepted gladly in a new land? Other quotes include;- ''Today's false idols, which dominate over the entire world , are democracy, Capitalism, Socialism and Communism. Islam instead calls for a 'Khilafa ( Caliphate) based on consultation, and a just economic system founded on Zakat and the prohibition of usury''. hardly a resounding call for free market economics and liberalism. Islamic media in Canada are demanding that Canadian judges should be enforcing Islamic, or Sharia law in disputes between Muslims. This would be the slippery slope to an Islamic penal law which will institute sentences such as flogging or the stoning of adulterous woman. All this is only a small part of the tip of an enormous Islamic iceberg which is designed to ''Islamize'' the Western nations which welcomed them. If this tiny snippet of what's going on doesn't ring any alarm bells then apathetic fools deserve all that is coming in their direction like a runaway locomotive.

Side: Yes he did.

An obnoxious term, used to justify xenophobia. "East" and "West" are arbitrary, antiquated terms used to divide the world into overly generalized cultures which, by the way, ignores a MASSIVE number of cultures that do not fall into either categories. It is used to divide the world into "us" vs "them".

Side: No, not true today.
Amarel(5669) Clarified
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While "East" and "West" may be broad categories that miss details, such is the nature of categories. Details come upon further inspection. It may also be the case that this term is arbitrary. This too is often the case with categorizing, especially as it concerns geography and culture. It doesn't make the terms inherently bad, though it may mean that they have become outdated.

The two terms are as much used for Xenophilia as its opposite. Have you never heard a westerner say something similar to "I love eastern (fill in the blank)". Did you read "Jungle Book"? I don't think that Kipling hated the east.

EDIT: To determine whether or not this Kipling quote is correct, wouldn't we need to first determine what he means? At least before we determine that it is antiquated, arbitrary, and xenophobic

Side: Yes he did.
GenericName(3430) Clarified
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I completely agree with your comment, but I find it just as ridiculous when used for xenophilia as xenophobia. I find the terms to be rather meaningless in the modern day (not sure I ever think they were particularly accurate terms), even if the person using them has a specific meaning in mind. It is still, in my mind, using the wrong terms, as these terms are overly broad and general.

Side: Yes he did.
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In a world of so many stereotypes it is often difficult to disseminate between those who understand the meaning behind the words they use and those who do not.

Language has great power, it identifies each and everyones culture, and may often be used without thinking of the effect it may cause.

Side: No, not true today.