Rush Limbaugh Quote
"Compassion is no substitute for justice."
Don't let the knowledge of who said this affect your opinion.
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Very true. I have a feeling though that it's not Limbaugh's quote (he probably got it from someone smarter than him).
Compassion is at many times illogical and only hurts justice. Just how people with compassion feel that pedophiles are victims and shouldn't be punished harshly (just look at Vermont, which is constantly letting pedophiles get off with no jail time).
"Very true. I have a feeling though that it's not Limbaugh's quote (he probably got it from someone smarter than him)."
What makes you think that? Rush Limbaugh is very smart, and he is almost always right.
I'm glad you posted, even if you don't like rush all that much. Notice how this debate isn't that popular. There would probably be more posts if the title of the debate didn't have Rush's name on it. See, most people don't like to agree with people that they don't like.
Who says he's smart? Just because you agree with him on everything does mean he's intelligent. He certainly seems to say a lot of dumb things to me...
Education-wise, he apparently flunked a lot in school:
I feel I must agree with the statement but also include that justice without compassion is tyranny. No one is saying that justice should not be served according to the law but when someone makes a blanket statement like that it reminds me of France in the time of Robespierre when stealing a loaf of bread to feed a starving family was considered thievery (which it was) but no one cared that there were no jobs for people such as those at that time. That is when justice must be tempered with compassion or it becomes tyrannical.
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Great post! You made a really good point.
I saw an episode of Band Of Brothers (It's a show about WWII If you haven't seen it, you need to.) These American soldiers are in Germany and they find this abandoned concentration camp full of starving people. So they go to the nearest town and take a bunch of food from a bakery so that they can feed the people.
That was necessary. But it should never come to that. If food has to be stolen for people to eat. There is a problem. And whatever problem that is, needs to be fixed. Luckily in America we don't usually have those kinds of problems.
Sure, it's simple, a cool sound bite, middle America would totally eat it up. It's a great idea in some situations.
But unfortunately life isn't that simple.
ex. Most would agree that the harsh reparations against Germanay after WWI is the main thing that lead to WWII
Are you talking about something specific here? Or just throwing around phrases?
I agree for the most part.
Like murder, pedophiles, rapists, etc.
I disagree when it comes to drugs for example, because just throwing people in jail is more expensive and doesn't work,
and I gave the example reparations against Germany after WWI.
Like most things, life is never as simple as talking heads would like them to be,
you can't base policy strictly on 10 second sound bites and expect them to work,
so what specifically was he talking about?
well, pyg brought up a good point about logic,
but I would say there's times when it's logical to be compassionate.
For example, a 50 year old lady with cancer found with marijuana in her home in a state where medical marijuana is still illegal,
It would be both logical and compassionate for the police to just let it slide.
Well, compassion gets in the way of logic. Most drug laws are NOT logical, so they conflict with justice.
has little to do with compassion. As for laws in general, they are not the same as justice, because they often conflict with justice itself.
Laws enacted by Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao were all out of what they felt was for the greater good, but had nothing to do with logic. They were based off of their sense of compassion (mainly the people's, since drugs and education were keeping the lower class in the slums). If Stalin were to face logic, he would not have been able to get away with what he did. But he got the lower class to support him because they let their emotions get in the way. That was certainly not justice.
Justice, itself, is based more off of common sense. People are left alone and evil is not allowed. that is justice.
on justice, i can go forever though. Like, Socrates and Plato style.
"Well, compassion gets in the way of logic. Most drug laws are NOT logical, so they conflict with justice."
Here's another Rush Limbaugh quote:
"If you commit a crime, you're guilty."
Does that clear it up for you? It's okay to disagree with a law, to do something to change it. Committing a crime is entirely different. Yes it is that simple.
"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." -Gandhi
Those of us who, even slightly, adhere to Catholicism are taught to "forgive and forget".
Although we can seek forgiveness, the best approach (according to the church) is allow God to make any final judgments. Simply turn the cheek.
since Cerin had no rebuttle for you. I'd like to try. :D
ok so, slavery. They were all tryin to escape from us superior white people,and we wanted JUSTICE!!! Then we got compassion for them somehow, and now they live with us. With their hippity hop and grills and what not.
I'm probably going to get shot for this... Yeah, too much compassion is terrible, but I mean, think about it. Let say Tom is home with his wife and children, a thief breaks into his house and makes his way towards the children's room. Tom wakes up to the sound of his daughter Sally screaming and goes into a fit of rage over the protection of his family and murders the thief who is fleeing outside, excellently I might add.(There's some pretty nasty bloodstains on the pavement)
Should this guy get the death penalty? I mean, maybe a few years in prison or even just community service hours, but he didn't asked to get robbed. He was just afraid and did the first thing that came to him.
Ha ha, I'm so silly.
But my point is, every case should be treated with a certain dose of compassion and empathy.
We're all the same people from birth brought up in different worlds and different circumstances. I think hatred of criminals comes from a lack of understanding. Of course murder and rape is irreversibly bad, but instead of demonizing these people, because it's obviously a product of their environment, we should instead learn where there hatred or violent lusts come from and reach out to those in need before they commit the crime. Our society comes from cooperation, noone can go it alone, we at least owe it to our neighbors to help solve these problems.
Justice is just revenge. So... what? Are we supposed to respond with punishment instead of eliminating the problem through compassion? Count me out!
"I think hatred of criminals comes from a lack of understanding."
Who said anything about hate? This is about justice.
"Of course murder and rape is irreversibly bad, but instead of demonizing these people, because it's obviously a product of their environment,"
Who said anything about "demonizing" people?, once again this is about justice.
If you or a loved one was raped, I'm sure you would have plenty of compassion for them, oh lets not 'demonize' them.
"we should instead learn where there hatred or violent lusts come from and reach out to those in need before they commit the crime."
Yes we should except for the word "instead". Do you realize you are going against what this country was founded on? Against our founding fathers?
"we at least owe it to our neighbors to help solve these problems."
We owe it to our founding fathers to follow the constitution!
Demonization is the other side of the coin of compassion. We should treat people with neither, in public policy.
Do you realize you are going against what this country was founded on? Against our founding fathers?
What? That's a very Rush Limbaugh non sequitur to accuse someone of. I think the Founders attempted to address the root causes of human tendencies with impartiality, and we should approach this in the same way.
We owe it to our founding fathers to follow the constitution!
Forgive my memory, but haven't you argued for extraordinary rendition and "enhanced interrogation techniques?"