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SHOULD RELIGIOUS PRACTISE BE REMOVED FROM SOCIETY?

                    SHOULD THE PRACTISE OF A RELIGION  BE CONFINED TO A PERSONS HOME?  . ok ok ok ok ok ok ok IM SORRY I SHOULD OF DEFINED THIS DEBATE  BETTER. EG.FACT- 6 MUSLIM BOYS RECENTLY BASHED AN AUS/GREEK BOY AT A PUBLIC SCHOOL BECAUSE IN THEIR EYES HE IS AN INFIDEL,BECAUSE IT IS RAMADAN AND THEY BELIEVE HE IS DISRESPECTFUL IN EATING HIS SALAMI SANDWICH FOR LUNCH.THEY ARE NOW USING CULTURAL AND RELIGIOUS BELIEFS FOR AN EXCUSE OF THEIR ACTIONS AND MANY MUSLIMS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE SUPPORTING THEIR ACTIONS BASED ON THEIR BELIEFS.                   ps i really am sorry for the confusion.


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Weighing up the World-wide situation, a substantial proportion of Humanity are unable to let go of their forebears' primitive belief in a creator that demands a daily dose of supplication. In essence, a person's specific belief is dictated by that part of the globe from where they originated; a simple inheritance of the parents' unreal ancestral teachings, largely unquestioned. No need to be a Religious Scholar (what a fatuous preoccupation) in order to comprehend why all of this utter humbug survives.

Persistent indoctrination over millennia leave the susceptible with feelings of unease when they attempt to ditch the ingrained silly beliefs inherited from similarly programmed forebears. Most take an apathetic route & run with these various childish beliefs, passed down thro the generations via pious, shallow-thinking naivety - preferring illusion to reality - fantasy to truth.

Relgious leaders live in the past, with mystical rites that are still prevalent, complete with modern trappings. They are an absurdity! Their endeavours to exalt religiosity by the erection of ever more imposing ‘Places of Worship’ merely highlights – Monumentally - the benighted phases of Man's past. Hell's Bells - What a shambles!

As with everything, ethics evolve quite naturally. The need to consult Biblical, Koranic, or any other crap-laden fairy tales in order to pursue a decent & considerate existence beggars belief!

It would appear that it’ll take a very long time for society to rid itself totally of the falsity of religious humbug, Using it’s bogus validity for an easy living, it’s predacious practitioners use their dominant & deceitful acumen to sublimely charm the naive to wander in an unreal ‘Spiritual Wonderland’ that is totally unworthy of any honest contemplation.

These Impostors just can’t be all that thick to believe in their own silly preachings; much more likely, they realise that they’re on a nice little earner & conscience goes out of the window!

Supporting Evidence: What a Wonderful World (www.absurdbelief.info)
10 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- Warlin(495) Disputed
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You sound like a preacher. You honestly do. I'm not saying religion is right for all of the damned stupid things that it's caused and the pain it's made, but people are forgetting something: No matter how much you want to know or how much you believe in your convictions, you will never know the truth. It's that simple. Really, it is.

Weighing up the World-wide situation, a substantial proportion of Humanity are unable to let go of their forebears' primitive belief in a creator that demands a daily dose of supplication. In essence, a person's specific belief is dictated by that part of the globe from where they originated; a simple inheritance of the parents' unreal ancestral teachings, largely unquestioned. No need to be a Religious Scholar (what a fatuous preoccupation) in order to comprehend why all of this utter humbug survives.

To be fair, culture is a very important part of us, because it helps us better understand ourselves and it provides something for us to look back on and question. It is true that whatever part of the globe you come from seems to dictate your religion, but I don't know exactly why that matters. As for why people never question these things, well. They do. They change. Christianity didn't just appear out of nowhere, someone had to think about it. They organized and started about this. I'm not saying it's right that they did, but to say that nobody ever questions their father's religions is nonsense. I don't think I need to remind anyone of the two religious revivals that occurred in North America, and the vast impact it had.(Ironically, the heritage of the cults seem predominant. Namely the Mormons, who managed to get an entire state sewn into their legacy.)

Persistent indoctrination over millennia leave the susceptible with feelings of unease when they attempt to ditch the ingrained silly beliefs inherited from similarly programmed forebears. Most take an apathetic route & run with these various childish beliefs, passed down thro the generations via pious, shallow-thinking naivety - preferring illusion to reality - fantasy to truth.

But you can break away, and people do. The smarter patrons of these religions even understand that not everything is to be taken so literally, and they understand the threats that are posed by religions. It's also pretty dumb to assume that without religion people wouldn't be finding excuses to be lazy and ignore facts anyways. They would. You know they would. It's not some sort of phenomena that's spawned by meta magical thinking. It's spawned by pure greed and laziness.

Relgious leaders live in the past, with mystical rites that are still prevalent, complete with modern trappings. They are an absurdity! Their endeavours to exalt religiosity by the erection of ever more imposing ‘Places of Worship’ merely highlights – Monumentally - the benighted phases of Man's past. Hell's Bells - What a shambles!

Yeah I usually don't tend to listen to anyone who's so dedicated to something they start ignoring reality. We ignore those people in turn.

As with everything, ethics evolve quite naturally. The need to consult Biblical, Koranic, or any other crap-laden fairy tales in order to pursue a decent & considerate existence beggars belief!

You honestly can't say that there's absolutely nothing you can learn from the Bible. Some of it's trash, but really the Ten Commandments aren't that bad of guidelines to live by.

It would appear that it’ll take a very long time for society to rid itself totally of the falsity of religious humbug, Using it’s bogus validity for an easy living, it’s predacious practitioners use their dominant & deceitful acumen to sublimely charm the naive to wander in an unreal ‘Spiritual Wonderland’ that is totally unworthy of any honest contemplation.

Well, I'm sure some religions might certainly express that life with their religion is easier, but I don't think the newer Christian religions really stress that so much. The only thing I've really picked up from the bible and from what I remember of churches,(when I was 7~10) it wasn't at all about the now, but rather the afterlife. That's a pretty dumb thing to hinge on, but at lest Christianity helps dumb people who just don't really see a reason to be humble or nice get a reason.

These Impostors just can’t be all that thick to believe in their own silly preachings; much more likely, they realise that they’re on a nice little earner & conscience goes out of the window!

Some do. It's not a sick assumption to think that someone is exploiting religion to fill their pockets. They are. But some people really do believe. Delusional or not, if you try to force them to quit, it'll only make their convictions that much stronger.

You can't fight religion. You'll only make them angrier and more against you.

10 days ago | Tagged As: No
- dacey(31) Disputed
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ha after my uncle divorced he joined one of these modern day cool atmosphere churches you talk of, where he met his (secretly dyke) second wife, who at first just shunted him to a back shed outside His house and now a few years into it she has him living on a property seperate to her so he can put whats left(after his compulsory contributions to his church) of his hard earned dollars into another property so she can take that too and then get rid of him for good.what religion are you? obviously not a muslim.have you actually read the koran? ive taken the time to look at all religions and have come to the conclusion that the majority is nothing more than a pack of reli-goons.yes we have human nature to fill the gap (laziness, hate, gullabillity etc) but at least, it would be a true case of free will, not a manipulated "free will"

10 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- dacey(31) Disputed
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i actually feel a lot of reli-goons would be relieved to have such a condemning weight lifted off their shoulders.

10 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- dacey(31) Supported
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oh yes yes yes how i wish i could have said it like you.there is more truth in what you say, than any of the religious practices.well done.

10 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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Imagine existence as the night sky we see every evening. You want to get a closer look by using a telescope, but the telescope is dirty, filtered. You only see it a certain way. Religion is the telescope and there are several of them. Tens of hundreds of filtered telescopes. The best way to look at the night sky is to stand back and see it as it is.

10 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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Just as well, people cling to beliefs that existed hundreds of thousands of years ago before the coming of modern science which tells us what everything really is and what it's made up of.

10 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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(Warlin quote) - You sound like a preacher. You honestly do. I'm not saying religion is right for all of the damned stupid things that it's caused and the pain it's made, but people are forgetting something: No matter how much you want to know or how much you believe in your convictions, you will never know the truth. It’s that simple. Really, it is – (end quote)

Nature instructs all of life to reproduce; to what end we just don’t know & it’s almost 100% certain that we never will. We can speculate but are INFINITELY short of the necessary knowledge to form a valid judgement. Life’s purpose cannot be identified by any ancient decrepit ‘Belief’.

Theosophies? – Created by the score – Beliefs? – We doubtless need no more – Suffice to say – “We’ll never know – What REALLY makes the green grass grow!

(Warlin quote) - To be fair, culture is a very important part of us, because it helps us better understand ourselves and it provides something for us to look back on and question. It is true that whatever part of the globe you come from seems to dictate your religion, but I don't know exactly why that matters. As for why people never question these things, well. They do. They change. Christianity didn't just appear out of nowhere, someone had to think about it. They organized and started about this - (end quote)

Exactly – Man created Gods - Via many devious pious paths, evolution has produced Medicine Men – Witch Doctors – Sorcerers & Soothsayers that have evolved to Archbishops – Ayatollahs – Rabbis & Popes with a fair sprinkling of other hypocrites such as JW’s etc. thrown in.

Mankind has been profoundly caught – In devious realms of religious thought – One needs understand it’s institution - & follow through it’s evolution

(Warlin quote) - But you can break away, and people do. The smarter patrons of these religions even understand that not everything is to be taken so literally, and they understand the threats that are posed by religions. It's also pretty dumb to assume that without religion people wouldn't be finding excuses to be lazy and ignore facts anyways. They would. You know they would. It's not some sort of phenomena that's spawned by meta magical thinking. It's spawned by pure greed and laziness. You honestly can't say that there's absolutely nothing you can learn from the Bible. Some of it's trash, but really the Ten Commandments aren't that bad of guidelines to live by - (end quote)

The Ethics of Humanity have not relied on scripture. Plain & pure common sense has directed us to where we are today. Ultimately, Life’s natural trait is to be selfish (to further ones own genes), hence the trouble we’re in today with the greedy banks etc. I’m afraid we are all at it to a greater or lesser degree, We co-operate to suit our own individual needs. Nature is indeed - RAW - in many aspects.

May the wisdom now amongst us – Rid us of this cloying fungus – Let’s all rejoice in Logic’s role - & bury the bunkum down a hole

(Warlin quote) - It's not a sick assumption to think that someone is exploiting religion to fill their pockets. They are. But some people really do believe. Delusional or not, if you try to force them to quit, it'll only make their convictions that much stronger. You can't fight religion. You'll only make them angrier and more against you. end quote – (end quote)

Not so much exploitation to fill their pockets; it provides a comfortable living, & keeps their hands clean, if not their soul. All I’m saying is that there is absolutely no reason to keep up this sham of a God watching over us, keeping us on the straight & narrow. Look around the Earth & weigh up the MILLIONS of humans afflicted with disease, dire poverty & a lack of the basic necessities for life. He’s certainly got His hands full. You know, the more one ponders religious faith the dafter it gets. We need just one religion & that is plain & pure Common Sense. It’s what we were born with & is our only tool to get by. We’ve used it ever since we started to comprehend. I totally realise that these ‘Beliefs’ are here for the long term. Sentiment is inherent & Impostors prey (pray) on that fact.

Common sense is all one needs – Not passe’, shrouded, Man-made creeds – Common sense ??? – Get off thy perch – Use everyday knowhow - & research

Warlin - I’ve never thought of religion in too serious a manner. Always found it a prime source of entertainment. The web-pages quoted below lays out in a bit more detail, my thoughts on this matter of Religiosity. You’re obviously a thinking person. Would welcome your criticisms.

http://www.absurdbelief.info

8 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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DUE TO THE CLASH OF RELIGIONS, I BELIEVE THIS OPTION WOULD PROVOKE FAR LESS OFFENCE FOR THE MAJORITY.

14 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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just because i ask this question seems warlin says im representing jackasses. warlin i dont ever imagine that it would be removed sucessfully. i just personally think people would feel more uplifted if it was. im so glad that i copped your remark coz goes to show what you know bout me for your accusation right? right? jackass. I was to be a nun when i grew up.After ten years i declined.you should be glad right? right? Jesus is still a dude. am i confusing you ? maybe

3 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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The only problem with religion that annoys me is that the fact that each religion has individual people or groups that think their way is best. I say BULLSHIT. If you find something that works for you, go with it. The real problem with religion in society is that the government has interfered too much, along with too many other things, and made this society too be politically correct. That too is BULLSHIT. In the U.S. you are supposed to be able to worship whatever entity you choose without fear of reprisal. That is the way it should always be. BUT, there are always assholes out there that want to force you to think otherwise. Again, why I am annoyed with it. Righteousness can only belong to the one that has never done wrong. Which as anyone that is familiar with the Bible knows that that guy died by the hands of his own people. Worship what you want to, just leave me out of it.

14 days ago | Tagged As: No
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kinda sad my side who's trying to support religion is just rambling off on some other thing. but i believe religion is key to prosperity and productivity. are founders thought it was so when they formed the declaration. and i am personally a Christin. not a religious zealot like some say to be followers, but the real thing god wanted, that is just a relationship between man and god. but any way obviously some religions degrade and subtract form society like Islam dose in many regards lately. but a standard belief that were here for a reason and that some one loves us deeper then any one else can is a encouraging bonus to my moral as i face the world and work to be successful. so all in all religion, even though you can say it has done more harm then good in some regards, is overall beneficial, if any one wants to challenge me, ill write why i think it is so.

9 days ago | Tagged As: No
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The State should not be provided the authority to dictate the manner of religious expression, which includes not being able to ban faith-based gatherings or the construction of buildings for the purpose of such gatherings, save only when such expression actively threatens the well-being of citizens.

While one might be able to make an argument to the effect that eliminating religious practice is something toward which society should aspire, the suggestion that such practices should be banned is unacceptable. So long as there are people who wish to gather peacefully in faith, they should be allowed to do so.

2 days ago | Tagged As: No
- dacey(31) Disputed
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yes i agree, unless it threatens the wellbeing of citizens as in the case regarding the 6 muslim boys who while at school due to their religious beliefs (RAMADAN) felt it morrally ok to bash a fellow student because he was eating a salami sandwich for lunch.this was at a PUBLIC SCHOOL. These students are now making an outcry saying this child they bashed deserved it because he is an infidel. saying he has no respect for their religion. Now is that fair?

2 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- Avedomni(62) Disputed
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I didn't address that—specifically, I neither said it was fair, nor that it should be considered acceptable—because it has nothing whatsoever to do with the debate at hand.

That some children beat up another and claimed it was based on their faith is completely irrelevant to the question of whether there should be a ban on attendance of church, mosque, temple, et cetera. In fact, forcing religion to be a private matter could easily result in an increase in such behavior as individuals find themselves no longer subject to the opinions of their co-religionists.

2 days ago | Tagged As: No
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(HONESTLY FOLKS. THE CAPSLOCK THING IS KIND OF GETTING ANNOYING.)

No of course not. You really can't remove that from society anyways. I mean, that's like trying to kill every single cockroach or something. Just ain't gonna happen. People have a right to believe and practice whatever the hell they want. The framers thought this was so important that they even put it in the Bill of Rights.

Of course it'd stop conflict from a religious source, but do you really think that's the root of all of the problems anyways? People will lie to themselves to find a reason to fight. It's one of those ironic and tragic things that just always seem to happen.

14 days ago | Tagged As: No
- dacey(31) Disputed
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( SO IS THE PETTY NIT PICKING, OVER THINGS, OTHER THAN THE DEBATE ) And i am not talking about removing the peoples right to practise a religion. if they have faith in their religion then it should not matter to them where they practise.it may not be the root of all the problems in this world but it certainly is the inspiration for most of them.

14 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- Kinda(380) Disputed
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That doesn't really make sense. People go to churches, mosques, temples etc. to worship and practise in ways they cannot do it at home. You can learn, relate, advance your knowledge, meet others in your community and more at religious places. It's the environment created there that is probably the biggest reason to go.

14 days ago | Tagged As: No
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If you say Yes... It's like saying Lets Ban Football because different people support different teams...

So Religion is the True fate if you want to survive in paradise

13 days ago | Tagged As: No
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Whether religion is right or wrong, by banning religion you are forcing people to believe that their is only one right answer. That goes against every core of the modern world. If we start saying that then we are no different than the 3rd world countries that forbid practice of any other religion than their own. Or worse, we are comparable to CHINA!

8hrs 11mins ago | Tagged As: No
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