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Debate Score:32
Arguments:27
Total Votes:35
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SJW is an Unfairly Pejorative Term intended to Dismiss Sensible Views/Concerns


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I even identify myself with and agree with the left lib movement and have no idea why it's considered an insult to call me a SJW.

I'm proud to fight for social justice and to protect the vulnerable from emotional harm and targeted bullying in any shape or form.

Side: For the Motion
WinstonC(854) Disputed
1 point

"I'm proud to fight for social justice and to protect the vulnerable from emotional harm"

I am "emotionally harmed" by the things social justice advocates say, will you please stop saying such things so that I will not be further "emotionally harmed"?

Side: Against the Motion
1 point

You can try to troll me all you want, I'm not going to take the bait with scum like you.

I know your intention here is to make me snap and to then film an angry left wing liberal and portray all SJW as angry fools but I am not going to take the bait and answer to your blatant bullshit.

There is simply no way that what I just said in the argument you replied to could have offended you.

Side: For the Motion
2 points

There are special snowflakes, and there are people like Martin Luther King Junior. They're both 'SJWs'. There's something wrong with SJW as a pejorative when it can be applied to the leader of the civil rights movement.

Side: For the Motion

I think most of these angry far-right posters of the modern Libertarian movement are actually special snowflakes of their own kind.

Try to ask them to reason their opinions and they will bully you into shutting up, they are just more volatile and unattractive special snowflakes than the timid left-wing type.

Side: For the Motion
2 points

Oh, definitely. There are special snowflakes of all sorts, even though the right love to use it as a label for someone on the left - they usually do it when they get triggered. Funny how that works, huh?

Side: For the Motion
foratag(245) Clarified
1 point

Come on my friend, the timid left wing? You mean like people who tear down centuries old statues because it hurts their fragile feelings. Or how about when a verdict does not go the lefts way and they riot and burn down cities, close off freeways, etc.

I take it you didn't notice that the conservatives did NOT riot when Kate Steinle's murderer walked.

Side: For the Motion
2 points

I think it's REALLY going to depend on the situation. There was an instance where some lady blasted a child having a Japanese Tea Party birthday party. The little girl dressed in Geisha style and had a very cute Japanese theme but she was white and this random white stranger hauled off and blasted the parents for allowing "cultural misappropriation". It took an actual Japanese woman to tell her to stop talking on behalf of the Japanese and this representation was actually flattering.

I think in this instance it's not unfair to say that calling the accuser a SJW was meant as derogatory term and she did deserve it as she was trying to express views following a warped (in my mind) philosophy of a SJW. Much like Feminism has garnished a bad name for itself, the views started off as great, commendable even, but some louder people have taken it so far into extremism that it's tarnished both the names and the cause.

Side: For the Motion

In ancient Japanese culture, it wasn't nearly as degrading to be a prostitute as it is in conservative-sided states of USA. In Japan, sex is a lot less sacred than it is to most Christian or Islamic based cultures and is literally an off-the-cuff thing to trade. It's so extreme that cheating was (not is anymore) a given thing for men to do to their wives.

If you think I'm making this up, research the concept of lying in Japanese culture. According to them, in their older times, lying was simply what men had to do to make their wives feel good. In Japan monogamy is based on efficient lying. The men lie about fidelity and how sexy their wives are, the wife lies about her body and her man's ability in bed and in general (will usually say he's a rank higher than he really is in his workplace to their friends etc).

Side: For the Motion
2 points

I'm aware of some their culture. It's pretty fascinating, back before Confucianism took hold women held more or as much power as the males. They weren't forced to give their property to their husbands or take their husbands name, heck even prostitution was seen as a position of power. Afterwards when Confucianism took hold the woman's power was held only to the inside of their house and they couldn't speak to matters outside of their house.

Side: For the Motion
1 point

I feel that if you're going to label yourself as something like an "SJW" (which has already been meticulously extremized), that you're asking for someone to come accuse you of such assumed views. I wouldn't stick to a term like that just because of aforementioned extremization. The main problem most see with the blanketed group is that they do more than just fight for equality, and sometimes go as far as discriminating a "privileged" race and gender. While I still somewhat do believe in the wage gap, I do not see the purpose of trying to further push your dominance when equality has already been achieved. Overall, I agree that saying someone is an "SJW" is a unjust way for someone to ignore your concerns, but sometimes not views.

Side: For the Motion
1 point

I think "so called social justice warrior" would be better. Calling them social justice warriors gives them too much credibility... Like, you know, they actually represent what it is they call themselves. What if you are being very unjust while claiming to be about justice? What if they demand justice when justice is already there?

Whatever the case, for all you real deal "social justice warriors"....

"If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: but if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment."

Side: For the Motion
0 points

Hello x,

Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never harm me. Intelligent people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Stupid people talk about other people.

Instead of acting all butt hurt, liberals should remind right wingers that when they have NO answers, they hurl invectives.

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Side: For the Motion
1 point

A pejorative term for annoying people? That seems appropriate .

Side: Against the Motion
1 point

I had to look it up. Honestly.

Social Justice Warrior sounds comparable to Holy Roller or Gun Nut. The Left uses those, unapologetically, all the time. And in comparison, SJW isn't even all that bad.

Labels do spmetimes get applied unfairly. But like others have said, whether or not it is unfair depends on the context.

Side: Against the Motion
1 point

If the context of the term is 100% of the time negative and taunt-based then isn't the term itself so?

I mean this is not even hypocritical for the left to say as we support the idea that the term itself can be too offensive to be used in any context.

On the other hand, for the right-wing-lib movement to complain that we use a term to them is hypocritical as they say free speech that offends is alright (which is bullshit and is not how society works).

Side: For the Motion
1 point

i wouldnt say so... doesnt it fit perfectly? most SJWs call themselves SJWs now days... so even they seem to think its pretty accurate, if it isnt... why?

Side: Against the Motion