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SOME Atheists are contradicting themselves.

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SOME Atheists are contradicting themselves.

I am Agnostic by the way.

I mean SOME not ALL.

Firstly, SOME Atheists dislike Christians preaching about their religion, however, the next day you see them persuading people about their ideals. Aren't they doing the same as what the Christians are doing?

Secondly, some atheists dislike being called names by Christians, but then the same people call Christians 'idiots' 'ignorant' etc. Contradicting.

They say Christians have started wars and killed millions. What about the Soviet Union, China, North Korea etc? Don't they count?

Side: agreed
Nautilus(628) Disputed
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Secondly, some atheists dislike being called names by Christians, but then the same people call Christians 'idiots' 'ignorant' etc. Contradicting.

It's not that we don't like being called names, I can take an insult, I don't as long as it's accurate. I only call people names that fit the actions they take and the words they say.

They say Christians have started wars and killed millions. What about the Soviet Union, China, North Korea etc? Don't they count?

No, Atheism has not killed anyone, Islam has not killed anyone, Christianity has not killed anyone. Religions don't kill people, people kill people. However in the case of something like the crusades people used religion as a justification (or excuse, whatever word you want to use) for their actions. The regimes of the soviet union, china, etc killed a lot of people and were secular. But just because murder happened in a secular regime does not mean they were killed for religion, or lack there of. Like how in the soviet Union people were killed for not contributing enough to the system or for something they did. Atheism is only the disbelief in a deity, that's it, that is all it is. Atheism does not promote violence, nor does it condemn it, it has nothing to say on the matter on anything other than lacking a belief in god. Atheism does not start, encourage or call for wars. Beliefs do not kill people, people do, but atheism cannot be used to justify those types of actions because it does not address those issues. It's like saying that I do not believe in unicorns and then the regime I rule kills thousands of people who do believe in dragons and those who don't, you cannot blame their death on my disbelief in dragons because my disbelief does not call for their death.

Side: Disagreed.
Genesis1vs1(31) Disputed
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I only call people names that fit the actions they take and the words they say.

So you don't take the "high" road with the insults.

But just because murder happened in a secular regime does not mean they were killed for religion, or lack there of. Like how in the soviet Union people were killed for not contributing enough to the system or for something they did.

Stalin was atheist so was Mao and they killed Christians purely for their beliefs.

Atheism is only the disbelief in a deity, that's it, that is all it is. Atheism does not promote violence, nor does it condemn it, it has nothing to say on the matter on anything other than lacking a belief in god. Atheism does not start, encourage or call for wars.

We are discussing atheists not atheism. And atheists are never an impartial participant. In fact most atheists are either evolutionists or humanists so they believe death/war is a normal part of our biological history.

Side: agreed
Bohemian(3870) Disputed
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The regimes of the soviet union, china, etc killed a lot of people and were secular. But just because murder happened in a secular regime does not mean they were killed for religion, or lack there of.

Although I agree with most of your post, I disagree with this part. The soviet Union was not a secular nation nor is China.

A secular state is a concept of secularism, whereby a state or country purports to be officially neutral in matters of religion, supporting neither religion nor irreligion.[1] A secular state also claims to treat all its citizens equally regardless of religion, and claims to avoid preferential treatment for a citizen from a particular religion/nonreligion over other religions/nonreligion. Secular states do not have a state religion or equivalent, although the absence of a state religion does not guarantee that a state is secular.

http://www.answers.com/topic/secular-state

Side: agreed
Bohemian(3870) Disputed
4 points

They say Christians have started wars and killed millions. What about the Soviet Union, China, North Korea etc? Don't they count?

Do you think there is a difference between a killer who happens to be christian, and a killer that is motivated by Christianity?

So why then do we not apply the same standard to atheists?

While Stalin certainly was atheist, there is no reason to believe that he killed because of his atheism.

If we were to include ALL MURDERS by christians, and not just the ones motivated by it, surely the death toll would be many times greater.

Just because a Dictator possesses a specific trait does not imply that this trait CAUSED him to kill. It is no more reasonable to assert that Mustaches cause genocide just because a dictator happens to have a mustache.

Side: Disagreed.
christjesus(318) Disputed
2 points

Do you think there is a difference between a killer who happens to be christian, and a killer that is motivated by Christianity?

So why then do we not apply the same standard to atheists?

While Stalin certainly was atheist, there is no reason to believe that he killed because of his atheism.

If we were to include ALL MURDERS by christians, and not just the ones motivated by it, surely the death toll would be many times greater.

Just because a Dictator possesses a specific trait does not imply that this trait CAUSED him to kill. It is no more reasonable to assert that Mustaches cause genocide just because a dictator happens to have a mustache.

Have I said they started war because of Atheism? No, you did.

Side: agreed
Genesis1vs1(31) Disputed
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While Stalin certainly was atheist, there is no reason to believe that he killed because of his atheism.

Absolutely it does, he killed many Christians specifically for their beliefs.

If we were to include ALL MURDERS by christians, and not just the ones motivated by it, surely the death toll would be many times greater.

The death toll after WWII would amount far more then any prejudicial speculation you could create. Atheists are far more brutal in torture and killing then any religious sect.

Just because a Dictator possesses a specific trait does not imply that this trait CAUSED him to kill. It is no more reasonable to assert that Mustaches cause genocide just because a dictator happens to have a mustache.

I would contend that a lack of morality is far different then facial hair. Such an argument has absolutely no merit.

Side: agreed
Hellno(17754) Disputed
2 points

I am Agnostic by the way.

Are you saying that you are agnostic or is this another insider debate?

Side: Disagreed.
2 points

The term atheist is a contradiction of all known scientific laws. They profess there is no Creator, then say that nothing created something. They limit themselves to physics that explain operational science, then they make up occurrences (big bang) that lie outside natural laws.

Atheists use "name calling" as a rescue device when their inane ideals are exposed. When they try to talk down to you then you know you struck a nerve. The atheist foundation is sand nothing more.

Side: agreed
2 points

Athiest don't all believe in the Big Bang theory, the fact that Athiest disagree on how we got here doesn't mean anything, religions disagree as well don't they? "Insane Ideals"? Considering it isn't a set ideal, your statement doesn't exactly hold much ground against us.

Side: Disagreed.
burnjuan(59) Disputed
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"Firstly, SOME Atheists dislike Christians preaching about their religion, however, the next day you see them persuading people about their ideals. Aren't they doing the same as what the Christians are doing?"

Atheists dislike ALL religion because it is a load of crap. Period. Atheists are not doing the "same as what the Christians are doing". Christians are trying to get people to believe in things like magic without any proof. Atheists try to get people to use reason.

Side: Disagreed.

EVERYBODY contradicts themselves, not just atheists. Christians do it, Wiccans do it, everybody does it.

Side: agreed
1 point

homo sapiens from all groups are bound to have contradictory people.

Side: agreed
1 point

Of course some Atheists are contradicting themselves. It'd be foolish to think that there isn't one Atheist who is contradicting themselves. We're humans, it's more than likely possible.

There are bad apples in every group.

Side: agreed
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Hellno(17754) Disputed
2 points

I disagree with that.. I'm open to discussion but I don't really care! I'm not a nut job one way or the other!

Side: Disagreed.
2 points

You should probably just kill yourself for being such a pathetic piece of shit.

Side: Disagreed.