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13
Saved Lost
Debate Score:31
Arguments:35
Total Votes:34
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Saved, going to Heaven VS Lost, going to Hell

Few will be saved.  Most will be lost.  Most are lost now.  Which are you?

Saved

Side Score: 18
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Lost

Side Score: 13
1 point

I"m saved. God Himself died for me, paid my price with His blood and conquered death offering forgiveness to all who repent and believe from their heart that He is risen from the dead and is the Living God, the Lord God Almighty. My sins are covered by His blood so I don't have to pay in Hell's fire for a debt which I could never pay off. When I knew I was lost, guilty, worthy of nothing but eternal dying in Hell, I believed on Jesus and opened the door to Him, He came in to me, gave me a new heart like His which desires always to please God, to serve Him, and I will serve Him gladly forever knowing He gave me life and died to save me from my sins, from death, from Hell. I'm forgiven, I'm going to Heaven, I'm saved.

Side: Saved
agalin920(6) Disputed
1 point

God himself died for you to offer forgiveness to himself? Can you please explain this

Side: Lost
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

Try reading again .

Side: Saved
1 point

Revelation 20

9 And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.

12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.

14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21

5 And He who sits on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” And He *said, “Write, for these words are faithful and true.”

6 Then He said to me, “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost.

7 He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.

8 But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

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Side: Saved
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

You mean well, so I'll overlook the fake Bible version you used for now.

You don't believe we have the word of God unchangeable in English, I do. Please quote only from the King James Bible in my discussions.

Please do not argue with me on this topic here. I have banned others for refusing to honor this small request I have that Christians in my debates use nothing but the King James Bible when referring to God's word in English.

Side: Saved
1 point

Sure no problem. There is an interesting documentary series.

Lamp in the Dark and Tares Among the Wheat. You are correct there is curruption that had seeped in through the force of Catholocism.

NASB faired well. I go back into the interlinear and KJV when I need go confirm clarity. NASB is my staple but I look at the three when needed.

Side: Saved

This is for God to decide. All I can do is strive to be a better individual, worker, and Christian each and every day and repent when I fall short. Ultimately everything is in God's hands.

Side: Saved
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

God wants you to know that He can and will save you, and when you are saved you can be sure that you are saved based on God's Word. You cannot be good enough to save yourself, you cannot earn salvation. You cannot be a Christian if you are not saved now. You have to be saved to be a Christian. Try as you may, you cannot be good enough to be a Christian. You have to be saved or you are not a Christian.

Side: Lost
agalin920(6) Disputed
1 point

What a nice little bubble you live in. That's why people are religious...it gives a false sense of security. Yea its great but do you want to die with a veil over your head?

Side: Lost
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

That's enough from you. Tootles .

Side: Saved
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

You are dead in your sin, dying is all you have, you love your sin more than life and I don't appreciate your insults so enjoy yourself all you can if you want proof that Hell is a real place of torment for sinners and you won't believe it until you find yourself unable to get out of the fire.

You seem to be new here, and if this is the fool you are always going to be, you'll be banned from my debates like many other fools here who apparently had parents void of the ability to teach good manners to their children.

Side: Saved
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Sounds pretty stupid to say you would rather be in Hell than say God is good, but have it your way.

Side: Saved
1 point

I was saved years ago. Me and JC regularly go out and walk on water together and then afterwards, go out bar-hopping, drinking beer and picking up chicks. If you play your cards right, we might let you tag along with us. But, you gotta do better than you're doing now. A little more penance on your part will be necessary to be even considered for such honor, Bible Thumper.

Side: Saved
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

idiot .

Side: Lost
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

What is this? Is this a contest to see which sinner can say the most stupid things? You won that prize already, step aside for other idiots.

Side: Lost
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

idiot. You always say the stupidest things, then you boast of being annoying and banned every time you post in my debates. Why don't you just stay out? What is your problem? Really, I already know, you don't have to try to explain...you're a pervert and you love your sin more than life and think you have the right to exist outside of Hell, and you hold a grudge against me for speaking the truth.

Side: Saved

I am going to hell in protest of the immorality of God. He is a genocidal maniac and deserves nothing from me. I would not be able to live with myself if I bent a knee to that malevolent despot.

Side: Lost
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

You are not living with yourself, you are dying with yourself. Pride goes before a fall, you are falling down to Hell.

God is being reasonable with you. You want to say you know He is not good when He is being good to you, you are denying reality and what you really want is a reality void of anything good from God. That reality is only in the fire of Hell, where you cannot know God's goodness but only His wrath against sin...and even then you will try to deny that God rules over you. You'll just get worse and worse there saying the same things you are saying here, along the same lines. God wants you to come to Him for mercy, but you prefer death over being honest about your sin so God is letting you have what you want...........dying is all you have and if you don't get saved, it will never end in the fire of Hell where you will have the reality you want, void of any sign of God's goodness toward you.

Side: Saved
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
0 points

Ok, your opinion was heard here loud and clear. If you think it's wrong for God to end your time and leave you in Hell, that's your problem and not mine. But thanks for sharing.

Oh, one more thing. Those who are saved will with joyful thankfulness bow to the One who Created them and died to save them from Hell. Those who are not saved will bow against their will. The only time God will force you to do anything against your will is if you go with all of your sin and sinning into the fire of Hell where sin belongs yet God will get from you what He created you for...His own pleasure, God will force you to honor Him with bent knees and your tongue, against your will, will say that Jesus Christ is Lord.....you will hear His name sound in Hell, and when you hear it you will bow and say He is Lord. That is the only time God will violate your free will. If you want to, curse God and die and find out how hot Hell is........that's what you are doing, cursing God and dying like a fool, and you will find out how hot Hell is....and you will live with yourself forever dying in Hell.

Side: Saved
agalin920(6) Disputed
2 points

Not really a saint if your not trying to save people. Kinda hypocritical if you consider yourself a true christian you are just another mediocre one.

Side: Saved
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
-1 points

Sounds pretty stupid to say you would rather be in Hell than say God is good, but have it your way.

Side: Saved
nobodyknows(745) Disputed
1 point

I will not compromise my morals for any reward. God will have to get someone more servile to prostrate themselves before him if that is want lusts for. I bow to no one, especially not some genocidal maniac who thinks we are the ones that need to be forgiven. He may be more powerful than I but that can never change the fact of his guilt. Not that I think he actually real, but if he was, he wouldn't deserve our worship if the Bible were accurate.

Side: Lost
1 point

I'm a rationalist. If all of recorded human knowledge was somehow erased and forgotten, Christianity would not reappear. You know what would reappear? Math and science...The laws of the universe cannot be rewritten

Side: Lost
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

You're a sinner who needs to be saved, you are losing because you are lost.

Side: Saved
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

if the sky fell on your head, it would not be the ocean. If saying silly things were a sign of intelligence, you would be a genius but of course that would only mean you are super silly.

Side: Saved
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

The only thing you need to be concerned about which cannot be erased is your own personal history, your own record of every word, thought, and action you have ungodly done in your ungodly way.

I'm going to lift the ban on you so I can point how in reality you are being irrational hoping your record will not be held against you in judgement by God.

Side: Saved
1 point

What is this? Is this a contest to see which sinner can say the most stupid things?

Side: Lost
0 points

If you are not saved, you don't know where you are going (unless of course you are a witch or a Satanist planning on going to Hell. In that case you are misguided into believing Hell can somehow be enjoyable when it will be no more enjoyable than throwing yourself into the middle of a forest fire).

You don't realize the condemnation you are in, you don't realize you are falling into the fire of Hell, you don't realize there is nothing you can do to get out of it, you don't realize death does not keep you from being in Hell, you don't realize the danger you were in or you would repent of your sins and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved from Hell now and forever.

Side: Lost