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Debate Score:40
Arguments:29
Total Votes:41
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Science or Philosophy?

In a debate where both science and philosophy are accepted, which approach do you prefer? And why not the other? Being the raging nerd that I am, science is the way I go. Whilst I can hold my own philosophically, I can't thrive in the same way I do using science.

Science

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Philosophy

Side Score: 17
3 points

Scientific evidence tends to be a lot stronger than philosophical arguments, but I would encourage using both if you can.

Side: Science
2 points

I've never really studied philosophy to be honest, and I love science. I love how everything is logical Science, even if I don't understand some of it, though there is a lot to learn. I do intend to study philosophy when I go back to school though.

Side: Science
2 points

I completely agree with your assessment of science. But I highly encourage your future philosophical investigations. I have majored in both, and I find that they make an incredible intellectual mix.

Side: Science
2 points

I know that together they can be great, I just haven't had the choice yet to study it. And I need a teacher to explain things for me. I am going to study it next year when I return to school.

Side: Science
BlackSheep(203) Clarified
1 point

Philosophy is as logical as science, it is just not dealing as much with concrete facts and testing etc.

Side: Science
2 points

Well if I can apply science I will. Science is more based on fact and testable.

Side: Science
2 points

Philosophy is so bland and uninteresting. Science is full of new discovery, observable phenomena, empirical fact, emerging fields, real life applications, the chance to benefit society, etc.

Side: Science
2 points

Facts and Evidence are stronger than Thoughts and Beliefs.

Side: Science
1 point

Science is empirical, it's the most reliable.

Side: Science
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

Science being based upon the empirical directly indicates that it is not based upon necessity but upon extemporaneous events that are not tied to universal notions of things. Philosophy, on the other hand, is based upon necessity and what must be true or false. Therefore, philosophy by definition is more reliable, while science is not.

Side: Philosophy
riahlize(1573) Disputed
1 point

That is word salad, inaccurate, absurd word salad.

Side: Science

Science is a philosophy. It is a natural philosophy. It has tenets, structures and axioms, like any other system. The central axiom is that knowledge can be gained through empirical observation and replication (experimentation) of phenomena.

I think that the debate creator mistook the body of scientific knowledge, which is to say, knowledge that has been gained through natural philosophy, for the philosophy itself.

An analogous example would be to mistake the truth "X = ((-b+/-sgrt[b^2-4ac])(1/(2a)))" for mathematical philosophy, whereas it is really mathematical knowledge.

In brief, 'tis a false dichotomy.

Side: Philosophy
smh62(39) Clarified
1 point

I entirely agree that science is philosophy as is any system of concepts. But not all philosophy is science so by 'philosophy' I mean non-scientific philosophy. I raise the question because, in the past, I would have dismissed non-scientific philosophy as simply unscientific. But now-a-days I find that a naive reaction.

I think my question is a false dichotomy but not for the same reason as you. I'm going to have to paraphrase Dennett but his sense is that when you know what the questions are then you can do good science but if you're not sure what the questions are then you're doing philosophy. Essentially, you can do good science with easy problems but the hard problems require you to do good philosophy too.

Side: Science
2 points

Both. Why should I have to choose ?

Side: Philosophy
2 points

Nicely put. Upvote .

Side: Philosophy
1 point

Thank you .

Side: Philosophy
1 point

Upvote for you too . :)

Side: Philosophy
1 point

It's a flawed dichotomy. They cannot rightly be considered seperately.

Side: Philosophy
ChuckHades(3197) Clarified
1 point

But if you had to have a preference. Do you prefer a philosophical approach, or a scientific approach? I'm not saying you can't use both, just which do you prefer.

Side: Science
1 point

this question is odd. it depends on if the topic is about scientifically significant meaning, or philosophically significant meaning. I am a philosopher but use scientific data and perspective in certain ways depending on the nature of the topic.

Side: Philosophy
1 point

without the presence philosophical thought science would have never been taken seriously. the enlightenment had to do with many new ideas, namely the secularization of government and life outside of the church, this cleared the way for great scientific advances to be made unobstructed by persecution . to put philosophy and science in the ring with one another is like holding a grape next to the vine it was yielded and asking "which is better?".

Side: Philosophy
0 points

Philosophy. Why? Because I'm a solipsist - the most extreme form of rationalism - whereas science is empirical.

Side: Philosophy
Nick91983(269) Clarified
2 points

How do you figure solipcism is an extreme form of rationalism? Solipcism is more like a self fulfilling/self supporting thought/perspective.

Side: Science
dancon25(3) Disputed
1 point

Are you the type of solipsist that relies on the circular nature of solipsism to defend yourself or the type to accept arguments without saying "even your arguing with me is just a product of my own brain so there?"

Also, I don't agree that it's the most extreme form of rationalism. I'd say that it's probably the most irrational philosophy to adhere to.

Side: Science

Why do you believe you exist?

Side: Philosophy
smh62(39) Disputed
1 point

Solipsists do not exist. Fact. If 'existence' is to mean anything then it has to be such that it applies to some things. If you want it to mean something that applies to nothing or a strictly limited set then be my guest but you're torturing a word in common usage which few people have difficulty using.

Side: Science