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Sex with Other Animals Wrong?

This question pops in my head recently and i want to know your opinion.

I don't think it is wrong if the sex is consensual. I know that animals do not speak our language but it knows when their body is engaging in sex. I do not have the understand of a dog's brain or a deer's brain but if they do not understand that a human being is sexually assualting them, then i would say that sex with other animals is wrong. In fact, it is considered abuse.

But what if it is consensual? Well we will never know unless we speak dog or deer. I do believe that animals have their own language just like we do. And i do believe that human beings are animals. So if we as animals want to have sex with other animals, then what is the harm if the sex is consensual.

My family is calling me sick of this idea but i am not saying that i will go through the front door of my house and have sex with a deer or whatever animal i find. I am attracted to female human beings.

Overall, i don't believe it is wrong to have sex with animals because we too are animals. Love is love and it is your own business and not others.

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No

Side Score: 41
5 points

Few other animals engage in sex for pleasure. It is not an enjoyable activity for them as it is for us. When an animal has sex with a human, if it is not through force, then the animal is probably doing it because it sees the human as a dominant individual and wants to placate them.

No other animals are intelligent enough to actually consent (except maybe chimps or dolphins and honestly I have not deeply considered the implications of this when it comes to bestiality). It is a case similar to children; children and animals may both seem as though they consent, through various means of communication, but we recognize that they do not understand the implications of the act and therefor we do not allow people to have sex with them.

I do not think that animals are particularly psychologically harmed by this, as a child would be, but I still do not think they are capable of consent and I do not think people should have sex with unconsenting partners.

3 years ago | Side: yes
2 points

I agree. Then did you pick no? If it is truly a fact that animals cannot consent, then sex with other animals is wrong. Your last sentence sealed the deal that sex with unconsenting partners is wrong. Thanks.

3 years ago | Side: No
3 points

Yes, I originally put this on the wrong side. My mistake.

3 years ago | Side: yes
steele(6) Disputed
2 points

See my comments on behaviorism on the other side.

This just simply isn't true. The reason why sex is fun an enjoyable is for propagation of the species. A species that doesn't enjoy sex is a species that is going to go extinct quickly. I doubt you can find studies or evidence that proves this unfortunately commonly held belief. There are entire books out now dedicated to the sexual pleasures of the animal kingdom. Try Biological exuberance, thats a good one.

3 years ago | Side: No
4 points

Now to answer you seriously.

Yes, it's wrong for a human to have sex with an animal that is not a human.

Animals don't have the wherewithal to say no, nor the brain capacity, and it is damaging to oneself and to the animal, even if you believe as you say there is some way to tell if they want it.

It would be no different than a grown man having sex with an 8 year old girl then saying "yeah but the whore got wet."

It doesn't matter, she's too young to have the wherewithal to stop him or often to even know what is going on.

The same applies to animals that are not people. So yeah, it is wrong.

3 years ago | Side: yes
ThePyg(6736) Disputed
2 points

Having sex with an animal is no different from having sex with an 8 year old girl? I know that's what you are NOT implying, but that's basically the only correlation you have made.

3 years ago | Side: No
iamdavidh(4844) Disputed
3 points

You're correct. They're obviously two very different things. Probably not a good ananlogy, the point wasn't they were anywhere near the same from the morality perspective. The correlation is if an adult human decides to have sex with either an animal or a child, it is rape because the animal or child cannot stop it from happening, and (often in the case of children and always in the of animals) the victim cannot report it and would not know how to or have opportunity to avoid the situation in the future.

However from a morality perspective. Rape of a child I put on the same level as murder, sex with animals maybe agravated assault or something.

3 years ago | Side: yes
steele(6) Disputed
2 points

I will have to dispute that all sex with animals is like the situation you made up. Animals are quite intelligent and capable creatures that are aware of their surroundings. Intelligence of this level is a pretty important prerequisite to survival in the wild.

Zoophiles/zoosexuals (people attracted to animals) are individuals too and are not cartoonish 2D sexual predators. People who love animals that deeply wouldn't be putting their sexual feelings before the animal partner they love and respect. (See my post on the other side for more)

3 years ago | Side: No
4 points

Sex with animals is an unnatural process. It is natural when species belonging to the same category have sex. However, there are many diseases that can be spread from human to animal sex and also it is a violation of the laws because in some form, it may or can cause damage to the animal.

3 years ago | Side: yes
steele(6) Disputed
2 points

Natrual/unnatural is an often undefined word. Sex isn't unnatural, its in our nature. If its unnatural, then why can we do it? If unnatural is bad, why do you watch tv, computers and go to far destinations by flying airplanes. Hairless primates flying long distances isn't very natural is it?

Can you name these diseases? The few that their are, are not near as common as the sexually transmitted diseases humans spread to one another. I'd suggest its not as bad as you make it out to be.

3 years ago | Side: No
sayyad99(746) Disputed
3 points

Its not sex itself that is unnatural, its the way you do it that makes it unnatural. Let me ask you this, is it natural for a human to have sex with an animal because if that was the case then it could not have had the ability to damage their body if their bodies were designed to have sex with humans and secondly the laws would not prohibit it had it been natural. Again sex is natural but the way you do it is what makes it unnatural. Having sex with animals is different from watching tv or computers (because you are not engaging in sexual intercourse with you t.v or computer). Animals can transmit Hepatitis A and other infections. If you are saying that having sex with animals is not as bad as i am claiming it to be, then the laws are making it seem worst than it is then.

3 years ago | Side: yes
2 points

Well, it just shows that the person doing it has severe mental deffeciencies. They can't score with the same species so they have to drop down to something that can't say no. There's no romance or connection between the two, and it's really impossible to find it sexually attractive with out having a mental disorder. Humans are attracted to humans. It's science. You don't see a monkey fucking a donkey. Why should a human with a fully functional brain?

3 years ago | Side: yes
steele(6) Disputed
3 points

If humans aren't attracted to the beauty of animals then how come stores sell buttloads of animal calendars, coffee mugs, posters, why are their so many websites dedicated to animals, and why does everyone think puppies, kittens and other baby animals are soooo cute!?

What your suggesting, it sounds like, is that because you don't understand this group of people and their not like you that they must be messed up. Scientist who study this area don't agree with you, unless its something that actually causes harm or dysfunction with their ability to operate in society.

There are plenty of examples of zoophiles who time and time again would choose the lifestyle they live with their animal partners over any other human you might think they should find attractive. There are also plenty of zoophiles who have successful marriages with zoo and non-zoo humans.

It sounds like you lack meaningful experience with the companionship a dog can bring into your life if you don't think such a social species isn't affectionate or can't build a lasting bond.

It may not be your cup of tea or something you don't comprehend very well but that doesn't make it wrong.

3 years ago | Side: No
1 point

People who have sex with animals have mental problems and they are strongly disturbed in the head!!Recently 2 local men from my hometown died after detectives say they found both men laying naked and leaned over a wooden box with there bloody backsides exposed inside the horsebarn. In the investigation they found lots of homemade video evidence that the two men were fed to death by there horses! This is a crazy inhumane pratice that must end immediately!!

3 years ago | Side: yes
1 point

Yes sex with animals is wrong because if you have sex with an animal you could get infected with a disease and you could die because you don't know what that particular animal disease it has.

1 year ago | Side: Yes
3 points

If I have sex with another human. I'm having sex with another animal ._.

3 years ago | Side: No
2 points

... I'm saying people are animals. Does someone disagree with this? Are we instead minerals or plants? If not then this remark hardly merited a downvote I think.

3 years ago | Side: No
3 points

There is nothing inherently wrong with the human animal having sex with other animals. Zoophilia is an orientation.

The topic of bestiality has been a taboo in our society for a long time but the stigma behind it isn't justified. All the latest science suggest that the majority of mammals are intelligent individuals and can enjoy sex just as much as we do. Studies on zoophiles and zoosexuals have only shown that they are misunderstood, understudied, and are a diverse group that functions well in society without a problem.

There are several common misunderstandings and bad perceptions about the subject of bestiality. Sex with animals CAN be abusive and cruel, but the same can be said for all other forms of sex. Often, the only time it is reported on is in the rare instance of an animal abuser that is caught molesting and harming an animal. So the publics perception is that the act only happens in an abusive and criminal context, when on the contrary, their are many more zoophiles in the world (that the public doesn't know about) that love their animal partners deeply and put their animal companions needs first.

First off animals are not robots. Behaviorism is an outdated way of explaining animal behavior that is not used anymore. Explaining away animal behavior as "just fallowing instincts" is oversimplifying the reality that these are complex and intelligent individuals each with their own unique personality.

Often they are compared to children because of their position in our society, and from hence we hear the argument that they can't consent and that sex with animals is akin to child abuse. The flaw in this argument is that while there are some similarities, the differences are much greater. Namely that adult animals can hunt for their own food, care for themselves, raise their own young and most importantly are sexually mature.

The other argument commonly used is that animals can't communicate and thus can't consent to sex. Anyone with any level of experience and awareness of other species should know this is false. Most all the species in the animal kingdom have some forum of language, and some have even learned some of our own. Just in the day to day action of a pet owner interacting with a dog sees volumes of information communicated through body language, behaviors and vocalizations. It requires communication for a dog to let you know when its hungry, needs to go to the bathroom, or wants to play. Why would this apply to every other behavior and interaction with animals except for sex?

Occasionally people cite health concerns as a reason bestiality should not be legal. Maybe that is because some people associate "lower" animals as dirty. The only likely risk is ticks, otherwise most kept animals are vetted for and kept clean. Because animal companions are a different species, there isn't a chance of getting pregnant, viruses and colds are usually too species specific, and human germs are far more dangerous to us then a canines germs.

For those who are worried about the welfare and rights of animals, we should look to the billions of meat and dairy animals that suffer systematic animal abuse and cruel methods of slaughter. Hunting of hundreds of thousands is allowed of almost every wild animal in the food chain (if they aren't already nearly extinct) and abandoned and unwanted domesticated animals die by the millions in shelters. Our focus should be on solving those problems instead of attacking a minority with an unpopular orientation.

Animals may not know math on the level we do, or be able to build homes to the hight our society does, but when it comes to personality, feelings, companionship and love, they are definitely our equals. So no, sex with animals is not wrong when the two sides are consenting and enjoying their relationship together.

3 years ago | Side: No
zombee(1023) Disputed
3 points

To preface, I am using the word 'animal' in this post only to refer to the typical victims of bestiality, like livestock and pets. There are animals, such as great apes or cetaceans, who are exceptions to many of the things I am about to say, so I feel it's important to make that distinction. It is usually very awkward to lump all animals together under the same label, as their behaviors and abilities are so diverse.

The topic of bestiality has been a taboo in our society for a long time but the stigma behind it isn't justified. All the latest science suggest that the majority of mammals are intelligent individuals and can enjoy sex just as much as we do.

As far as I am aware, there is no conclusive evidence on this subject. I have looked around, and found some people who believe that animals enjoy sex, and while they appear qualified, even they admit that no one can be certain. Animals seek it, of course, and some of them exhibit intense reactions to it, but we cannot assume they experience sex the same way we do. It is possible that the desire to have sex, for animals, is more about the removal of an unpleasant feeling than the addition of a pleasant feeling; I.e, taking your hand out of a fire when it's burning as opposed to getting a back rub. Having seen a cat in heat, I am inclined to subscribe to this theory with the available evidence.

The book you cited is certainly one I would like to read but it appears to address animal homosexuality, the existence or morality of which I am not disputing. Animal homosexuality has a potential evolutionary benefit, as community-living animals can gain from having full grown adults who have none of their own offspring, as they can devote time to caring for their relative's offspring. Homosexual sex can exist in the animal kingdom in the absence of sexual pleasure.

There is no reason for animals to be rewarded with pleasure for fulfilling every basic drive. If you are starving, and you eat something, you don't need to have an orgasm from eating that thing; not being hungry anymore is reward enough, even if the food tasted bad. In animals, the drive to have sex probably has nothing to with seeking pleasure, it is simply an ingrained instinct fueled by evolution. If sex was pleasurable for most animals, this could lead to dangerous situations and wasted resources. Sex is a strenuous activity and it is wasteful to engage in it when a female is infertile, and animals are vulnerable to attack during copulation.

Studies on zoophiles and zoosexuals have only shown that they are misunderstood, understudied, and are a diverse group that functions well in society without a problem.

If nobody knows what illegal activities someone does in their own time, then naturally they can go undetected in society. That zoophiles are misunderstood and understudied has no effect on the morality of having sex with an animal.

First off animals are not robots. Behaviorism is an outdated way of explaining animal behavior that is not used anymore. Explaining away animal behavior as "just fallowing instincts" is oversimplifying the reality that these are complex and intelligent individuals each with their own unique personality.

Often they are compared to children because of their position in our society, and from hence we hear the argument that they can't consent and that sex with animals is akin to child abuse. The flaw in this argument is that while there are some similarities, the differences are much greater. Namely that adult animals can hunt for their own food, care for themselves, raise their own young and most importantly are sexually mature.

Behaviorism is merely one extreme on a spectrum. One can recognize that animals are capable of varied and complex emotions, and still be honest about the fact that they are animals and we are very different from them. There are things they cannot comprehend, and I get the sense that people who support bestiality are in denial of this and attempt to elevate animals abilities beyond reality in order to make it okay to have sex with them. Once again, a comparison can be drawn between this and pedophilia. People with pedophilia believe they have developed a meaningful relationship with a child, that the relationship is good for both of them, and that the child could learn to enjoy themselves.

When you say animals are intelligent, to what/who are you comparing their mental abilities? If you are using humans as a yardstick, it should be plain that they are not as intelligent as us. Animals have many different types of intelligences and they outstrip humans at at certain tasks, such as navigation, memorization, and spacial awareness, that make them excellent at the things you mentioned, like hunting.

None of these things have anything to do with consenting to sex. A dog might be really good at catching a tennis ball in midair but that doesn't mean it can supply informed consent to sex with a human. Humans are unique in our social intelligence, imagination and our ability to guess at the thoughts and emotions of others. To pretend that other animals are capable of these things is to anthropomorphize them, and in the case of bestiality, the motive is a selfish one.

Again, a parallel could be drawn between pedophilia and zoophilia when you look at it like this, and although I would never compare pedophilia to bestiality when it comes to how it effects the victim, it is not an invalid comparison; animals and children are both mentally incapable of supplying informed consent, even though there are certain situations where they a) have been groomed to act as though they are seeking sex from an adult or b) curiosity or other innocent behavior is taken as consent by the perpetrator.

The other argument commonly used is that animals can't communicate and thus can't consent to sex. Anyone with any level of experience and awareness of other species should know this is false. Most all the species in the animal kingdom have some forum of language, and some have even learned some of our own. Just in the day to day action of a pet owner interacting with a dog sees volumes of information communicated through body language, behaviors and vocalizations. It requires communication for a dog to let you know when its hungry, needs to go to the bathroom, or wants to play. Why would this apply to every other behavior and interaction with animals except for sex?

Firstly, I dispute the claim that 'most all' species actually have language. Many are capable of communicating some emotions with certain sounds, but language is far, far more complicated than just that. The simple production of sounds doesn't qualify. Between humans and animals there is still a massive language barrier, and their inability to speak for themselves makes it easy for people to project their own feelings onto the animal's actions.

No animal I have ever observed or interacted with has ever done anything to make me wonder, even for a second, if they had the faintest desire to have intercourse with a human. I am sure animals that have been used for this can be trained to respond as such, but this is conditioned reaction rather than a genuine one.

Occasionally people cite health concerns as a reason bestiality should not be legal. Maybe that is because some people associate "lower" animals as dirty. The only likely risk is ticks, otherwise most kept animals are vetted for and kept clean. Because animal companions are a different species, there isn't a chance of getting pregnant, viruses and colds are usually too species specific, and human germs are far more dangerous to us then a canines germs.

This is not where my qualms lie with bestiality, so I won't spend a lot of time addressing these things. I will point out that there are animal-to-human diseases (called zoonoses) like toxocariasis, leptospirosis, and brucellosis.

For those who are worried about the welfare and rights of animals, we should look to the billions of meat and dairy animals that suffer systematic animal abuse and cruel methods of slaughter. Hunting of hundreds of thousands is allowed of almost every wild animal in the food chain (if they aren't already nearly extinct) and abandoned and unwanted domesticated animals die by the millions in shelters. Our focus should be on solving those problems instead of attacking a minority with an unpopular orientation.

This is confusing the issue. We are talking about bestiality, not anything else. Just because these things happen does not mean bestiality should be ignored or allowed.

Animals may not know math on the level we do, or be able to build homes to the hight our society does, but when it comes to personality, feelings, companionship and love, they are definitely our equals. So no, sex with animals is not wrong when the two sides are consenting and enjoying their relationship together.

Your argument seems to boil down to two claims: animals enjoy sex with a human if its done right, and animals are smart enough to consent to sex.

The first one, I feel, is of less consequence than the second, but in itself debatable. Even if its true (which I do not think it is), you cannot rationalize the initiation of sex with a partner just because they are physically capable of enjoying it.

For the second: if there was a human (of any age) with all the mental capabilities of a dog, most people would consider it at least ambiguously immoral to initiate sexual contact with that person, even if they did not forcibly resist. Why? Because we would understand that they simply do not have the capacity to fully comprehend what is happening.

3 years ago | Side: yes
2 points

I don't really see how it can be wrong...

someone provide evidence or something?

If a man has sex with a cow, how is it bad? Just cause? Or are you an animal rights fag who believes the man is abusing the animal? Then I guess your argument is lumped in with the other animal rights crap that normal people don't care about (like veganism and pets).

3 years ago | Side: No
sop4life603(52) Disputed
3 points

Did I say it was bad? No i did not. I stated that it is stooping low. Which has nothing to do with animals rights. Maybe you should get your facts right before going a rant like someone unintelligent would do.

3 years ago | Side: yes
ThePyg(6736) Disputed
2 points

Well, I know who the fuck you are and I definitely never made a response to you in this debate, so stop being such a little bitch.

My point stands. And, the question is if it's wrong, and I answered no.

3 years ago | Side: No
2 points

No, because humans are qualified as animals, and if people (animals) didn't have sexual intercourse, you wouldn't be here this very moment.

3 years ago | Side: No
1 point

http://www.thepetitionsite.com­/confirm.html send this to all the zoosexual friendly humans far, and wide. We need 10 thousand signatures. We only have at this time 11. We cannot have sex with an animal illegal because we are animals, and to make sex with an animal illegal would inadvertently by the books legally make all sex with mammals illegal.

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3 years ago | Side: No
2 points

the only difference between human race & other creatures on this planet is that "we think we are different"

____________________________________________________________

| Humans vs Animals

kill each other | Yes Yes

fight for territories & resources | Yes Yes

get sick & die | Yes Yes

share the same food & water | Yes Yes

same breeding methods | Yes Yes

have a breeding season | No Yes

have law govern all the kind | No Yes

pure physical strength | Laughable Amazing

build & destroy | Yes Yes

if you lock at this we are another type of animals like lions & dolphin if you consider your self a better being prove it

are you immortal, immune, at least control everything related to you, your desires needs, emotions, do control the circumstances that makes you who you are like intelligence or other things the answer is a huge NO that equals the size of the universe which you are nothing more than a dust or even smaller compared to it

1 year ago | Side: No
2 points

It's like I said on another page...If it ain't hurtin anybody, especially the animal, and the animal is sexually mature, a large breed, etc. and it or the owner consents to it, it's fine and has no place under criminal codes under our corrupt government and justice system!

1 year ago | Side: No
1 point

What humans have gotten away from is the innocence before the fall of man,and man has complicated an act way out of proportions . All of this confusion is born of the devil,and did not exist before man choose vanity willingly.When we are like the dog is when the devil will leave us,and allow Jesus to enter us saving our soul. To say sex with an animal is wromg is to say all sex with all mammals is wrong.Whoever thought sex that sex with an animal as being wrong is the one to have their head examined.

3 years ago | Side: No
1 point

How can it be? We are a species of animal. This is a planet that has sex on it. What is the problem?The problem starts when people refuse to act like they are in God's ' kingdom. They do not save their soul. We are responsible to save our own soul. People see that saving their soul. People warring will emulate the people that war. The war against the zoo needs to end.

201 days ago | Side: No


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