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Should Abortion be legal
Should abortion of fetuses be legal for circumstances outside of medical emergencies which endanger the mother. More specifically, should abortion be legal when the mother is not threatened by the fetus. The Affirmative Position will argue that it should be legal and the Negative Position will argue why it should not be legal.
While I am personally against it I believe it should be legal. Having abortion illegal does not prevent it but possibly makes it more prevalent. Take a look at the abortion rates of countries where it is illegal and legal (For a fair comparison, I have compared countries with similar geographical locations and economic situations):
Number of abortions per year:
Chile (Illegal): 45 per 1,000 women
Mexico (Illegal): 33 per 1,000 women
Guatemala (Illegal): 24 per 1,000 women
Indonesia (Illegal): 26 per 1,000 women
Iran (Illegal): 27 per 1,000 women
Tanzania (Illegal): 36 per 1,000 women
Nigeria (Illegal): 33 per 1,000 women
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Tunisia (Legal): 2.8 per 1,000 women
Turkey (Legal): 4.5 per 1,000 women
Cambodia (Legal): 4.91 per 1,000 women
Guyana (Legal): 16 per 1,000 women
Greece (Legal): 14.4 per 1,000 women
A study conducted by The Lancet also found that abortion rates are higher in countries where it is outlawed (1).
Having abortion illegal only makes it much more dangerous which leads to high injury and death rates among women. In Brazil alone, where abortion is illegal, 200,000 women are hospitalized each year from botched abortions.
Things that will effectively prevent abortion are birth control, sex education (abstinence based sex education does not work) and providing support to mothers in need. We also need to be supportive and understanding of women who have gotten pregnant at an inconvenient time and not judge them for their mistake (don't we all make mistakes?).
1. Abortion incidence between 1990 and 2014: global, regional, and subregional levels and trends, Sedgh, Gilda et al. The Lancet, Volume 388 , Issue 10041 , 258 - 267
WASHINGTON — Cecile Richards, who has served as president of Planned Parenthood since 2006, will soon step down from her position, two sources told BuzzFeed News on Wednesday.
No official timetable has been reported, but a statement provided to BuzzFeed said that Richards “plans to discuss 2018 and the next steps for Planned Parenthood’s future” at next week’s board meeting.
During Richards’ tenure as president, Planned Parenthood increased the number of abortions performed each year by more than 10%. In 2006, Planned Parenthood performed 289,750 abortions. In the 2016-2017 report, that number had grown to 321,384.
On average, Planned Parenthood carried out 320,000 abortions each year during Richards’ tenure.
And i want to hear about how the Left care about children
Asking permission or forgiveness for pregnancy termination by the public is not.
Abortions are public legal admissions of guilt. Maybe people should understand that before they argue the crime confessed and its alibi given, so then they might clearly see why they can be found to be illegal. A Professional-choice is not a United States constitutional choice, one is made over Constitutional right, and the other over money.
Is the United States Constitutional judicial separation process willing to give up legally fornicating woman? Should Female Specific Amputation be legal?
You're saying that abortion is legal and stuff, which it already is, but the question is asking whether it should or shouldn't be legal in terms of the mother not being in danger of death from the pregnancy.
Yes, I am saying an admission to a crime is legal even if the woman believes she is in danger, or is really in danger. There are several Unite states created by the use of the word abortion. Outside the biggest which is an admission of guilt, there is the transferable self-incrimination, and outside the transferable self-incrimination there is a miss-use of the word abortion.
Abortion is an official stop/pause used only on things to have been officially started to address issues concerning life threating malfunctions. The process which is aborted is either restarted, or terminated for safety. Abortion on the other hand takes place with a really woman when she does not become pregnant while she goes through menstruation up until menopause.
The medical profession and genetic sciences see the human embryo as alive and its life is simply extended in a couple ways, cryogenic freezing, and pregnancy are different ways of preserving a living thing that has already been documented. So it is the stopping of the conception process which is when an abortion takes place according to the principle of the word. The other circumstance is termination or female specific amputation.
The reason why legislation of law around the word abortion is illegal. Self-incrimination is never addressed to a standard of United States Constitution the crime is never verbally removed from the admission of guilt. The demonstration set to protect the United States Constitution is female specific amputation. This admission has no self-incrimination of guilt. this places all voters in danger of committing perjury or become accomplish after the fact. both of which would remove them as legal voters.
Yes it should , it recently became legal in my country thankfully .
My position is that a woman should have the right to make this choice , the reasons for having an abortion is not taken lightly by most and to demonise women making this choice is a form
of tyranny
A fetus is where it is by permission this can be withdrawn at anytime by the woman , why should any supposed fetal rights supercede those of the woman ?
My position is that a woman should have the right to make this choice , the reasons for having an abortion is not taken lightly by most and to demonise women making this choice is a form
of tyranny
How is it a form of tyranny?
A fetus is where it is by permission
No one asked permission for a fetus to be where it is.
this can be withdrawn at anytime by the woman ,
Even if the mother's life isn't threatened?
why should any supposed fetal rights supercede those of the woman ?
You're pretty much asking why having the right to life is more important than having the option to kill the fetus, why's that? You think that life isn't valuable?
Because you're dictating to a woman what she may and do with her body
So it's bad if you tell a woman that she shouldn't get an abortion because it will kill the fetus, but it's perfectly fine and NOT tyrannical when you abort the fetus? Sounds like hypocrisy.
Yes , certainly
So you can just kill the baby because you can? Because that's what you're implying.
No , I'm saying the rights of the living trump any supposed rights of the unborn
Do you normally tell complete strangers what they can do ?
No not usually, but you can. If you're driving and you break the speed limit, then a cop pulls you over and asks the driver for his/her license, should the driver refuse because the cop can't tell a stranger what to do?
Saying it's "bad " is merely your opinion
I'm pretty much saying what you said since you said it was tyrannical if you deny a woman access to abortion. So you saying that is merely your opinion then, eh?
I dont think women deem themselves tyrannical , but you do as you seem to believe you have a right to dictate to them
Did I say that exactly?
Nonsense
Explain.
So that's the reason women abort because they can ....Wow
How about you answer the question instead of making your own interpretations?
Incorrect , that's you attempting to tell me what you " think " I'm saying whilst failing to acknowledge what I actually said
I first asked if you can abort the fetus even if the woman is NOT in danger of her health, and you said yes. So by saying that, you're implying that you can abort the fetus for whatever reason, even if it's not because it's a risk to the woman's health. What I asked was just one of the reasons that a woman can abort the fetus. The one where I asked if the woman can kill the baby just because she can. Then you didn't even answer the question and instead avoided it by saying something completely different. If I just so happened to fail to acknowledge what you said, then make yourself clearer for a change.
Did I indeed ? Proof would be good please
It was in one of our long debates about abortion. But it doesn't really matter because it's not part of the debate. Either you said that or someone else did, I can't remember exactly, but it was definitely in an abortion debate we had months ago.
did you really compare forcing a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy for 9 months to giving the cop your drivers license? a better comparison would be if this cop pulls you over, and says you must now sleep with him for the next 9 months. because I made a mistake I have to commit my body, time and mental well being to something I don’t want?
Woman abort for many different reasons, even if her health is not in danger. One of those reasons is not “just because she can”, abortion is not something women do for fun & is a last resort. first of all it’s expensive and second of all it can be painful. However, if a woman accidentally gets pregnant and her birth control fails, it is totally her right to have an abortion. A fetus is not a person and a woman has the right to decide if she wants to carry a fetus to term. I wish pro-lifers cared as much about the poor children in the foster care system as they do about partially developed fetuses.
Well approach a woman and berate her for her choice ....good luck
If you're driving and you break the speed limit, then a cop pulls you over and asks the driver for his/her license, should the driver refuse because the cop can't tell a stranger what to do?
It's the job of the police to enforce the law are they stopping random women and arresting them for planning abortions now ?
I'm pretty much saying what you said since you said it was tyrannical if you deny a woman access to abortion.
Yes it is
So you saying that is merely your opinion then, eh?
Yes , why does that upset you ?
Did I say that exactly?
You claim you have the right to condem them and tell them what they can do , that's tyranny
No not usually, but you can.
Bet you don't tell women to their face , whys that ?
If you're driving and you break the speed limit, then a cop pulls you over and asks the driver for his/her license, should the driver refuse because the cop can't tell a stranger what to do?
So going on your " logic " cops now stop women and tell them they're breaking the law and arrest them for aborting ?
Your point is absurd
I'm pretty much saying what you said since you said it was tyrannical if you deny a woman access to abortion. So you saying that is merely your opinion then, eh?
Yes , whys that a shock to you ?
Did I say that exactly?
More or less
Explain.
???
How about you answer the question instead of making your own interpretations?
Your words not mine
I first asked if you can abort the fetus even if the woman is NOT in danger of her health, and you said yes.
Yes
So by saying that, you're implying that you can abort the fetus for whatever reason, even if it's not because it's a risk to the woman's health.
Yes
What I asked was just one of the reasons that a woman can abort the fetus. The one where I asked if the woman can kill the baby just because she can.
Women don't do it just because they can , where do you get this stuff ?
Then you didn't even answer the question and instead avoided it by saying something completely different
Which is why I still keep giving direct answers , do keep up
If I just so happened to fail to acknowledge what you said, then make yourself clearer for a change.
I cannot be clearer as in answering with yes or no why is this so difficult for you ?
It was in one of our long debates about abortion.
I never said that
But it doesn't really matter because it's not part of the debate.
But it does matter as you're being untruthful
Either you said that or someone else did, I can't remember
But yet you accuse me hardly fair is it ?
but it was definitely in an abortion debate we had months ago.
Shut up you prize cabbage , this coming from you who hero worships the rapist Marx and the peadophile Muhammad and claimed the moon landings were faked😂😂😂
LOL. Omg, I do not even know how it is possible for a person to be so overwhelmingly thick and so obnoxious simultaneously.
Everything you say is wrong and fucking hilariously stupid.
This would make Asma 28 years of age in 1 A.H., the year of the Hijra, thus making Aisha 18 years old in 1 A.H. So Aisha would be 19 years old at the time of the consummation of her marriage, and 14 or 15 years old at the time of her nikah. It would place her year of birth at four or five years before the Call.
Let me continue your education you dumb cunt , you attempt to hold forth on subjects you haven’t a clue on , I’ve corrected you several times and still you adhere to quoting from Muslim apologetic websites like the thicko you are .....
You undoubtedly never heard of the Sahih Bukhari which accurately portrays the life and times of Muhammad and is deemed sacred amongst Muslims and .......
Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī (Arabic: صحيح البخاري), also known as Bukhari Sharif (Arabic: بخاري شريف), is one of the Kutub al-Sittah (six major hadith collections) of Sunni Islam. These prophetic traditions, or hadith, were collected by the Muslim scholar Muhammad al-Bukhari, after being transmitted orally for generations. It was completed around 846/232 AH. Sunni Muslims view this as one of the two most trusted collections of hadith along with Sahih Muslim, yet not generally infallible.[1][2] The Arabic word sahih translates as authentic or correct.[3] Sahih al-Bukhari, together with Sahih Muslim is known as Sahihayn.
Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236
You’ve just been schooled ......Again 🖕
You’ve attempted a weak “defence “ of the peado “prophet “ and being schooled so tell me what’s your defence for the alcoholic , rapist Marx again ?
It's the job of the police to enforce the law are they stopping random women and arresting them for planning abortions now ?
Why do you keep twisting my words?
You claim you have the right to condem them and tell them what they can do , that's tyranny
I never said that I have the right to tell women what they can do. I said that I could, not that I want to. If a father told his son to do something which the son didn't like, is that tyranny?
So going on your " logic " cops now stop women and tell them they're breaking the law and arrest them for aborting ?
Your point is absurd
Again, you're twisting my words. You're always interpreting things wrong.
???
Explain why it's not hypocrisy.
Your words not mine
You continue to avoid the question.
Which is why I still keep giving direct answers , do keep up
But you're not.
I never said that
Ok, so what I asked before was, "You think that life isn't valuable?"
Apparently I realized that I asked you a different question. The question I asked you about a few months ago was, "Don't you think that all human life is important?" And your answer was "No I don't" The questions were similar, so that's why asked the question in the first place of whether you were in favor of life in general, and when you said you never said that, I was saying that you did.
I’m demonstrating how bizarre your argument is as in your police scenario which has no revelance to the argument at hand , you’re the one doing the twisting using it and thus twisting the argument to favour you , so why do you object when I do the very same thing ?
I never said that I have the right to tell women what they can do.
Ok
I said that I could, not that I want to.
If a father told his son to do something which the son didn't like, is that tyranny?
Yes , if the son is an adult and living his own life it’s none of the fathers business
Again, you're twisting my words. You're always interpreting things wrong.
No , I’m using your cop argument against you , so maybe stop using it ?
Explain why it's not hypocrisy.
Choosing to abort is not tyrannical , only you seem to think this way , demanding a women obey you and others by denying them the right to abort is tyranny
You continue to avoid the question.
How so ?
But you're not.
I certainly am , as in above
Ok, so what I asked before was, "You think that life isn't valuable?"
Apparently I realized that I asked you a different question.
Ok
The question I asked you about a few months ago was, "Don't you think that all human life is important?"
Ok , I will go with that in the spirit of debate
And your answer was "No I don't" The questions were similar, so that's why asked the question in the first place of whether you were in favor of life in general, and when you said you never said that, I was saying that you did.
Well it would be helpful if we had the original because I can only comment fairly if I see such , you seem to have a suddenly remarkable memory for this part of our debate yet the other day you couldn’t remember either way .
You do not believe all human life is important do you hold others life’s as important as your own or is your life more important?
I’m demonstrating how bizarre your argument is as in your police scenario which has no revelance to the argument at hand
What I asked in the cop scenario was if the driver shouldn't give his/her license because a stranger can't tell him/her what to do. That would be similar to a stranger telling a woman she shouldn't kill the fetus. But what you did was say something completely different and avoided the question.
you’re the one doing the twisting using it and thus twisting the argument to favour you ,
I was the one that came up with the original example in question form. Then you didn't answer the question, instead you said "It's the job of the police to enforce the law are they stopping random women and arresting them for planning abortions now?" I expected a yes or no answer with an explanation, but you said something completely different. You're trying to accuse me of something I didn't do.
Yes , if the son is an adult and living his own life it’s none of the fathers business
Well I was referring to like a 10 year old, but what if the father is trying to help out his son? What if the son is doing something wrong? Should the father not help and let him fail?
No , I’m using your cop argument against you , so maybe stop using it ?
No, all you're doing is taking what I said and giving it a whole new meaning. I never said that cops arrest women for aborting fetuses. What I said about the cop was its own example and not having anything to do with abortion, then you brought up cops arresting women for aborting.
Choosing to abort is not tyrannical ,
What you're basically saying is that it's cruel to tell a woman to not kill her baby, which is a ridiculous idea.
How so ?
By not answering the question.
Well it would be helpful if we had the original because I can only comment fairly if I see such , you seem to have a suddenly remarkable memory for this part of our debate yet the other day you couldn’t remember either way .
Well I had to go to your arguments from like 95 days ago because you were the one who said "No I don't" and it took a while. Not sure if you know this but I had my other account when we were debating about the exact same topic except 100 days ago.
You do not believe all human life is important do you hold others life’s as important as your own or is your life more important?
My life isn't anymore important than yours, or anyone else's, except maybe when they're like the prime minister, member of government, president, you get the idea. But my point is that human life IS important. I mean, if we weren't we'd just be like all the rest of the animals in the animal kingdom. Not saying other animals are useless, but I think you get the idea. It's not worth killing anyone, really. But the world isn't perfect, and there will be people murdering others, and no one can stop it, unless in the future we had a civilized country. You as well as I know that neither of our opinions will change. I may not have told you this but if the mother's life is in danger, I would want her life to be saved. It's sad to kill the baby just because the would kill the mother, but that baby could've had a life, a good life for it. I also get that overpopulation is a thing, but I don't think going all out Thanos is the solution.
Also of course I’m in favour of life in general
Ok, if there was of woman, 28, healthy, and able to give birth to a baby without any problems, but she just wasn't ready to have a kid, or just wasn't comfortable with the idea of having one, and wanted to have an abortion, would you let her still have that abortion? Let's also say this woman was your wife, and you wanted a child.
What I asked in the cop scenario was if the driver shouldn't give his/her license because a stranger can't tell him/her what to do. That would be similar to a stranger telling a woman she shouldn't kill the fetus. But what you did was say something completely different and avoided the question.
It’s an apples and pears situation and has no relevance to what we are talking about
I was the one that came up with the original example in question form. Then you didn't answer the question, instead you said "It's the job of the police to enforce the law are they stopping random women and arresting them for planning abortions now?" I expected a yes or no answer with an explanation, but you said something completely different. You're trying to accuse me of something I didn't do.
I’m not , why do you have to keep using examples that have no bearing g on the argument, ask what you want to ask without resorting to such tactics and I will answer
/Well I was referring to like a 10 year old, but what if the father is trying to help out his son? What if the son is doing something wrong? Should the father not help and let him fail?
What has this got to do with the topic in question ?
Incidentally using your example you’re assuming abortion is wrong and a father has the right to say it using your scenario , what about fathers who agree with abortion ?
No , I’m using your cop argument against you , so maybe stop using it ?
No, all you're doing is taking what I said and giving it a whole new meaning.
If you see it that way stop using it
I never said that cops arrest women for aborting fetuses. What I said about the cop was its own example and not having anything to do with abortion, then you brought up cops arresting women for aborting.
This is getting confusing , what do you really want to say ?
What you're basically saying is that it's cruel to tell a woman to not kill her baby, which is a ridiculous idea.
Bet you don’t tell any women in the real world
they’re “ridiculous “ ,why’s that ? Claiming others are ridiculous is not an argument
By not answering the question.
But I have
Well it would be helpful if we had the original because I can only comment fairly if I see such , you seem to have a suddenly remarkable memory for this part of our debate yet the other day you couldn’t remember either way .
Well I had to go to your arguments from like 95 days ago because you were the one who said "No I don't" and it took a while. Not sure if you know this but I had my other account when we were debating about the exact same topic except 100 days ago.
Pity you didn’t copy and paste the argument , the link would be helpful ?
Yes I know who you are , incidentally why are you still trying to convince of something I don’t accept ?
I’ve no desire to convince you of my position it matters not to me that you hold different views
why do you have to keep using examples that have no bearing g on the argument,
But they're similar in that certain situation.
What has this got to do with the topic in question ?
What I tried to say ask in the first place was if a father telling his son what to do tyrannical, since we were talking about how telling a woman what to do is apparently a form of tyranny. But, is it still tyranny if the father is trying to help his son out?
If you see it that way stop using it
Well twisting words isn't really much of an argument.
Bet you don’t tell any women in the real world
they’re “ridiculous “ ,why’s that ? Claiming others are ridiculous is not an argument
I never said that women are ridiculous, I called your idea of "Telling women to not kill her baby is tyrannical" ridiculous. Again, twisting my words, and as usual not an argument.
Yes I know who you are , incidentally why are you still trying to convince of something I don’t accept ?
Because that's what debating is about. I try to get others to see what is right. But hey if killing babies is something you like so be it.
I’ve no desire to convince you of my position it matters not to me that you hold different views
Ok so we have different views that no of us will ever change, end of story I guess.
But you still didn't answer that last question I asked... If you don't want to answer it, fine. If you do, I would appreciate it. If you want to continue the argument, that's fine too, but as you would put it, we won't change each other's mind.
You’re attempting to force the conversation by making comparisons that are totally biased
But they're similar in that certain situation.
They’re not read above
What I tried to say ask in the first place was if a father telling his son what to do tyrannical,
What I’m saying is a father telling his daughter not to abort is tyrannical and none of his business
since we were talking about how telling a woman what to do is apparently a form of tyranny.
Not apparently, it is
But, is it still tyranny if the father is trying to help his son out?
That’s merely your bias again you have assumed the right of the father because hes “ trying to help his son out “ in your opinion , let’s now honestly assess what you’re saying which is ...... A father has the right to tell a daughter not to abort because he’s trying to “ help her out “ , that’s a bully and a tyrant interfering in something that’s none of his business
Well twisting words isn't really much of an argument.
I agree yet you keep doing it look at that father son scenario a typical example to shift the goalposts , doesn’t look the same when I say what you actually mean does it ?
I never said that women are ridiculous, I called your idea of "Telling women to not kill her baby is tyrannical" ridiculous. Again, twisting my words, and as usual not an argument.
You said many things here is one quote from you “
What you're basically saying is that it's cruel to tell a woman to not kill her baby, which is a ridiculous idea”
So there you go it’s an act of kindness on you part to tell a woman it’s wrong to abort , as you keep saying it’s ridiculous to deem it cruel
Because that's what debating is about. I try to get others to see what is right.
No , what you think is right
But hey if killing babies is something you like so be it.
But hey , if misrepresenting me is something you like so be it , where did I say I like killing babies , you’re acting like a jerk now
Ok so we have different views that no of us will ever change, end of story I guess.
Yes
But you still didn't answer that last question I asked... If you don't want to answer it, fine.
But I did , if you have another question please ask it directly without resorting to totally unrelated scenarios with fathers and sons
shouldn't give his/her license because a stranger can't tell him/her what to do. That would be similar to a stranger telling a woman she shouldn't kill the fetus. But what you did was say something completely different and avoided the question.
I wish you would just ask what you want to ask instead of these confusing father /son Policeman /citizen arguments , can you do that
I was the one that came up with the original example in question form. Then you didn't answer the question, instead you said "It's the job of the police to enforce the law are they stopping random women and arresting them for planning abortions now?" I expected a yes or no answer with an explanation, but you said something completely different. You're trying to accuse me of something I didn't do.
I’m not , please clearly ask your question without these weird asides
Well I was referring to like a 10 year old, but what if the father is trying to help out his son? What if the son is doing something wrong? Should the father not help and let him fail?
Read above
No, all you're doing is taking what I said and giving it a whole new meaning. I never said that cops arrest women for aborting fetuses. What I said about the cop was its own example and not having anything to do with abortion, then you brought up cops arresting women for aborting.
Read above
what you're basically saying is that it's cruel to tell a woman to not kill her baby, which is a ridiculous idea.
I’ve addressed this in the other post
By not answering the question.
Ask a clearly worded question and I will reply
Well I had to go to your arguments from like 95 days ago because you were the one who said "No I don't" and it took a while. Not sure if you know this but I had my other account when we were debating about the exact same topic except 100 days ago.
I’ve addressed this
My life isn't anymore important than yours, or anyone else's, except maybe when they're like the prime minister, member of government, president, you get the idea. But my point is that human life IS important. I mean, if we weren't we'd just be like all the rest of the animals in the animal kingdom. Not saying other animals are useless, but I think you get the idea. It's not worth killing anyone, really. But the world isn't perfect, and there will be people murdering others, and no one can stop it, unless in the future we had a civilized country. You as well as I know that neither of our opinions will change. I may not have told you this but if the mother's life is in danger, I would want her life to be saved. It's sad to kill the baby just because the would kill the mother, but that baby could've had a life, a good life for it. I also get that overpopulation is a thing, but I don't think going all out Thanos is the solution.
Also of course I’m in favour of life in general
Ok, if there was of woman, 28, healthy, and able to give birth to a baby without any problems, but she just wasn't ready to have a kid, or just wasn't comfortable with the idea of having one, and wanted to have an abortion, would you let her still have that abortion?
Sure , her choice not mine to make
Let's also say this woman was your wife, and you wanted a child.
That would be a problem , I would have to hear her reasons but of course if we agreed on having kids and she went against our joint wishes of course I would be upset to say the least ...... say it was your wife and you didn’t want kids and she went ahead how would you feel ?
Well ok then since for some reason you decided to respond to the same argument again instead of responding to my new one I'll just go along. Also since you're asking for a clear question I'll give you one.
Why do you think it's ok to let a woman get an abortion even if she's not in danger of her health? (I know you already answered this, but I want to hear why letting someone kill a human being is ok) If her health was at risk it would make more sense, but what if her health wasn't? You're basically letting a murder happen, and then say it's ok.
say it was your wife and you didn’t want kids and she went ahead how would you feel ?
Well I wouldn't be the happiest, but my happiness isn't what really matters, it would be raising the kid that matters because I would have a responsibility to take care of.
What was the new one ? Our posts are quiet long and it’s hard to keep track
You didn't see it? It should've came up on the "show replies" if you clicked it. If you didn't see it it's probably a glitch.
you seem to think they do it because they can .
Oh you misunderstood, what I said about that was just a question, of course I know that women have their own reasons. I could've easily said something like "Because they're not ready for a kid?"
A potential human being
Technically it's a human being but in the fetal stage. I think you would mean "A potential newborn." But if you still think it's a "potential" human, then what is it really if it's not a human yet?
I’m not and you saying it’s “ murder “ is merely your opinion
Then why does the fetus die?
why do you call it something it’s not ?
I'm not, what I'm saying is true. Abortion kills the fetus, is that so hard to understand?
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Ok
Oh you misunderstood, what I said about that was just a question, of course I know that women have their own reasons. I could've easily said something like "Because they're not ready for a kid?"
Yes that’s a good enough reason
Technically it's a human being but in the fetal stage
Yes it’s a fetus
. I think you would mean "A potential newborn."
No , I mea;a potential human being , it’s hardly the finished article
But if you still think it's a "potential" human, then what is it really if it's not a human yet?
A fetus
Then why does the fetus die?
Because it’s aborted which is not deemed murder
I'm not, what I'm saying is true.
Ok
Abortion kills the fetus, is that so hard to understand?
I understand it perfectly ,of course it terminates the pregnancy isn’t that what we are talking about ?
So when does it become human then? When it gets a central nervous system and is able to feel pain?
I don't get how you think a fetus isn't human. It comes from a human and it looks human. Why does it have to have those qualities in order for it to be considered human?
think you misunderstand, I mean what kind of fetus if you say it's not human. Is it an alien?
I said it's a potential / developing human
How is it not human if it has human characteristics, and comes from a human?
How's an apple seed not an apple tree when it comes from an apple ?
Well, when it's aborted, the fetus' life is ended. How? Well, it gets killed by a person. It's basically legal murder.
If it's legal well legally it's not murder , I disagree with the rights of American citizens to carry guns but it's legal you defend this yet you attack others because they're granted a right you disagree with , that's life isn't it ?
Developing yes, potential no, since it's already human and we've discussed this.
How's an apple seed not an apple tree when it comes from an apple ?
An apple is a fruit, and within it, it contains apple seeds. The seeds themselves come from apples, making the apple seeds. A seeed is different from a tree. It's still an apple tree because it came from an apple seed, which came directly from the apple. Also because that's the order of the life of a tree. A human however, goes from sperm, to zygote, then fetus, and finally it becomes old enough to be born. It's still a human regardless of what you call it.
If it's legal well legally it's not murder ,
It's only legal because we made it legal. But legal or not legal, it's still murder, the fetus still dies from someone performing the abortion.
I disagree with the rights of American citizens to carry guns
Why? You think we shouldn't be able to protect ourselves?
but it's legal you defend this yet you attack others because they're granted a right you disagree with , that's life isn't it ?
I don't "attack" others as you put it. I'm just simply debating you, and whoever here thinks that murdering babies is a good thing.
There are a few reasons I believe abortion should be legal. Firstly, individuals and even scientists cannot agree on when “life” or personhood begins. Some believe life begins preconception, some
believe life begins at conception, some when the fetus has a heartbeat, some when fetal brain activity exhibits regular wave patterns, and so forth. Therefore, I believe it is a woman’s right to choose whether she wants to carry a pregnancy to term. There are a lot of valid reasons that a woman may choose abortion, just because her birth control fails she should not be forced to have a child. Another arguement for legalizing abortion is that a large percentage of women who have abortions are single and living in poverty. The cost of having birth and the cost of raising a child is incredibly expensive so if you are arguing that abortion should be banned you should also be arguing for higher taxes and more tax money going towards welfare. And my final argument is, as some people have previously mentioned, countries where abortion has been banned have higher abortion rates than countries where it is illegal. Illegal abortions are more dangerous for the woman and could also lead to an increase in late term abortions. Furthermore, by banning abortion women will inevitably be prosecuting for having illegal abortions, and in some instances it’s hard to differentiate an abortion and a miscarriage. For example, El Salvador has infamously had a couple of cases of women who served 15 years in prison for having a miscarriage. Abortion can be substantially decreased by providing affordable long-term birth control, not banning it. Ultimately every woman should have the right to choose.
brain activity doesn't start until about 7 weeks, i believe. therefore until 7 weeks have elapsed, abortion should be legal, as brain activity is considered a fundamental requirement for being alive.
So you're saying that before that time the fetus is dead? Brain activity at this stage is no more than a precondition, it doesn't demonstrate that the foetus is actually 'conscious'.
“The precept at the heart of the neurological view of the beginning of human life is the significant development of neural pathways that are critical for characteristic human brain activity. The formation of these neural connections is often viewed to culminate in the acquisition of humanness, a stage during the third trimester of human gestation when the overwhelming majority of neural pathways in the cerebral cortex are established (Morowitz and Trefil 1992).” Just because the brain has begun to develop does not equate to a functional brain. Fetus is still incapable of feeling pain or emotion at 7 weeks.
What about all of the taxpayers who are having to struggle to pay for the millions of Abortions.
Should someone be concerned about them too. ? ?
These oppressions and limitations are decided as a government decision and issue because women want to use the government to force working class Americans to pay the bills for all of the sexual activity and sexual pleasures and sexual adventures
Of the women of America..
Does not healthcare { CONTRACEPTION AND ABORTION } depend on the personal decisions and financial _ bank account - taxing choices of the woman.
The 'religious' people and Pro-Choice people are not forcing and demanding and making women have seX and have abortions. !
The personal choices of the woman have nothing to do with religion.
WHY - Is it the responsibility of Americans to hand their personal hard earned money out to women, to pay the fee, toll and cost of every single woman’s sexual pleasures and joys ?
in the entire earth. ?
this is a horrible idea especially if You are saving Your own money for a future family and waiting until You can personally afford it, before You have seX.
how is it Your responsibility to hand over Your hard earned money to me - to cover the cost of my seXual adventures, My sexual joys and seXy pleasures. ?
The woman chooses to squirt a man’s sperm deep up into Own vaginal cavity.
If she cannot afford it – she should face the consequences and not expect a Liberal Democrat Politician to act a pickpocket and a thief and rip funds out of others bank accounts who are waiting to have sex until they can afford the bills. And others who are having safe sex.
Saving money for the pill or a condom. Yes - PRO-CHOICE WITH - PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
NOT , PRO-CHOICE with demands to make financial choices for - the responsible others, to pay the fees, bills, and costs for the lusts, the sexual adventures, pleasures, raptures, joys and sexual funs and sexual - journeys - for Liberal Democrats. with no limits. !
Oh really, come on man, this shouldn't even be a debate. Honestly, why is killing a fetus "ok"? A fetus isn't just a sack of meat inside a woman, it's a living human being. Aborting a fetus is the equivalent of killing an innocent man. Why should age difference matter? We all have a right to pursuit life. The only time when a fetus should be aborted is when it is in fact threatening the mother's life, in which the mother would die. But I would rather have both saved instead of just the mother. If we had the technology, I think it would be possible. If my hypothesis is wrong, well, it's wrong, and maybe there is no hope for both mother and child being saved. I get that there are women who are raped, and some managed to get pregnant, but that shouldn't be a reason as to why the mother should allow the child to be aborted. Keep in mind that rape is the smallest cause of abortions compared to other causes such as "I'm not ready for a baby." So basically you can get an abortion just because you don't want it. That to me is absurd. If you don't want a baby and aren't ready for one, just put it up for adoption.
I too am personally very against abortion but I believe it should be legal. Having it illegal does not prevent abortion but only makes it more dangerous leading to the deaths of more than just the fetus. And the problem with putting it up for adoption is that most of the time it won't be adopted. It will most likely end up in institutional care or foster care.
Having it illegal does not prevent abortion but only makes it more dangerous leading to the deaths of more than just the fetus.
How does it make it more dangerous? Do you mean as in women not getting access to abortions and then needing to get an alternative for it or something else?
And the problem with putting it up for adoption is that most of the time it won't be adopted.
I understand that that's a problem, but it's much better than being dead.
It is more dangerous because women will either do it themselves (by drugging themselves, injuring their stomachs etc.) or will go to an illegal doctor that doesn't have proper equipment and will use dangerous methods to abort the baby. Heard of coat hanger abortions? And even if the baby ends up being born, the mother could put the child in a dumpster or down a drop toilet which does happen in places where it is illegal. In Brazil, where it is illegal, about 200,000 women are hospitalized each year from botched abortions. I can agree with your second statement.
It is more dangerous because women will either do it themselves (by drugging themselves, injuring their stomachs etc.) or will go to an illegal doctor that doesn't have proper equipment and will use dangerous methods to abort the baby.
Hmm, so just as I thought then. So do they do it when they know that the baby will be a health risk to themselves, or just because they don't want it and then they'll use methods to stop it from being born? I would rather have the baby be born knowing that it won't cause harm to the mother, instead of the woman deciding that they don't want it and then proceed to abort it.
Heard of coat hanger abortions?
No, actually.
The thing that I would prefer is for there to be better services and procedures for when a woman is pregnant. If it's the case where she doesn't want it, then I would say that the baby should be born first without any sort of trouble, and then be put in the care of other adults. If the woman is in danger of dying, then there should be a surgical procedure where the woman can be saved despite the fetus being killed in the process. But I would like for both to be saved at the same time.
Most of the time it is because they don't want it. They may be financially unable to support the child or want to continue pursuing a career or education or they fear being judged for having the child. I would also rather the baby be born but unfortunately we cannot control whether or not women seek out an abortion. What we can do is provide birth control, sex education and support to mothers which have all been shown to help massively reduce the number of abortions.
A big problem with many of the countries where abortion is illegal is that having sex before marriage is considered very taboo. Since it is looked down upon so much, women find it much harder and frightening to discuss it with others. We must be understanding towards women who do get pregnant at inconvenient times so that they will be more open about it so that they can discuss their options rather than getting scared and seeking an abortion. Many, if not most, women who get an abortion are against it, they just feel they have no other option.
"I understand that that's a problem, but it's much better than being dead."
Living in foster care is a horrible and dehumanizing experience, and after 18, it's almost always road straight to homelessness compared to having lived in a loving home.
Aborting a fetus is not anywhere near equivalent to killing a man. And the difference has nothing to do with age. The difference lies in being a developed human-being. While “life” starts at conception, life is a very broad term that can apply to even bacteria by scientific definition. A fetus has the potential of becoming a person, but it is not. A fetus does not have a developed brain or nervous system until late 2nd trimester, therefore is incapable of feeling pain, emotion, thoughts. To compare that to killing a man is a false equivalency. Giving birth is expensive, a huge commitment, and takes a huge toll on a woman physically and emotionally. Some women have no intention on changing their lifestyle to carry an unwanted pregnancy, even if they were prohibited from having an abortion. This is increases the risk of children being born with serious complications or death once they are full term due to drug, alcohol use, etc. It can also lead to illegal abortions which will still kill the fetus and put women at risk. as a fetus is completely reliant on the woman to develop into a person- the choice is the woman’s. I can understand why someone wouldn’t want to get an abortion, I can also understand why someone would. Hence I am pro choice.
Aborting a fetus is not anywhere near equivalent to killing a man.
Not anywhere near? Hmm, well they both are human, and they both are alive, but one's a fetus and one's an adult, and guess what, they both still die. A fetus gets mutilated and is then killed, a man is either shot/stabbed in the heart, still, he dies.
And the difference has nothing to do with age.
But a fetus is the young and undeveloped version of an adult human. Basically everyone else that is "developed" is considered to have human rights, and we are the teens/adults/elders, not fetuses.
The difference lies in being a developed human-being.
Oh so development restricts a fetus of it's right to life?
A fetus has the potential of becoming a person, but it is not.
But it's a human being, and it is technically an individual, the fetus is separate from the mother, but the umbilical cord is what gives nutrients to the fetus. It's not fused with another being or anything.
A fetus does not have a developed brain or nervous system until late 2nd trimester, therefore is incapable of feeling pain, emotion, thoughts. To compare that to killing a man is a false equivalency.
So if a man is unconscious, can I stab him?
I can also understand why someone would.
Even if the woman does not want the baby, can she still allow for its death? Even if the woman is not at all in harm of it?
This is what pro abortion supporters do to deceive the public & hide the inhumanity of their policies.
1) Steer the abortion conversation to life of mother & rape pregnancies, to Zygotes & first trimester abortions, all to deflect what they really support which is No Restriction abortions of all babies, even viable babies for any reason up to birth. This is the first thing pro choice people do. The GOP has allowed extreme case exceptions since abortion was legalized yet we still hear every day about these extreme rare cases. Lie, deceive, exaggerate, etc. all to condition the electorate to think the GOP wil deny these extreme case abortions.(by the way, rape pregnancies can be prevented within a day or two with a doctor visit)
2) They talk about the medical name of an unborn Baby..... Fetus. By using the name Fetus, they somehow believe it changes the status of the life growing inside the mother. Somehow in their thinking, a Baby that has not yet traveled through the birth canal is somehow different than it is after it is has moved down that canal. WOW, TALK ABOUT DENIAL!
3) They talk about the supposed hard life these unwanted children will have if allowed to live. So in all their God like powers, they know the future of every Baby aborted? How many great people have come from poverty or foster homes, etc.? To be so arrogant to allow the deaths of innocent life because of some perceived hard life is beyond diabolical.
4) Pro choice people like to say they do not personally believe in abortion, but would afford other's the choice to end the lives of their unborn Babies. Gee, how nice of them. I always wonder how a person who personally believes that aborting his own Baby is wrong because it is ending a human life, can support allowing other babies to die. HYPOCRITE PHONEY!
5) After all the scare tactics and deceptions, their next step is to lie and say they do not support late term abortions for any reason. They refuse to accept accountability for supporting all late term abortions of even viable babies every time they vote for Democrats who support it.
6) The Democrat Party and the Left even supports killing viable Special needs babies, for any reason up to birth, for merely being different from them. That's like the Nazi mentality where we only want blond haired blue eyed people being born in Germany. In all their arrogance, they will deem who is deserving of life. Where is all their talk about diversity, inclusiveness, compassion? I guess these special Olympic children actually mean nothing to them. Their lives are disposable.
I am not here trying to judge any woman who has had an abortion. I'm trying to bring humanity back to our nation by protecting our most innocent vulnerable lives.
performed, - are due to some type of risk of the mother's health.
The other 97 - 99 PERCENT - have nothing to do with a woman's health.
We- The Pro-Life People, We are always happy and willing to pay every single ; last penny to help to cover the costs of Abortions of any kind - at any time when the mother's life is at risk.
outside of that - If You impregnate Yourself - Why is it someone else's responsibility - to FUND and PAY for Your abortions. ? ? ?
The politicians should hold irresponsible people liable and fully responsible for making the payment to fully fund their PERSONAL PRO - C H O I C E - that they personally make concerning all Non-Life-Threatening abortions........
I choose for You - to not have sex.
I choose for You - to wait until You can afford to have a child.
I choose for You - to purchase Your own birth control.
I am not interested in funding Your sexual pleasures, adventures, and seXual joys, journeys, and raptures.
This is not PRO CHOICE - it is thievery, murder and taking away my own choices - to save my personal money and CHOOSE what to do with my own earnings.
If You cannot afford sex - it is not my responsibility to fund - for You to have irresponsible sex. OR for You to fund my sexual pleasures, joys, adventures, and My sexual journeys.
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