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Yes. It is their right No. Gay is a Disorder
Debate Score:17
Arguments:17
Total Votes:17
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 Yes. It is their right (8)
 
 No. Gay is a Disorder (5)

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Should County Clerks be allowed to Not issue Gay Marriage Licenses

County Clerks are government officials just like the five Supreme Court justices. Same Sex marriage violates the constitution and are like slavery. Obama decided thst he could declare DOMA unconstitutional and not defend it, until the court did what he wanted. The government of California and attorney general decided that they could not defend Prop 8 the California DOMA

Yes. It is their right

Side Score: 12
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No. Gay is a Disorder

Side Score: 5
2 points

There are legal precedents for County Clerks refusal to issue same sex marriage licenses. The Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decision and the RFR Act, plus the religious conscientious objection clause which was made a part of the Role v. Wade decision for doctors.

Side: Yes. It is their right
2 points

In Kentucky, Texas and about 10 states, they are using the conscientious objection and Hobby Lobby decision, and they have passed Senate backed proposition which allow County Clerks who have religious objections to same sex marriage to recuse themselves.

Side: Yes. It is their right
2 points

Currently gays have the right to a same sex marriage, but it is a lesser right with no constitutional authority, than the First Amendment freedom of religion and Congress can not pass any laws respecting the establisjjment of religion. Same Sex marriage was never passed by congress.

Side: Yes. It is their right
2 points

Obama did not feel that DOMA was constitutional, so he lied about appointing two justices. When they we 'ree asked they said that they would defend DOMA and that same sex marriage was not constitutional. Based on religious objections and the fact that SCOTUS will overturn SSM, County Clerks and even governors and attorneys can refuse to defend SSM cases.

Side: Yes. It is their right
1 point

The reason that County clerks can decide to not issue SSM is that those marriages are based on faux sexual orientation because homosexuality is not a sexual orientation, but sexual orientation is not a quasi-suspect class and as such it has no rights.

Side: Yes. It is their right
John_C_1812(277) Disputed
1 point

The Clerk is being manipulated into the position of committing a crime of fraud to which takes place elsewhere so it can not be defended by the clerk directly. The crime takes place before the refusal to self-incriminate by Court order. Marriage is an impartial legal account of a likelihood and cannot contain any sexual undertone legally. Period.

Binivir and Unosmulier are to show that such constitutional separation could have been and can be created.

Side: No. Gay is a Disorder
1 point

Hello UNTRUTH:

I see you're enjoying arguing with yourself.. Ok, you can ban me now..

excon

Side: No. Gay is a Disorder
JustTruth(127) Disputed
1 point

Hello Gay Con,

Poor little fella. You got nothing. No fella, I present numerous arguments which werenall in agreement

Side: Yes. It is their right
1 point

Not one person has challenged your position. Your position is pretty solid. County Clerks have rights and religious rights are the first order of the day

Side: Yes. It is their right
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
1 point

EXCON you agree that religion should not be pushed on Americans okay i get that but why is it you on the Left want to push the gay issue on private business. Shut them down and put them out of business ? The double standard is held by the Left !

Side: Yes. It is their right
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
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"In a thread that I was BANNED from, the poster thinks it's a wonderful idea for religious minded county clerks to REFUSE to issue marriage licenses to gay people. In other words, he should IMPOSE his religion onto his citizens.."

Is the Gay Issue not a religion to the Left ? Why impose the Gay Issue on private businesses in this country ? Should private business owners not have a religious stance ?

Muslim business owners in America surely don't have a religious stance do they ?

Side: Yes. It is their right
1 point

If the law states they are allowed to get married then the clerk needs to follow it. Whatever your personal opinion, the law takes precedence.

Side: No. Gay is a Disorder
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
1 point

Mint got to disagree because of what the 1st Amendment says.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

1st Amendment has no precedence when it comes to religion ?

Side: Yes. It is their right
Mint_tea(4641) Clarified
1 point

Then fight the law legally. But if the law, as it is, states that they can get a marriage license, she needs to follow that. (I'm assuming she as there was a clerk that refused based on her religious principals)

Side: Yes. It is their right

No a Country Clerk should not be allowed to not issue a gay Marriage Licenses it is illegal and the clerk should not be forced into breaking the law due to the sophisticated way in which the crime is taking place.

The clerk only knows it is wrong for a gay marriage not that it is illegal by reason of the plagiarism that takes place with word marriage. Gay describes a sexual explicit expectation on the witness. It also insinuates the witness must see a sex act to be a witness at any civil union.

The Constitutional common defense is that a State issued contact licenses must describe legal states such as Binivir, Unosmulier, Marriage, and Civil Union. Gay Marriage is not a legal State a witness can impartially see without being exposed to possible public indecency. Meaning sexual explicit behavior.

Side: No. Gay is a Disorder

Discriminating is not a justification granting legal impunity or public immunity to the crime that is being committed.

No Gay is a self-incriminating confession, or a malicious heinous attack. Medical Doctors notes are for schools, work, and medications not defending the United Sates Constitution.

Side: No. Gay is a Disorder