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Debate Score:95
Arguments:79
Total Votes:137
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Should Gay Marriages be Legal

Yes

Side Score: 52
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No

Side Score: 43
4 points

The definition of "marriage" has been changed a ludicrous number of times by heterosexuals, from an exchange of property from father to husband, by which the wife essentially ceased to be a legal person separate from her husband, to a declaration of love and commitment between two autonomous adults. With all these far more radical changes, expanding the definition of marriage to include homosexuals seems to be a trifle in comparison, and certainly not one which should have attracted as much controversy as it seems to have.

Incidentally, I don't like the idea of this "Biblical definition of marriage" everyone keeps talking about. I certainly wouldn't want 700 wives and 300 concubines.

Side: Yes
2 points

So would you like us to go to Islamic style marriages? Child brides, multiple wives, sex slaves, 20 kids????!!!???

Side: No
1 point

How many Christians/Jews have 700 wives? Get outta here. Solomon had many wives because he was a king and did what he wanted. The Biblical law is one man and one woman. Reading is your friend.

Side: No

I say keep it legal, start recruiting the lgbt community and more minorities to the right, so that we can get past the gender and racial divides and begin protecting our country from foreign enemies. That's really what divides the new left from the new right, immigration and Islam. Beyond that, it's all politics and petty quarels.

Side: Yes
2 points

I feel you. At some point we have to be united. Politics originally for the people, but over the course of history it has become for the sake of arguing. I understand voicing your opinions on matters, however regardless a politicians job is this and only this: to support and fulfil the wishes of the people.

Side: Yes
John_C_1812(136) Disputed
1 point

Unfortunately terms like gay and lesbian marriage cannot be ever legal, even when dictated through abuse of legislation. The insisted plagiarism taking place is the warning with the use of the word marriage that implicates a possible fraud, the legalization of legislation does not removed the public right to test law. As laws are not enforced that are testes and only legally enforced after a test has been documented in a Judicial Separation process.

Second; we are being asked to witness a public contract. So this single request openly invites objection. Two men and two woman have always been able to enter into public contracts without interference. The legal depute in a Constitutional statement is the association to sexual conduct in the witness account. A group is asking people to witness a sexual promise which is incriminating the Judicial separation while plagiarizing a long term public likelihood.

Marriage is a bond between a man and a woman it does not limit the union it in no way prevents a Gay man and a lesbian woman from forming a private contract. It does not describe a condition of sex. A public contract between two men can be described as Binivir as it is unique and does not plagiarize a likelihood or describe a sexual condition to the witness.

UnosMulier provides the same condition for two woman who wish to enter into a public contract without setting a sexual condition as part of the terms to be witnessed by the public.

Side: No
2 points

I don't see why homosexuals shouldn't get married. Their marriage does not harm anyone else. I also don't have a problem if people dislike gay marriages, you can think they are the work of satan for all I care. If they want to make that choice then that's fine by me. As long as you don't force someone to marry them or force people into a same sex marriage then I don't care. How about I live my own life, and I'll leave you to live yours?

Side: Yes
jeffreyone(1137) Disputed
1 point

Every action of an independent person affects another in a given society or the planet and universe as a whole.

Side: No
2 points

Don't refer to your religions when stating against me because it's 2017 and LGBT people are discriminated against. You were taught to empower one another and how to accept but disagreeing is a way to undermine yourself AND be labelled as homophobic.

Side: Yes
2 points

People should be able to love who they want to and to express that way in all the forms possible. Religion isn't fact, therefore the argument "God meant for men and women to be together." isn't valid as factual information.

Side: Yes
Hipponax(5) Disputed
1 point

That's not even one of the main arguments, besides no one is stopping them from loving each other. You can love someone without being married, cmon bro.

Side: No
1 point

Hello mw:

As long as RIGHTS come along with marriage, the 14th Amendment is clear.. IF somebody has rights, EVERYBODY is entitled to those rights..

So, instead of denying gays the right to marry, you COULD remove all the rights that come with marriage.. Then, and ONLY then, would a ban on gays marrying be Constitutional..

Right wingers LOVE the Constitution, don't they???

excon

Side: Yes
outlaw60(8861) Clarified
2 points

Excon has to reference the 14th Amendment as you Progressives do.

So excon can you tell me which Section of the 14th Amendment you are referring to ?

Would that be Section 1 , Section 2 , Section 3 or Section 4 ?

Side: Yes
mrcatsam(346) Clarified
2 points

The Equal Protection Clause(Section 1) of the US Constitution

Side: Yes
Hipponax(5) Disputed
1 point

Gays and straights are entitled to the right of marrying the opposite sex, both are not entitled to marrying the same sex. Equal.

Side: No
1 point

Why is this still a debate? The Declaration of Independence has a well known phrase: "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Gay marriage is people living out their life. They have the liberty to be happy with whomever they love, be it of the same gender or of the opposite gender.

Side: Yes
Hipponax(5) Disputed
1 point

People don't have the liberty to do whatever they want that will make them happy. Murder, rape, etc.

Side: No
1 point

Yes. Gay marriages should be legal. Two people getting married, regardless of what they identify as should be accepted just as much as we accept a man and a woman being wed. How I see it is what they're doing together has nothing to do with you or anybody else around them. It's their own business. The only reason why people fuss is because their denomination says so. Back in the day, it wasn't a very common occurrence for gays to be out there and really show their relationships out in the open. As humans, we have the tendencies to be foul on what we consider "out of the ordinary" and not "normal", and the bible is the best support for arguing the fact that we can't accept this instance. But what is normal anyway? Not you, not I.

Had we been raised in a world where being gay has always been known as the norm at the very beginning of time, this wouldn't be something people would be debating about today.

Two gay people in a relationship, deciding to get married, has nothing to do with us. It should not be our concern. They could not get married either and we should not care either way. That's their relationship and it's theirs to deal with. They're not out there murdering families. They're just two people dating, just like man and woman. No need to feel too involved.

Side: Yes
Hipponax(5) Disputed
1 point

Lol, marriages recognized by the government and literally everyone else doesn't concern anyone else? Cmon bro nothing is stopping them from forming relationships and loving each other, marriage is a different field which comes with federal recognition.

Side: No
1 point

Absolutely, providing they find a nice enough girl :)

Nah but I'm gay, I'd like to get married one day. It's just a shame the LGBT community is a FUCKING disgrace. Makes me wish for conversion therapy sometimes :')

Side: Yes
1 point

not that it matters at this point, im sure many of you know laws cannot be reversed. But yes i believe that they should be allowed to get married, they are human beings who love others just as much as straight people more if not more for putting themselves out there in a society with such close-minded people who dont understand, and having to come out to their families and friends, growing up different, everything. Honestly, i dont understand why they werent allowed to be wed before. Its stupid. my dear friends; we live in America where everyone should have the same rights and opportunities and that includes marriage. sorry =)

Side: Yes
Hipponax(5) Disputed
1 point

In response to the equal rights point: Everyone does have the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex. Straight and gay can marry the opposite sex alike, and both cannot marry the same sex, thus equal rights.

In response to general: The topic is more nuanced than, "should we let people love who they want". Nobody is stopping them from forming a relationship, however marriage is something that by definition is between male and female, it's in essence impossible for them to get married without being contradictory. There are many policies that change with marriage encompassing more than just a male and female relationship. And to do that is more work, deceiving, and futile considering there are civil unions for gay couples.

Side: No
1 point

Being gay is ok for the following reasons

1) Science shows that homosexuality is common in animal species and hence it is applicable to humans

2) From the first point it is obvious that homosexuals and bisexuals have a right to be that way.

Side: Yes

Of course it should.

Especially in America, given the fact that it is protected under our constitution.

Side: Yes
1 point

For somebody to be concerned with someone else's marriage is appalling. If you pay that much attention to someone else and who they love then you need to take a good look at yourself and look away.

Same sex marriage is the same as marriage. It's no different. Same sex marriages don't receive benefits of anything different to what you would if requested. Being married to someone of the same gender is not benefitting them in any way other than pure happiness and true love.

For you to be so butt hurt and concerned over "should gay marriage be legal" is hurting my brain.

Gay marriages should definitely be legal. AS IT IS JUST A MARRIAGE.

I once saw a Facebook status, that was a woman saying that the love she has for her fiancé was unbelievable and she couldn't imagine what she would do without her. She then proceeded to say and prove to her audience that as she cannot legally marry her partner, if her or her partner were to be lying on their death bed, their partner has no final say in whether or not the life support stays or goes.

That hit me hard. I've always been for same sex marriages but this opened my eyes more.

Just imagine if you were unable to marry your partner because of pathetic people and their petty decisions, and life support or even something just as major in your life was involved.

It is humiliating to be in this world and have people so against same sex marriage when I'm almost certain, they have nothing to do with it.

Side: Yes
2 points

Gay marriage is not natural. It goes against God and laws of nature. Marriage is meant to join a man and a woman, not two of the same gender. God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

Side: No
1 point

Gay Marriage is just wrong...i dont care if you were "born" that way or not. God intended for a man and a woman to be together. I couldnt care less if you say youve "always" been this way, however the act of Gay Marriages should be illegal. And I know many of you will be repulsed by what Ive said but I dont care.

Side: No
mrcatsam(346) Disputed
1 point

I hate to break out to you, bit you can't change who people are. Also, mind your own business, because now gays can marry and there's nothing you can do about that really

Side: Yes
0 points

Fuckin rekt son

Side: Yes
Araiella Disputed
1 point

God also taught the act of kindness and not to judge each other but you seem to be digging yourself a grave because you just contradicted yourself:/

Side: Yes
catninja(249) Disputed
1 point

I don't want to be the one to say it, but I'm afraid marriage has been around a lot longer than Christianity. Christianity does not get to have any kind of moral monopoly on it.

Same-sex marriage has been practised in Mesopotamia, ancient Egypt, some Native American tribes (e.g. Two-Spirits), etc.

As to whether "God intended for a man and a woman to be together"... not everyone follows the Christian God especially outside of the United States, so it seems wrong to force everyone to bow to Christian views of marriage.

If you don't like same-sex marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex. It's pretty simple.

Side: Yes
selmab99(7) Clarified
1 point

I do agree that gay marriage is wrong and that it's just not meant to be this way. It's not only a matter of religion, since it seems to me that because gay couples can't procreate, it is absurd for them to start a family and act like real couples.

But unfortunately, you can't change the way people are, just like you can't change the way society is. Even though I don't support gay relationships, I don't see why I wouldn't be in favor of the law being on their side, just like the law is on the side of anybody who uses their freedom of speech to voice their opinion, no matter how criticized it is. If gay people want to marry, let them marry, simply because they have the freedom to do whatever they want with their life and their body. But what I strongly disagree with is advertising for it, through TV shows and movies, which in the end makes it a normal thing even for children. Conservative parents have the right to want an education for their kids that is devoid of this kind of moral values.

Side: Yes
Quantumhead(850) Clarified
1 point

I do agree that gay marriage is wrong

I think you are wrong. My religion says so. I shall now deny you basic human rights.

But unfortunately, you can't change the way people are, just like you can't change the way society is.

Society has been changing constantly since its inception. A new word needs to be invented for statements people like you make. Anti-facts.

Side: Yes
excon(4371) Disputed
0 points

Hello mw,

I'm not repulsed. I've heard it all before. Fortunately, the law has gone against you. Bummer, huh?

excon

Side: Yes
FromWithin(5472) Disputed
1 point

Unfortunately the law was forced on ALL States because Obama appointed two activist Justices that legislate from the bench rather than interpreting the Constitution.

The supreme court is not suppose to create new law to force on ALL States. The supreme court is suppose to decide cases on whether or not each State had the right to change their marriage laws against the will of the people in those states.

Never should five justices have the power to dictate the marriage laws of every state! They did not even do that with abortion. Abortion was left up to each state to decide for themselves.

But Obama and this etreme Democrat party no longer believes in the freedom of States to run their own laws concerning marriage. We had the worst of an extremist Big Brother Government forcing it's will on all Americans regrdless their wishes. Americans lost their voice to five justices. SICK!

This is why Trump won. Americans are sick of these controlling Liberals running the Democrat Party.

Side: No
0 points

Yes and in no way was that aimed at any one person...i ju no many will be offended by that.

Side: Yes
NowASaint(1279) Clarified
0 points

Fortunately the law has gone against those who reject perverting marriage to allow homosexuals to pretend to be husband and wife in marriage?

How long have you been bending over for butt buddies? Do you have AIDS yet?

Side: Yes
outlaw60(8861) Disputed
0 points

Excon which is it the law as seen by the SCOTUS or the 14th Amendment ? Has to be one or the other can't be both !!!!!!!!!!

Side: No
0 points

Amen to you my good sir

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Side: No
mrcatsam(346) Disputed
-1 points

Not everyone's life revolves around god. Everyone has a right to do as they please. It's their choice. Also, what about the Free Exercise Clause in the Constitution? Look it up.

Side: Yes
1 point

It is about making a promise in front of God. I think It is enough for the same sex to be friends , you can change your gender as you wish. even though you may appreciate , his love will remain. Yes you can do what you think pleases you. God is the creator of life and he loves you so do what you love.

Side: No
1 point

Marriage is the merging of a man and a woman to be one flesh. It is not possible for two people of the same gender to be married. They can have a legal agreement, and the law of the land can call it marriage, but it is not marriage, it is perversion.

Side: No
0 points

Gay Marriage should not be legal nor illegal. I do not support gay marriage but I do not think the government should be regulating who can get married and who cannot. That being said, lets say for example if two people who are of the same sex do want to get married and they decide to ask for religious person to cater their wedding. They should have the right to refuse. It is their business and if their religious beliefs are infused into that business, their religious liberties should be be infringed upon just because the two people in question do not want to find another business to cater their wedding even though there are many businesses who do not care if two people of the same sex want to get married and are willing to do so.

Side: No
FromWithin(5472) Clarified
1 point

The Government should not be dictating to every state that they must allow Gay marriage.

Our federal Government has no right to tell every state what to do with their marriage laws.

This is what happened when Obama appointed two liberal activist Justices to the supreme court. This is the power of the President and why Trump won the election.

Trump appointed a Justice that will intepret the Constitution rather than legislating new law forced on every state.

Side: Yes
mrcatsam(346) Disputed
1 point

Well I guess they do, because it happened, right? Justice Gorsuch and ALL of the other justices will interpret the Constitution the way they see fit. And every court precedent has to be "forced" on every state the same.

Side: Yes
Cartman(18205) Disputed
-1 points

The Government should not be dictating to every state that they must allow Gay marriage.

Marriage is a federally protected right, so yes, the federal government should be dictating that.

Our federal Government has no right to tell every state what to do with their marriage laws.

False. The federal government recognizes marriages. States would be denying federal benefits to citizens. That can't be allowed.

Trump appointed a Justice that will intepret the Constitution rather than legislating new law forced on every state.

No law was created you stupid fuck.

Side: Yes
0 points

Did someone down-vote me for having the wrong opinion? Lol

Side: No
0 points

Gay marriages dosent help anybody and its not natural at all i think its something to do with the brain because babies arent born naturally attracted to the same sex

Side: No
mrcatsam(346) Disputed
0 points

You have something wrong with your brain because you're trying to deny people a very basic 14th Amendment right.

Side: Yes