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Should Obama shut down Guantanamo Bay?

Do we need to keep prisoners there?

Obama says he will shut down Guantanamo Bay, our long standing military base in Cuba. Because it is outside the U.S. borders it is technically not under the constitution and as such the government has done things that would probably wouldn't be able to in this country.

Is Obama making the right decision?



Yes, shut it down

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No, keep it running

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Recently it has been found that 12 juveniles have been held in Guantanamo bay. This and other human rights violations are a disgrace to what this country is supposed to stand for. Obama is doing the right thing by shutting Gitmo down, it should have been done sooner. The hypocrisy of such a base cannot be overstated.

Supporting Evidence: U.S. Admits it Held Juveniles at Gitmo (www.msnbc.msn.com)
487 days ago | Tagged As: Yes, shut it down
- Kuklapolitan(4250) Supported
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If we cannot change what is going on at Guantanamo Bay then YES, by all means, shut down this atrocious, unfathomable embarrassment to Americans and what they should stand for. What the military can get away with is horrific while the Commander-in-Chief simply stands by and condones their Neanderthal treatment by not making the adjustments necessary or shutting it down and having some heads roll for allowing their men to do what they did to the alleged criminals there.

481 days ago | Tagged As: Yes, shut it down
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Just because Guantanamo Bay isn't on the US mainland doesn't mean that it shouldn't follow the same rules that are followed on it. It is basically an extension of the US where torture and other acts against humanity can occur without law. It is a disgrace to America and to humanity and any continued use or defense of the center and the actions taken part in it expose hypocrisy, hate, and acceptance of fear as a tool the US can use against anyone it doesn't like for political or other motives. Shutting down Guantanamo Bay is a great move by Obama and gives hope for a better United States.

487 days ago | Tagged As: Yes, shut it down
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fuck yes, ruins the US reputation and its against human rights and all that.

guantanamo bay is a disgrace

456 days ago | Tagged As: Yes, shut it down
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Shut it down immediately. Worst thing we ever did.

469 days ago | Tagged As: Yes, shut it down
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i dont think you should discuss closing guantanamo because america has many facilities throughout the world that tortures and locks up people. america has had these facilities for decades and regularly kidnaps and tortures people in many locations. if guantanamo is closed down, america will still find ways and places to do similar things. if you want to shut something down, it might as well be the cia, but that will never happen, so thats why there is no point is discussing guantanamo.

41 days ago | Tagged As: Yes, shut it down
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He should shut it down, but he won't.

471 days ago | Tagged As: Yes, shut it down
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Can you please repeat that in any other language I can translate into English?

481 days ago | Tagged As: Yes, shut it down
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History has recorded great presidents doing way worse things.

these are people captured on the battlefield. hell, many of the ones released have been either recaptured or shot in combat... why? because THEY'RE TERRORISTS!

they compare Bush to Hitler, but they don't compare him to FDR, who captured anyone who was a Jap and put them in prisons... fuck, they didn't even have any evidence to support that they were the enemy. just the fact that they were Japs.

This is War people, you have to start entering the reality of the situation.

486 days ago | Tagged As: No, keep it running
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Just because FDR did something wrong doesn't justify Bush's actions. The internment camps were one of the worst atrocities committed in American history (right behind the treatment of native Americans and slaves).

We're not saying that we should let the captured people go, we just need to show them basic human rights. No torture, and the right to some kind of trial. If we have evidence that they're terrorists, great! Prove it in some kind of a military court and then lock them up and throw away the key. Many of these people though are being held without any legal recourse. And guess what? Some of them are innocent!

Pyg let me ask you a question, if someone accused you of being a terrorist would you want a way to refute their claim? Would you like it to be necessary that they prove it? Or would you want to be locked up and tortured for something you didn't do?

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/ 10/justice_department_wants_to_ke.php

Supporting Evidence: Innocent Men at Guitmo (abcnews.go.com)
486 days ago | Tagged As: Yes, shut it down
- ThePyg(3443) Disputed
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obviously reform is needed to make sure that we capture only people on the battlefield.

but the thing is, the people let go were put under TRIAL. and they were RECAPTURED killing AMERICAN TROOPS. the thing is, saying "they were part of a cell that was shooting at my squad" is not good enough in the court of law, because as long as you did not have him with a gun in his hands, he doesn't count.

and it's good to see that you consider FDR worse than Bush... finally someone who understands.

486 days ago | Tagged As: No, keep it running
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I don't think he should shut it down, because then they would be on U.S. ground or in a foreign nation. If they are on U.S. ground and escape then they would be on the loose here in America. If they are in a foreign nation and if that nation support's terrorism then they could let the person go to weak havoc on the world again.

461 days ago | Tagged As: No, keep it running
- Sgt2ndRanger(3) Supported
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That is my point also, keep them right where they are at, the only way off is shark infested water... Gitmo, There is no substitute !

430 days ago | Tagged As: No, keep it running
- Kuklapolitan(4250) Supported
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While I completely understand what you're saying we cannot go on with Gitmo the way it is! It's a disgrace to human decency and if it were the other way around, with our people being tortured instead of theirs, I can only wonder what those of you who are against shutting this atrocity down would have to say.

460 days ago | Tagged As: Yes, shut it down
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Torture is terrible, and I don't think anyone likes it or supports it... but heres a question. Your two kids are going to die in 3 hours because of x person, and you know he is going to kill them, and he says he'll do it, but you can stop it if he talks?

This is an extremely complex situation. Almost all of the people in Guantanamo Bay were captured "on the military field," and the rest were apprehended trying to pursue acts of terror on American soil and were not citizens. As sad as it is, these people have no rights. Geneva created a way for them to have rights, a way that would ensure death for the least number of innocent people: the uniformed soldier. By donning the uniform, you are given certain legal rights, because you are agreeing to protect the lives of innocent people.

These people purposely forfeited the rights granted them in Geneva. There are no laws protecting them.

Do I support torture? not really.

Oh, and humiliation isn't torture. We need to make sure to define our terms.

473 days ago | Tagged As: No, keep it running
- Probama123(37) Disputed
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Well If you know for a fact that two kids are going to die because of the x person, and he knows something that can stop this. Well we never do know that now do we? And also, there are several cases where muslim men, who were not citizens, yet did not have a criminal record, were put into Guantanamo Bay, and tortured mercilessly. They were waterboded, which is a simulation of drowning, tied up and attacked by dogs, and had their religion defamed and disrespected. I regard the religion part as torture, can you imagine if a devoted christian was trying to pray in jail, and your jailer comes in and pisses on the bible, and rips it in half taking it away? That is torture. Also how would you feel if every american soldier who killed an innocent in Iraq was captured and tortured for no reason?

472 days ago | Tagged As: Yes, shut it down
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No they are trying to kill us.By law they are not solders but terrorists and if it is shut down then they must be taken to America were we cant make them talk due to the fifth amendment.

484 days ago | Tagged As: No, keep it running
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Noooo...check your legal facts. What we would do is give them a trial under a military court. Since they are not citizens they would not be subject to the 5th amendment, and a military court uses different rules of evidence then typical U.S. courts.

How would you suggest we get them to talk? Torture?

484 days ago | Tagged As: Yes, shut it down
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Are you saying that if we leave them in Guantanamo Bay we would have to try them under Cuban Law? Have you never heard of Military Law Locke? We can't MAKE them talk if they don't want to...or were you suggesting something vile?

481 days ago | Tagged As: Yes, shut it down
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I don't want the terrorist in a prison in my state, NY sure doesn't want the trials in their state, we cant just let them go to fight and kill American soldiers again we need to keep it open and Obama knows it! another broken promise for the left.

37 days ago | Tagged As: No, keep it running
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Keep it running, what are there chances of escaping from there... NONE, there on a friggen island and that is where they should hold all there trials ! I f we let these sorry bastards go, they will just be planting more attacks and planting more IED's to kill our boys. PERIOD

430 days ago | Tagged As: No, keep it running
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63 prisoners returned to Iraq and once again killed American service men. So unless your a Muslim Jihad terrorist this is the only answer an American could give. How do they treat their POW's? Oh, that's right they behead, mutilate and kill them. The only way I could see shutting it down would be line them all up against the wall and let loose with a .50 cal. A MUCH MORE HUMANE WAY TO DIE.

Nothing anyone of you have said holds a candle to what they have done to Americans taken prisoner. As the 9 Army women found in the Baghdad dumps cut from ear to ear.

424 days ago | Tagged As: No, keep it running
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We need to keep it open or else what would we do with the terrorists?

42 days ago | Tagged As: No, keep it running
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