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Should Obese People Pay For Two Airline Seats?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/143790

http://www.business-spotlight.de/news/head-to-head/should-fat-people-pay-for-two-airline-seats

Yes

Side Score: 131
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No

Side Score: 75
6 points

If they take up two airline seats, then yes.

But not if the airline's policy states that the ticket price is for one passenger. Then the passenger is paying for their flight, not for the seat. And they shouldn't be charged the price of two seats.

But, if the passenger is paying for the space of one seat, then by all means they should have to pay for two. The airline can't just sit back and let profit fly out the window because someone is taking up more than one seat. I mean, this causes other problems with fitting other passengers on the flight that the airline would have had enough space for.

It all depends on what the airline charges for.

Side: yes
3 points

You make a very good point. The airline won't care as long as they get the money and the plane doesn't crash.

Side: yes
2 points

My mother travels and a bigger person sat next to her and the bigger person asked her if she could lift up her arm rest because she can't fit

Side: yes
5 points

YES!!! By all means they should. Since I began working for T.W.A. in 1978, they have consistently made the seats and rows smaller and smaller. Anything to get more seats bringing more fares on board.

As a manager I flew First Class (poor me) but when I was a "Ramp Rat" I flew available coach. One morning I was standing in Frankfurt Airport waiting to see if I could board for New York and these two HUGE guys were speaking to one another very loudly. I thought, if I have to sit anywhere near those two I'd lose my mind. So guesssssss what? I sat in-between these two with no arm rests because their Popeye arms were taking them up! It got so loud between those two that I got up and started to walk around the aircraft. I stopped and introduced myself to some of the staff and clued them into these two. They were nice enough to allow me to sit in their jump-seats. It was the worst flight home I'd ever had.

They should, without a doubt, charge them for being much too large to fit into the seat. If I were a paying passenger I would have had plenty to say upon my arrival home but hey, free is free and you get home any way you can. But these two were much too much.

Side: yes
2 points

That must have been a very uncomfortable experience! But the worst part is that you had to sit between them. I would've at least asked if I could get the aisle (not the window, because then I'd be boxed in there. XD)

Side: yes
3 points

I asked both of them if they would consider moving and both said NO! When you work for an airline you have NO choice as far as seating is concerned because you fly stand-by only. I did ride jump-seat in the cockpit once and that was fun but that would not happen in these times. 1 X 2 Sluggos = 3 People!

Side: yes
2 points

WELL YO STUPID OLD BITCH IF YOU WOULD HAVE ANY GOD DAMN SENSE YOU WOULD REALIZE THAT YOU COULD HAVE SAID NICELY TO THE BOYS" EXCUSE ME MAY I SIT ON THE OUTSIDE SEAT SO YOU TWO CAN TALK BETTERIF YOU DID THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SAID YES

Side: No
5 points

have u ever been on an airline sitting next to a fat person? they take up half of your seat!!!!!!! it is not fair that u pay for a whole seat and only get half of it to sit in.

Side: yes

tHERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THEY CAN SQUEEZE THEIR FAT ASS INTO ONE OF THOSE TINY SEATS. What the hell happened to my caps lock key?

Side: yes
3 points

It went for a walk with the Esc key and lived happily ever after.

Side: yes
3 points

You should pay based on the expense you incur. Heavy and thin alike.

Side: yes
JakeJ(3255) Disputed
3 points

Two thin people crammed in one seat. hahahahahahahaha That sounds like a good idea.

Side: No
Kuklapolitan(4309) Disputed Banned
2 points

It cannot be done that way Cerin. You can't allow people to pay by body size unless they take up more room than the seating allows. Bump it up to Business Class or First Class if you require that much room for your abundance of blubber!

Side: yes
Cerin(203) Disputed
3 points

Sure you can. Just get one of the industrial scales. The cost of jet fuel is based mostly on the weight that the airplane is carrying, not so much the space the passengers take up. A fifty lbs kid and a 200 lbs adult might both technically occupy only one seat, but the adult is 4x more expensive to fly.

Side: yes
3 points

If they take up two seats, then they should pay for two seats.

How about extra-large 'obese chairs,' or are those too exclusionary?

Side: yes
3 points

I pay for a full seat, if someone takes some of that because they are fat they should be paying for 2 seats not take half of mine!

Side: yes
3 points

When I fly, I take up one seat, thus I (or rather my parents) pay for one seat. If you take up two seats, you should pay for two seats.

How would you feel if you boarded a full plane, made your way to your seat, and discovered that an obese person was taking up his entire seat AND your entire seat, and there was no extra seat anywhere on the plane? In that case, someone would need to be booted off the plane. Who would it be? Boot the fat person off, and there would be a lawsuit that the airline is discriminatory.

Airlines can avoid having to boot anybody off of a plane altogether by requiring everyone of a questionable girth to sit down in a sample airline seat. If they hang significantly over the sides of the seat, they'll need to purchase two tickets. That way, nobody getting onto an airplane gets a little surprise when they discover that their seat has been overtaken by somebody's butt fat.

Side: yes
3 points

If you take up two seats, you should pay for two seats. It's not a matter of discrimination. It doesn't matter why you're obese, it just matters that you are taking up more space. I sat next to a very fat man on my last flight. He was polite enough to try to hold his large arms in as much as possible, but he still took up a third of my seat with his giant belly and ass. It was so uncomfortable for me. I was literally squished. When we landed I spoke to an airline representative and said that a man of that size should have been asked to buy both seats. I demanded a 30% refund of my fare and after a long argument with several supervisors, I got it.

People here are arguing that this debate is rude, hurtful, that obese people have feelings too, that they're just "one person", etc.. But, those arguments are entirely emotional and not realistic. It's a matter of space.

Side: yes
2 points

Um, I don't think they should be 'charged' for 2 seats, but I think they might want to be applied to 2 seats, if that makes sense. I know that suddenly means a drop in airline profits, but I'm pretty sure planes have weight limits applied. An the average obese person is at least the weight of 1 1/2 people, and if we had a plane full of obese people taking up each individual seat, there might be a problem. And if not with the weight capacity, then possibly with their ability to sit decently without suffocating and/or suffering some sort of a health problem from their limited space of mobility.

Side: yes
2 points

Yes. Maybe they should get in shape and spend the money saved on airplane seats on a gym pass or a kick-ass road bike.

Side: yes

Being fat is a life choice, so yes, obese people should pay more for airline seats.

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
2 points

Being fat is a life choice, so yes, obese people should pay more for airline seats.

Aren't you mister "Don't force people to pay for something they aren't using?"

You'd be forcing fat people to pay for a seat they are not using. Then there's the matter of human dignity...

Side: No
2 points

Aren't you mister "Don't force people to pay for something they aren't using?"

You'd be forcing fat people to pay for a seat they are not using. Then there's the matter of human dignity...

Frankly, I don't care about human dignity, and nobody is forcing them to pay for something they aren't using unless they are using two seats, then yes, they should pay more. If they are taking up two seats, they are occupying a seat that otherwise would been used.

Side: yes
2 points

If you're using two seats then, yes, you should pay for two seats.

Side: yes
2 points

Yesterday i flew from Frankfurt to Bahrain, 6 1/2 hours, I paid full price for my ticket and found my self squashed against the window because the guy next to me took his seat and half of my seat! Why should i have to suffer because he can't fit in his seat. I asked to be moved but the flight was full even in business class. I don't mean to insult people, but when i pay 1,250 euros for a flight i expect to at least have my seat to myself.

Side: yes
2 points

Obesity is an epidemic, even childhood obesity is an epidemic. People need to take accountability for their own actions. AHA guidelines state that overweight individuals should exercise (and no that does not include walking around at work), at least 5 days out of the week. Most obese people do not do this, most obese people continue to eat larger than recommended portions, and YES they should pay for 2 seats. Keep your BMI <25 & quit blaming others.

I guarantee most people, even people who are not that much overweight, eat too large of portion sizes.....take some accountability for your own actions. It starts at a young age, so quit blaming it on your own medical problems, it's a nasty cycle, but once you allow yourself to get to that size, you find it hard to exercise hard. Quit eating fast food & quit eating more than 2000 calories per day! I'm not paying for your seat!

Side: yes
2 points

why should an obese person pay for one fare and take up two seats. what's so fair about that. also this is just one example. my daughter made a trip home from la, she is 4'10 and weighs less than 90 lbs, she set next to an obese woman who took up part of her seat. my daughter could not find her seat belt and was to embarrassed to ask the woman to move to get it, so she flew from la to memphis without her seatbelt and said she was about to cry she was so uncomforable. fat people should either buy first class or buy according to how wide they are. maybe we shoud have seats at the airlines so they have to sit in it before boarding, don't fit, then upgrade, buy two seats or go home and rebook. their is no excuse for anyone thinking it is ok to be shoved out of your seat by anyone.

Side: yes
2 points

I think you should pay for the amount of space you need

If you take up 2 seats then pay for 2 seats

If you need 1, pay for 1

That's how it has always been, you pay for what you need

Side: yes
2 points

Being obese comes with costs

-airline seats

-bigger clothes

-etc...

as does being skinny, or vegetarian, or vegan, or diabetic

it's just one of those things you have to deal with becuase it is part of who you are and if you take 2 seats pay for 2 seats

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
2 points

Being obese comes with costs

-airline seats

It doesn't naturally come with those costs. They are imposed as a penalty. Bigger clothes are different from this, they are an innate part of being bigger.

it's just one of those things you have to deal with becuase it is part of who you are and if you take 2 seats pay for 2 seats

That isn't the question. The question is whether you should have a fine imposed upon you for being fat.

Side: No
Bohemian(3868) Disputed
2 points

That isn't the question. The question is whether you should have a fine imposed upon you for being fat.

It isn't a fine for being fat. Many fat people still only take up one seat and are only charged for one seat. It isn't about weight, it is about consumption. If you are using two seats, then why should you only be charged for one?

Side: yes
2 points

Yes, if they spill over into a second seat then of course they should have to.

Side: yes
2 points

It's not fair to those sitting next to larger people. It's not discrimination. it's for the convenience of both the customers. if i were the obese person smushing someone else into the window on the plane, I would be mortified as well as uncomfortable. And as for the other passenger, he paid for his seat so he should get the WHOLE seat, not just half of it of 3/4 of it. Since the obese person TAKES UP 2 whole seats, its not fair if he only pays for one. Just like if the healthier person takes up only 1/2 the seat, he shouldn't be paying for a whole ticket. it's just not fair, the seats should be bigger i suppose, or there should be a weight limit for seats, i don't know...

Side: yes
2 points

Obese people should have to pay for an extra seat on a plane, it will help make everyone more comfortable. It is not right for people who do take care of themselves to be stuck or smashed in the window seat of a plane because someone that does not take care of their body is right next to them. Making obese people purchase an extra seat will make the ride much more comfortable for everyone on board and possibly make them realize that they may need help with their obesity issue.

Side: yes
2 points

Yes, obese people should pay for two seats, because they take up more than one seat space. Obesity is usually due to overeating and inactivity, not a medical consideration one cannot help. Sitting beside someone who takes up more than their fair share of the room is uncomfortable, and unfair to the person who also paid for one seat.

Side: yes
2 points

Yes, but they should not to have to pay more per seat An obese person who is large enough to not fit comfortably in one seat should pay for a second adjoining seat. HOWEVER, current practices that limit that passenger to have to pay for a higher class seat (in economy class) is unfair. To book 2 seats for an overseas flight costs 2 people $1,300. To book 2 seats for 1 passenger costs $1,600. when flying any Star Alliance route and cannot be booked at lower internet fares. Tthe airlines have a lower net cost but discriminate against these people.

Side: yes
2 points

I agree that an obese person who cannot fit into one seat should have to pay for two to protect the comfort of other people. Since airplanes are designed to hold "regular" size people than an obese person who cannot comfortably or safely sit in a "regular" seat should have to pay for two. Until the day comes when there are specially designed seats or sections on planes to accommodate obese people then they should have to pay for two seats.

Side: yes
1 point

Yes, I think if obese people cannot show their obesity is related to any medical condition they should pay for two tickets. Obesity without any underlying medical condition is the result of plain laziness and greed on the individual's part. Just like if I decide to have a child it means I am willing to pay for his/her seat, so if you have decided to be obese, you should be ready to pay the price of any number of seats that you need to fly.

Side: yes
1 point

I agree that obese people should pay for two seats if they cannot fit into one seat. Obese people should be required to purchase two seats if they cannot fit into one seat without overlap into the passenger seats next to them. The reason for my belief is that it can be extremely uncomfortable to sit next to an obese person if they overlap into your seat.

Side: yes
1 point

I do agree that obese people should have to pay for two airline seats. With the weight limits on airplanes it is only expected that someone that weighs much more then the average person should have to pay for two tickets. If the plane is not able to take as many passengers with an obese passenger then they should somehow be compensated. Otherwise the airlines would just have to raise the price of the tickets for everyone to make sure there cost were covered just in case an obese passenger was booked for that flight.

Side: yes
1 point

Obese people should pay for two seats if they need extra room. I don't think this is a discrimination issue because essentially by asking obese people to pay for two tickets if they take up the space of two people, you are just requiring them to pay for the level of service they require. It is the same as charging for two plates of food (as long as it isn't an all you can eat buffet!) Thus, it is not a matter of prejudice or unfair treatment.

Side: yes
1 point

I agree with frenchieak, you have to pay for it if you take it up. There was a woman who got a hemorrage and a cracked rib on an airline by being crushed by an obese woman sitting next to her.

Side: yes
1 point

Heack yes! I'm obese but no where near a 300 pounder. If you take up two seats on a friggin plane you should pay extra! You can't argue with that. Full price too!

Side: yes
1 point

The answer is clearly yes. You pay more for excess baggage so why should there not be an excess fee on an individual as it costs more to transport them. Additionally why should those under 90Kg be inconvenienced when those, who shall we say are larger than they need to be, invade their seat space. If someone takes more than an allocated seat space they need to be charged for two seats so that those of average size can travel within the allocated space and not be made to feel uncomfortable. Come on fatties pay your way.

Side: yes
1 point

I recently experienced a very uncomfortable trip on an airplane flight on Delta sitting next to a very obese person. I could not move . literally my arms were scrunched up in the same position for 2hrs. I tried to sleep but there was no wiggle room for me at all . I just had to sit there and do nothing for2 hours . i

I was too embarrassed to really say anything about it so I didn't

Side: Yes
1 point

Thin people shouln't have to suffer because of what obese people did to their bodies

Side: Yes
1 point

If you take up 2 seats you should pay for 2 seats.

Side: Yes
1 point

If he needs two seats to fit on, the yes, if not, then no.

Side: Yes
1 point

if they're capable of taking up the space of two people then they must take 2 airline seats. its not fair for the passengers travelling beside them to be squished flat for 2 days straight.

Side: Yes
3 points

I do however think ALL children should be in a paid seat. Children sitting on a parent's lap on a flight invade adjacent seats more than someone overweight. Feet, food and toys fly, the children scream as they wiggle and move around. If you want to charge for overweight people, charge for every single child on a plane too.

Side: No
Cuaroc(8824) Disputed
1 point

they do.

Side: Yes
2 points

It would be pretty hard to tell don't you think?

What about a 275 lbs 6ft 9 pure muscle linebacker for some college? You cannot really go by weight. But then again I guess when you are buying your ticket online the company could ask questions like: Are you a fat ass? Are you thinking about food right now? Do you have trouble sitting in the movie theater seats?

I think it is impossible to tell if somebody is obese just by weight. So how could they tell?

Side: No
1 point

one of the more sensible posts on this side.

Side: No
Elvira(3447) Clarified
1 point

BMI, or waist measurement.

Side: Yes
2 points

Like freanchieak pointed out passengers are paying for the flight and not for the seats. So it is not right that they pay for the two airline seats, unless they occupy the other one. Well, that is up to the airline policy. But I have never heard of anyone being ask to pay for the extra plane seats.

Side: yes
2 points

if they can fit they don't need to buy to airline tickets

Side: No
2 points

with airlines making the seats smaller and cramming more people in I think it's rude that it is even suggested. Seeing as they even have people sitting in the emergency exit seats now I find this ridiculous. What happens if the people sitting near the exit panics. They're allready sucking in every penny they can get.

some plane seats dont even accomodate an average person adequately. And seeing as the obesity rate in the USA is so high this would mean every second ticket has to pay double if its done on the standard obesity weight.

Side: No
Nikar(27) Disputed
1 point

Well then people that are to fat to fit in one seat and to cheap or proud to pay for a second one can swim to their different oversea destinations.

There you go, two problems solved: no more obesity and no one has to pay for a second seat

Side: yes
1 point

I'll post here since it's empty.

But my response is neither. It should depend on the Airline company that gives out the tickets. If they want to charge extra, then go ahead, if they don't, then don't.

this is America the Free.

Side: No
1 point

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Side: No
1 point

I agree with you. But do you think it'd be fair for someone who is born bigger than everyone else (e.g big boned) to pay extra to travel?

Side: No
BenWalters(1513) Disputed
1 point

Depends what you think you're paying for. From a consumers perspective, you're paying to get from point A to point B. From a producers perspective, you're giving them a seat for a certain period of time. You can argue from either perspective, both have aspects of truth, but I would lean towards paying for what you get.

Also, studies have shown that the percentage of obese people that couldn't lose weight are very small, some say as low as 2%. Ever wonder why there are no fat people in rural India, or another similarly impoverished area?

Side: yes
1 point

Well first off, I agree with thepyg.

So what exactly would the weight limit be? Because I'm pretty sure that being obese and taking up more than one seat is not exactly the same thing.

I don't think a person should have to pay for two seats because they make someone els feel uncomfortable. Unless they would apply that to everybody. Lets charge the loud and annoying people for two seats because who wants to sit by them?

But if the person is so obese that they are taking up a seat and a half then yeah, that is the only good option I can think of. It just depends on how obese the person is.

But it's up to the airline of course.

Side: how obese

No. This is a very not good debate. As said by someone above, what if an obese person read this? They will be hurt , won't they?

And human are all the same. whether they are obese or not, they are still one and they should not be charged more...

Side: No
1 point

This is so rude...That's why thin people think they rule the world just because of they're body weight...I'm an overweight person myself and I'm about to make a trip next month and I'm just so scare of having this type of problems on my day of trip, If somebody here knows if this is really happening just comment on this....Plane tickets are most expensive, and paying for two is a disaster for our traveling budget.

Side: No
njpilot78(3) Disputed
1 point

Its not right that a airline has to give up a paying seat because you are over weight. They make money perseat mile , why should others suffer for YOUR PROBLEMS!!

Side: yes
1 point

WHY SHOULD OTHERS SUFFER FOR YOUR PROBLEMS? YOU DONT SEEM LIKE A VERY SMART PERSON. IF SOMEONE IN YOUR FAMILY WAS OBESE AND THE AIRLINE LADY CAME AND SAID"EXCUSE ME YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PURCHASE ANOTHER SEAT" WOULD YOU LIKE THAT? HELL NO BITCH I BET YOU WOULDNT BUT IF IT WASNT A PERSON IN YOUR FAMILY YOU WOULD BE COMPLAINING AND COMPLAINING BUT IF THE PEROSN WAS I NYOUR FAMILY YOUR RUDE MUTHERFUCKING BITCH ASS WOULD SAY"NO IM FINE IT'S NOT BOTHERING ME"

Side: No
Claire999(4) Disputed
1 point

If you lose weight then you'll be saving money on food AND on airplane seats. Think about it.

Side: yes
1 point

I'm a big person and I went to a concert about two years ago in Dallas...I listened to my fiance brag about how upscale the arena was till we went to sit down...He's not obese like I am, but even he had a mildly hard time squeezing into their very uncomfortable "tiny" seats...I questioned why would such an "upscale" arena have such miserable seating...the answer is simple, quality no longer matters, it's about money, "quantity"...if you make the seats smaller, they make more money as equals more people...it don't matter if you fat or thin or whether or not their seats are fit for a mouse, it's all about the money...all a fat person has become is someone elses profit, nevermind that they are human too...we get to pay more for the same right, because the greed of quantity vs. quality...you wouldn't see these problems back in the day when they made things worth a dam and big enough for "everyone". Better to have enough and not need it, then not have enough at all! If airline tickets are as greedy as everyone else, I'll just refuse to fly and drive to my destination! In other words, kiss my FAT *ss honey! We are expected to accept all colors of the face of the earth without racism and that card gets played plenty! But what about all sizes? At this rate all future seats will be measured by using that a five year old child to be considered for average space between the width of one side of our asses to the other...and either you'll fit or you won't! The "love" of money is the route of all evil! as proven by the world in which we live...

Side: No
1 point

No, they should not. Instead, airlines and other industries should have a little class. In cases where the number of seats being sold is business-profitability threatening, then, perhaps an argument could be made, but even still, I believe that when a ticket is being sold to someone who is over the size limit for one seat, it should go something like this:

1) Do you require more than one seat due to body size or other rationale? (Warning, answering incorrectly may result in your being forced onto a different flight to the same destination) ... example seats should be made available out front, similar to how amusement park rides often do.

2) Would you like to purchase a second ticket to guarantee your departure on this flight, or wait for the next flight to this destination with an empty seat available? (Answering yes may delay your flight departure time by up to 24 hours).

This way, you don't simply mandate from on high a very rude policy, you instead offer the person in question a way to fly at the same price as everyone else, but the inconvenience of waiting extra time is shoved onto them instead of them shoving parts of themselves into other paying customer's seats.

This is a solid compromise with easily solvable logistics. One must remember that this wouldn't be an issue if it hadn't been for the greed of trying to cram so many people onto the planes to begin with. I don't want to hear any arguments about failing airline industry, either, that's gross mis-management to cut your CEOs and other top execs 20 mil+ benefits each year for 30 years and then suddenly wonder where all the cash went. You invested it in some guy's mansion/boats/personal jets instead of back in your business where it belonged.

Side: No
njpilot78(3) Disputed
1 point

Are you kidding me??? Have you ever seen a profitable airline? Of course you have to pay for the service render to you , if you take up two god damn seats then pay for two god damn seats . I have worked for a airline for the last 10 years and I NEVER know if I am going to have a job next week because EVEY airline is ALWAYS LOSING MONEY!!!!!

Side: yes
1 point

One person, one fare!

Most flights I have been on have not been at full capacity. Therefore there is no reason why an obese person cannot book two seats next to one another (as a matter of necessity) but still pay a single fare (because they ARE just one person, at the end of the day).

However, with flights that ARE full capacity then I suppose the airline can choose to charge them double or perhaps 50%-75% of the second seat, as a matter of their own policy.

Read about how Air France dealt with it:http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/air-france-forces-obese-people-to-pay-nearly-double/story-e6frfq80-1225821563654

Side: No
1 point

I thought that this was a bit of a gem:

I feel really strongly that, if you pay for an airline ticket, it’s not fair to have to share the seat with a fat person sitting beside you. Why should one person’s right to be fat be allowed to infringe on your right to use all of your seat space? If someone is so fat that their body doesn’t fit on one seat, they should have to pay for the extra space they take. But I don’t think the solution is larger seats for fat people. Why should airlines pay for the cost of putting in bigger seats? If they did this, they would be saying that it’s OK to be fat, and this just makes things worse.

Basically she's saying that if you're big enough to lean into her, or inconvenience her space, you should be forced to pay double for space you wouldn't be using.

I consider it a part of being a respectful human being that we put up with the little difficulties of one another each day. We couldn't exist together if everyone felt it was their right to not be inconvenienced for the sake of others. For example, I can't stand whiny kids and babies at grocery markets and just about any public place. I wouldn't dream of telling the mother, however, to "Shut that little bastard's face up before I muzzle him."

But of course, if women like her ever get their way then I propose we force her to pay for two seats as well, because while we're on the the course towards a society that is self-entitled, I feel that her presence as a condescending, pompous ass is severely inconvenient towards my ability to enjoy the flight. Perhaps more-so than the two fat people on either side of me.

Side: No
jame23(1) Disputed
1 point

What the hell that the most retarded argument ever, its being a respectful human being to up with little difficulties? That's a bid difficulty fat people can lose weight stop complaining exercise and properly and you won't be fat! A baby on the other can't help but cry they can't say what they want so they cry, don't say crying babies are an inconvenience your fat ass however is!

Side: yes
1 point

I honestly cannot believe all this hostility toward obese people. I am a diabetic and gained weight when I first was diagnosed. I was able to work hard and lose the excess weight over time.

To assume that these overweight people are just lazy and overeaters is an ignorant discrimination. How do you know they don't have a physical defect that causes the excess weight gain? You can't just say they are being selfish for wanting to take an airplane to their destination just like everyone else.

They should NOT have to buy 2 seats. I agree that it would be uncomfortable to have an overweight person in the seat next to you, but no more so then getting stuck in rush hour traffic or getting the wrong flavor cream in your coffee. I think its a bit pompous to think they should pay double just for being overweight.

Side: No
Bohemian(3868) Disputed
1 point

They should NOT have to buy 2 seats. I agree that it would be uncomfortable to have an overweight person in the seat next to you

What if they were taking up both seats?

Side: yes
1 point

No, have you ever seen the size of those seats? they are not made for a normal ass or should I say for someone with an ass. It's just not fair

Side: No
1 point

Canadian Standard Since 2008 it is the law in Canada - one person - one ticket - zero discrimination. And guess what - We are making profits on our airlines! On another site I saw people compare the shipping of boxes to passengers who are large.. declaring that heavy boxes mean you pay more. Good grief - how cold is that. And just an fyi - I weigh 112 pounds so this is not something I personally benefit from.

Side: No
rusrocket(5) Disputed
1 point

Cold indeed! Poor heavy boxes have to pay more while their human equivalents get a free ride! How unjust!

Side: Yes
1 point

Though uncomfortable for others, there is no clear way to draw the line where fat becomes "too fat," Everyone with an open seat next to them prays the seat next to them will be empty and cringe when an extra large person walks down the aisle, hoping that person will not sit next to them. Though it makes it uncomfortable for both the large person and those sitting around them, there is no defined, objective means to determine who needs to purchase the extra ticket. As an alternative, airlines should offer larger seats at an extra cost for those too heavy to fit in a standard seat. This alternative would take the discomfort out of flying for those that may just be giant people by nature, including tall and muscular, not just the obese.

Side: No
rusrocket(5) Disputed
1 point

Most airlines do offer bigger seats, they are called first and business class.

Side: Yes
8886666(1) Disputed
1 point

So what you're saying is that because a peron is big, they should have no other choice but to buy a first class or business class ticket. That is the most stupid shit I've ever herd. Its discrimination and the last time I checked discriomination was illegal.

Side: No
1 point

I'm opposed to an obese person paying two full fares for airline travel as airlines should accommodate a wide variety of travelers. Handicapped people don't pay for special considerations and neither should the obese. I do however support a larger seat section at a slightly increased fare but we all know the world isn't a one size fits all place and the obese shouldn't be penalized for it.

Side: No
1 point

I don't think it's fair for an obese person to pay for two airline seats as it's unnecessary and embarrassing to them. I am a very slim person myself but I have some family members who are slightly overweight (but not obese), and I would be mortified for them if they were told they would have to pay for an extra seat. What if someone had bad breath or gas? These people should be left to enjoy their flight in peace.

Side: No
1 point

Why should they pay for two airline tickets when they are one person? Airline tickets are sold per individual, not per pound. And, the fact that this has been an ongoing debate, for so long, exemplifies the fact that there is a need for the airlines to address this issue. People should not be penalized because of their weight. This smells of discrimination. The airlines are a customer driven society and they should do what they can to make their present, and potential, customers happy. Would it really be putting the airlines out too much to accommodate their larger customers?

Side: No
rusrocket(5) Disputed
1 point

And who do you propose "finances" that accommodation? normal customers?

Side: Yes
1 point

No, obese people shouldn't pay for two airline seats. First, the airlines make the seat's size smaller and smaller continually to hold more people into airplane, maybe someday the seat would be as small as an A4 paper! If you want to be more comfortable, yes you can, just book 3 or 4 seats. Second, extra luggage have been paid for years, now we pay for our body's weight. human=luggage? How do somebody say it's nothing about discrimination? the last but not least, airlines runs for the people. We've already pay enough to let airline company to keep passengers comfortable. so after thinking about making more money, we should think of more about human respect and prejudice. We've already had racial discrimination, social status discrimination, are we going to create "weight discrimination"?!

Side: No
rusrocket(5) Disputed
1 point

What a truly retarded post on so many levels. Wow. I am astonished.

Side: Yes
1 point

i do not beliee that obese people should pay for two seats; even if they cant fit into one perfectly they still shouldnt. i will be honest i am obese or so the doctors say but if i was skinny my answer still would be no. they should not make a weight limit for people because they make the seats "super small" just to make more money for the seats,and sometimes when they do make a person pay for a second seat somone has to sit there anyway and hey shouldnt make the person pay unless the other customer beside them complains and if they do they should get a huge discount to pay like a 90% discount because there isnt one more person flying its still one person

Side: No
1 point

Is there any rules prohibiting the over size persons to pay for their seats in any transportation means? Obese person don't actually liked what they have, if this is the case that some ask for extra charges then it is a sort of discrimination. We are not all born to have fit body, we are not physically the same, but for the rights we have, we must have equal and fair share. It is a health condition that every should have reconsider and have fair treatment.

Side: No

I believe that when you reach a certain age (18 I presume), you should choose whether or not you want to wear a seatbelt. Everyone knows the consequences, and if you decide you don't want to wear one, that's a personal choice.

Side: No
1 point

No, and this is entirely frustrating for people in that kind of scenario, and it is also a violation of rights. Airline fees counts every customers head to head an not by weight. Reverse the idea, how about the child that can't actually occupy the old's seats, can they be exempted instead or have their seats offered to other and they will not pay for their fares. So embarrassing, anyway, to get rid of this obese issue, I suggest everyone to try the health monitoring systems featured at http://www.interactivecare.ca/, this is interactive so I guess it will be helpful to everyone.

Side: No

I think that maybe a per-person flat rate is a bad idea, even if we double it when they take up two seats.

What if, instead, your fare was based on the combined weight of your person and all of your luggage? I don't believe there is a reasonable objection to that- nobody is being discriminated against, the fare is calculated in a wholly objective way. Fat people wouldn't be paying a higher rate than thin people- they would be paying the same rate, applied to a larger overall mass. This would also carry the benefit of encouraging people to pack lighter.

Combine that with tiered seat sizes, where individuals are placed in the smallest seat that can accomodate their entire body, and we have a system that is ultimately fair for everyone.

Side: No

No, of course not. When we do, we treated them as one that is normal and can cause provocation of rights., unless otherwise, if the passenger himself pay and occupies seats for two.

Regards.

Rodney of http://caldwells.com/

Side: No
0 points

I think not, if an obese person has to pay for two seats then they just feel more self-conscience about about there wait. I should know I weigh alot and I'm always thinking what other ppl think of me. We obese people should either get the second seat free or half off.

Side: No
indeed(72) Disputed
2 points

This is one of the lamest arguments in this column. Airlines aren't in the business of making people feel good and worry about people's self conscience.

Your argument about getting the second seat for free or half off is ridiculous. If a normal weight person straps an underweight person to their back and tries to get on the plane - would they get the second seat for free?

Let's use a more reasonable example of why obese people should have to pay more.

Airlines exist to make money. The more people they move they more $$ they make. That's why airlines exist. To make money. If someone is taking up the space of two people then they should compensate the airline for this. Not the other way around.

Side: yes
njpilot78(3) Disputed
1 point

Fuck You Fatty !!!! Lose weight of take a car. I say ban all fat people from leaving the HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: yes
iloveaskylit(4) Disputed
1 point

fuck you skinny ass hoe, you know what some people have medical issues have you ever seen the cute little obese boy that sings "the cupycake song" well he was on the octor oz show and they discovered that one day he was a skinny healthy 3rd grader one day and then the next morning when he awoke he was overweight?it's called medical problems you fucking idiot! I SAY BAN ALL PEOPLE LIKE YOU FROM BREATHING HELL YA IM UP FOR THAT!!

Side: No
Claire999(4) Disputed
1 point

If you overconsume calories, then it's your fault that you're overweight, not the airlines.

Side: yes
Cuaroc(8824) Disputed
1 point

if they are more self conscious about their wait they might do something about it then.

Side: Yes
-2 points
Cerin(203) Disputed
3 points

That they should put down the Big Mac and start exercising to save on airfare.

Side: yes
1 point

Not all obese people are that way simply because of their eating habits genius.

Side: No