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Should Prop 8 be over turned?

To allow gay people to get married, or not, that is the question. And an on going one it is. Who are we to judge? Who are we to say no? I'm not religious, should I not be allowed to get married either? What do you think? I want VALID opinions. Don't be mean or hateful. I want to know exactly WHY you think what you do about it. Is it because of your religion? Is that really a valid reason, or is it just an excuse? REALLY THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE!

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Gay and lesbian people should of course be allowed to marry, like anyone else.

1. It is a fundamental human right. All people in this country are protected by the same constitution. We pay the same taxes. We make the same sacrifices. Why should we be denied the same right everyone else has?

2. The same groups that scream that same sex marriage damages the great and sacred institution of marriage, have themselves defiled it beyond all recognition. Gay men have the lowest divorce rate of all groups (see study in Denmark, where same sex marriage has been legal for the longest period of time - many years). Who has the highest divorce rate? Evangelical Christians. THE HIGHEST. The states with the highest divorce rates? You guessed it, red states with the highest percentage of self-proclaimed "values voters."

3. Who has the highest rate of unwed teenage pregnancies? Same states. Lowest rates? Blue states. (Study just released).

4. California had it's constitution raped by Prop 8. How? A change of this magnitude, where rights already protected are stripped away, require the approval of the legislature, not a simple ballot initiative. This will very likely be struck down by the state supreme court.

Question for all you "values conservatives:" what are you going to do when the US supreme court strikes down all of these state constitutional amendments on equal protection clause of the US constitution? Now that you don't have the protection of a nut like Bush stacking the court, what are you going to do in a few years when it's an Obama court hearing this case?

You won't be able to pass a federal constitutional amendment, you can't get that done even now. History and demographics are on our side. It's not generic blacks that pushed this amendment. See today's New York Times. It was specifically black women, and older ones at that, that voted this way. Not black men, and not below middle age. The same thing applies in the rest of the population: older people vote for discrimination, youth against it. Face it: old people aren't going to be here forever voting against us. We've already won this battle, it's just a matter of time until public sentiment is so overwhelmingly pro-gay that you won't be able to do anything about it.

What will you do then?

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marriage is a human right not a heterosexual privilege

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