Should The American Right Wing Be Considered A Terrorist Organisation?
Yes, They Have Gone Full Nazi
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Yes, liberals wearing masks, waving Communist flags, kneeling for the National Anthem, shooting Republican Representatives at a softball game, shooting 500 Conservatives from a Mandalay Bay window, and Muslims blowing up everything in their path and conducting mass shootings at gay night clubs, all while Conservatives and evangelicals save flood victims , send emergency aid in mass, and conduct mass blood drives makes the right a terrorist group...obviously. Duh. Side: No. Attacking Everyone Is Fine
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So you ignore the existence of literal nazis and white supremacists on the right. You associate kneeling with terrorism? That is literally non-violent political protest. One of americas most deeply held patriotic values and contained within the first amendment to the constitution. and you associate it with terrorism. What a joke Shooting republican reps. Right because a conservative has never, say, bombed an abortion clinic and successfully killed doctors. right? Oh thats cute i like how the FBI and cops currently investigating the las vegas shooting dont even know his motive but YOU some random fuck on the internet in his mom's basement have figured out that not only was he liberal (even though his brother explicitly said he has no political affiliation) but that he was targeting conservatives (nevermind that he actually loved country music AND they found his secondary target was a rap concert down the street). So yeah YOU have cracked the case faster than our best detectives. If of course you ignore those completely contradictory facts i cited. And now suddenly muslims = liberals? Last i checked nobody supported the gay night club shooter. And what does "blow up everything in their path" even refer to? Any other terrorist attack besides the gay night club shooting? or is that just empty bullshit hyperbole because you actually cant think of any other attacks because there are none? You act as if liberals do not exist in texas or florida and havent been helping with the aid. of fucking course they have. Side: Yes, They Have Gone Full Nazi
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last i checked nobody supported the gay night club shooter I can show you left wing media making excuse after excuse for the idiot... Similar to how they are now making excuses for why ISIS is taking responsibility for the Las Vegas shooting. God forbid we just wait for the truth. He couldn't have converted to Islam. It doesn't fit the left's horse crap narrative. Side: No. Attacking Everyone Is Fine
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You act as if liberals do not exist in texas or florida and havent been helping with the aid. of fucking course they have I can show you tons of right wing groups that arrived on scene. I'm still looking for all of these left wing groups... Side: No. Attacking Everyone Is Fine
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So you ignore the existence of literal nazis and white supremacists on the right Not really. I'm not particularly afraid of groups who have tiny numbers, only come out once a year, march after getting a permit, and rarely are involved in actual violence as long as they are ignored. The right also considers them vile. ANTIFA comes out all the time like roaches, commits violence often including targeting the police, has massive numbers, and is openly applauded by the left, including those on this site. Side: No. Attacking Everyone Is Fine
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Perhaps the problem is that this premise is a giant lie... No it isn't. So far this week, on this very board, I have seen Antifa and Black Lives Matter being accused of being terrorist organisations. You are quite literally the biggest liar on this board Amarel, so you've got some nerve. You are a massively dishonest, lying Zionist pig who last month insisted the 2003 invasion of Iraq was legal. Fuck off. Side: Yes, They Have Gone Full Nazi
That's because they are you troll , but hey you also claimed Bin Laden was an innocent because ...... he said so didn't you Q ? Antifa Politico Federal authorities have been warning state and local officials since early 2016 that leftist extremists known as “antifa” had become increasingly confrontational and dangerous, so much so that the Department of Homeland Security formally classified their activities as “domestic terrorist violence,” according to interviews and confidential law enforcement documents obtained by POLITICO. BLM From homeland security, Terrorism is defined as “the use of violence and intimidation in pursuit of political aims”. This definition is the same definition used to declare ISIS and other groups, as terrorist organizations. Black Lives Matter has earned this title due to its violent actions in multiple cities and their influence in the killings of multiple police officers throughout the United States. This group has already been described as a hate group because of it's racist and police hating actions by Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke, a speaker at last years RNC. It is time for the pentagon to be consistent in its actions – and just as they rightfully declared ISIS a terror group, they must declare Black Lives Matter a terror group – on the grounds of principle, integrity, morality, and safety. Do you ever get anything right you disengenous troll ? Side: No. Attacking Everyone Is Fine
No it isn't. So far this week, on this very board, I have seen Antifa and Black Lives Matter being accused of being terrorist organisations. Yes it is. The fact that Antifa is considered, by the Dept of Homeland Security, to be engaging in terrorist activity has nothing to do with the fact that the Right does not hate poor and minority groups as a matter of philosophy. Fuck off. Tough guy with the best argument. As usual. Side: No. Attacking Everyone Is Fine
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You are quite literally the biggest liar on this board Amarel You have 30 profiles. You're a drama queen on steroids. You're also a reptilian mixed with a knuckle dragging chimpanzee who has a tail...but no brain. Come get some of this Quantum. I know you want to, so come get some. Side: No. Attacking Everyone Is Fine
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Near as I can tell, except for the extreme right and the extreme left, both the American Left, and the American Right want the same end results: Peace, liberty, justice, and prosperity for ALL people. Where the difference comes in has to do with basic assumptions about people and basic assumptions about government. The following are the far ends of the spectrum (1 & 10 on a scale of 10), but most folks fall somewhere in between. These are gross generalizations. There are anomalies on both sides, primarly in regard to drug laws and abortion laws, but the baseline assumptions seem to be the following. - The American Left seems to believe the job of government is to make people's lives better, whereas the American right seems to believe the job of government is to do the minimum required to create an environment wherein people (as individuals and freely cooperative organizations) have the opportunities to make their own lives better. The Left in general seems to assume that people in general are intrinsically weak, evil, incompetent, and unable run our own lives responsibly without control or help from government. It also seems to assume that a person's group identity is more important than any individual identity. The Right seems to assume that people in general are intrinsically strong, good (though imperfectly so) competent, and fully able in most ways to direct our own lives with no or minimal interference or help from government. The right also believes in individual actions and choices as the core of identity, and that categories of people are only relevant when they are defined by actions and beliefs. The American Left in general also believes that there is some conceivable form of government that could know better than individuals how to run their lives, and that there is some conceivable form of government capable of fixing the problems people have by regulating people and resources to some degree or other. The left sees the primary way to advance peace, liberty, justice, and prosperity is by instituting the right type of government led by the right people enacting the right laws and government programs. By contrast, the American Rightgenerally believes that at best, government involvement in people's lives is a necessary evil in extreme cases, and in the vast majority of cases, government meddling can only make people's problems worse. The right believes that in most cases, most government acts as a roadblock to people's efforts to advance peace, liberty, justice, and prosperity to all. Therefore, the government that governs least governs best. - Again, these are VERY GENERAL ways to frame differences on the outside of the American political spectrum (not including the radicals/outliers on each side.) As I wrote earlier, most people are not 10s or 1s, or even 9s or 2s on the scale between these. As in all bell curves, the vast majority of Americans cluster toward the center (so if this does not represent how you look at things, that may be why.) True, lately the distributions is getting a bit wider, generally drifting toward the left, but even though the mainstream parties (Democrats and Republicans) have moved toward the left in recent decades) most people are still clustered toward the center of the distribution. Side: No. Attacking Everyone Is Fine
The American Left seems to believe the job of government is to make people's lives better, Hello marcus: Nahhh... The job of government is to make people lives CONSTITUTIONAL.. If that means better, so be it. The rest of what you said is right wing claptrap.. Nice to see you again. excon Side: Yes, They Have Gone Full Nazi
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Howdy Excon, The job of government is to make people lives CONSTITUTIONAL.. If that means better, so be it. Here is an interesting place to look at what we mean in specifics. American right tends toward strict constructionism, and that if the Constitution does not specify that the Federal government has a particular power or duty, then the Federal government is prohibited from doing it. Regarding gun control, for example, the Right sees gun registration as overreach because the Constitution does not specifically say the Federal Government is allowed to do that. Likewise, because the 2nd amendment text is only A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed., and does not mention limits on clip capacity, firing rates, etc., then those things are completely beyond the power or right of the Federal government to regulate. The American Left, by contrast, tends toward liberal constructionism, and believes the Federal Government can assume powers and duties not specified, so long as the Constitution does not specifically prohibit them. Regarding gun control, because there is noting in the Second Amendment guaranteeing particular firing rates, magazine size, etc., and because the they do not interpret these things or gun registration as constituting infringement of the right to bear arms, the left favors these regulations. Again, most people camp out somewhere in the middle. The rest of what you said is right wing claptrap.. I am not sure what you mean by claptrap, when we get to specifics. The American right wing antipathy to welfare, Obamacare/socialized medicine, etc. is based on an assumption that people do not need the government to take care of these sorts of things, that we as individuals and private organizations are perfectly capable of taking care of these things. This includes the assumption that the overwhelming majority of people are kind and responsible, and can provide for ourselves, and will share what we have with those in need. The American Left approaches things like social welfare programs with the assumption that if it were not for government intervention, welfare recipients would starve because they are unable to help themselves, and there are not enough kind people to help them. Were this not the case, they would not accuse the right of being selfish and hateful of the poor when we say these programs should be reduced or abolished. Side: No. Attacking Everyone Is Fine
They aren't Nazi, they simply have beliefs and ideas that they are holding onto. Just like many on the far left do. Both sides have some good points and some bad points, that's why it is so important that people learn to listen to understand and not just hear to respond. Side: No. Attacking Everyone Is Fine
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Let me change a few words of your rant and show you your total hypocrisy.... Why is it that the American Left can't simply discuss their policies with the Right? Why do they have to pretend everyone who disagrees with their hatred of viable unborn babies, special needs babies, Down syndrome Special Olympic babies, are racist nazis? Will you never look in the mirror to see your inhumanity towards our most innocent babies? It is the Left that lacks the tolerance and inclusivity for our most vulnerable. If you are a diverse special needs babies, NO TOLERANCE FOR YOU! your life is meaningless to these Leftwing animals. Side: No. Attacking Everyone Is Fine
The Oxford dictionary defines terrorism as "The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." (Source 1) Since the U.S. right wing in general condemns this and does not engage in it, you will have to redefine the word terrorist to make it fit. In addition, the U.S. right wing is made up of people that hold similar memeoplexes, it isn't an organization. Sources: Side: No. Attacking Everyone Is Fine
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The Oxford dictionary defines terrorism as "The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." Are you saying the Iraq War does not satisfy this definition? How about venomous rhetoric against gays and liberals? How about persecuting drug users? Threats to build giant walls? Punching liberals at rallies? Threatening to start an armed revolution to get rid of Obama? Attacking Obama with slander about being a Kenyan Muslim? Persecuting Liberals for not following their crazed religion? Your definition seems entirely coherent with the behaviour of the American right wing. Side: Yes, They Have Gone Full Nazi
"Are you saying the Iraq War does not satisfy this definition?" I don't agree with the Iraq war and interestingly enough Bush's campaign promises were of non-interventionism (so the republicans didn't actually vote for the Iraq war). It isn't even the modern American right wing we're talking about in this instance, we're just talking about Bush. If the American right-wing are terrorists because Bush used violence then Obama's use of drone strikes means that the American left wing are terrorists. Do you see how stupid you sound now? "How about venomous rhetoric against gays and liberals?" Rhetoric isn't violence, and the rhetoric you personally use against conservatives is always "venomous". "How about persecuting drug users?" Not violence, and I don't agree with criminalizing drugs. Also I wasn't aware that Obama had made all drugs legal, I must have missed that. "Threats to build giant walls?" Again not violence, and if you don't understand why border enforcement is necessary then read some Thomas Malthus. "Punching liberals at rallies?" Because that never happens to conservatives and there aren't groups such as ANTIFA dedicated to political violence against the right wing. "Threatening to start an armed revolution to get rid of Obama?" Once again not violence, and the same was done to Trump. "Attacking Obama with slander about being a Kenyan Muslim?" Again not violence, and as opposed to slander about Trump being a fascist and "literally Hitler"? "Persecuting Liberals for not following their crazed religion?" Not violence, and if there was violence against people for not following a religion I would take issue. Also the American right wing and Christians aren't the same thing. You know that I know you don't believe what you are saying, so I'm unsure why you find it fun to "troll" me but thanks for the practice against fallacy. Side: No. Attacking Everyone Is Fine
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