Should black American citizens be so pissed off about the Rebel Flag?
Today it seems like everyone hates the Rebel Flag. What the fuck is wrong with these people, should they really be so pissed off about it? I mean the US flag flew for over a hundred years of slavery, the Rebel Flag flew only four years of slavery, and any slave who fought under the Confederate side would be free after the war. The Confederate flag to me is a flag of FREEDOM!!!
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Confederacy does not equate slavery. In fact, Confederacy just means "Against Federal". The Confederate states believed in a Confederate government. The tension between the North and South had been going on for awhile and slavery was only a part of it. The main key ignition for the Civil War was the Compromise of 1850 (I believe, I could be getting my history wrong and it was the Great Compromise). Anyhow, in the compromise the Northern states promised to return slaves that had run into their area. It was part of a large agreement that the South would correspond with and the North too. It was a FUCKIN' compromise. The problem was that the North did not hold up their end of the bargain while the South did. This pissed off the South. The South was obeying Federal law (which they're against) while the North didn't (they're the ones who believed in Centralized Government). After long abuse from the North about State vs. Federal law, the South decided that it was time to secede. As for why the South had slavery in the first place was because they were a rural area while the North wasn't. The North didn't need slaves like the South did (they just depended on labor workers who worked in shit, dangerous conditions). The South was used to it. The Civil War wasn't a moral thing, it was a political thing. Preserve the Union. The Republicans were just anti-extentionalists for a variety of reasons, few being moral. Although, they did gain the support of the Abolitionists. Side: No
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People please read your history books... Not only white men but black men proudly fought and died under that flag. Don't take that away from them. Give them the honor and respect they deserve. They would be shamed of the way we act... ...I am just proud of my southern heritage. I completely understand most of the anger, believe me. But, that flags did not and does not stand for slavery. So this is why I believe black citizens have no right to be so pissed OFF Side: No
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Btw I have something for everyone to look at this might change the way you feel about things: Side: Confederate Flag flies for freedom
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Page not found. A little history on the Confederate flag being flown in SC:
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http://www.cultural-expressions.com/
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I do not feel that the Rebel Flag is against anyone. It is a sign that the south holds dear because of the war that was faught. The Rebel Flag basically means that the southern states seccessed from the rest of the United States. This flag is a symbol that we had the right to secede from the United Steates and declare our independence from them. It is not meant for anyone to take as a racest symbol. Just because you have the Rebel flag does not mean that you are racest against anyone. And if you look at when slavery was legal it was under the American flag not the Rebel flag. I am born American but I am Southern By The Grace of God Side: Confederate Flag flies for freedom
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it has nothing to do with slavery read the history about the civil war instead of just being told and repeating it the civil war was about states rights. the reason the confederate flag is associated with racism is the stupid, ignorant , and a waste of a human beings KKK and the equally dumb skin heads.....i have a few confederate flags just because of the southern heritage but at the same time i am respectful enough that some associate it with racism so i don't bring them out sometimes i wear a confederate bandanna but if i offend anyone i take it off but the majority of time no one has a problem with it cause anyone thats ever meets and gets to know me knows that i'm not racist Side: No
Southern states wanted to protect slavery, which they believed was a state right, and you say that the Civil War had NOTHING to do with slavery? Don't tell me to read if you missed the main point of why the bloodiest war in American history was fought. Basically, if you own a Confederate Flag, then you support the people who fought to keep another race enslaved. Side: slavery
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First, your question is set up strangely. I think what you mean to ask is do black citizens have a right to be as pissed off as they are about the rebel flag. And yes, they do. For one, it is a treasonous flag, as we are Americans, not Confederates. Also, it is used by people as a show of white power under the guise of "heritage". Finally, what good does it do? What are you supporting when you fly the Rebel flag? As far as heritage is concerned...the South lost. Which means we are still a part of the US. Which means our heritage is American heritage. Which means the American flag is representative of our heritage. There's no reason a confederate flag can't be in a museum. But flying it on a State House?! That's just crazy. Side: dude STFU
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For one, it is a treasonous flag, as we are Americans, not Confederates. Then the stars and stripes is also a treasonous flag for rebelling against Great Britain. Also, it is used by people as a show of white power under the guise of "heritage". How the flag is used in modern times does not effect how it was originally meant to be used. Finally, what good does it do? What are you supporting when you fly the Rebel flag? We support the sovereign rights of states. As far as heritage is concerned...the South lost. Which means we are still a part of the US. There is a saying that goes, "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still". This applies very well to people with a southern heritage. We are loyal to our state more than the federal government, and there is a world of difference between southern heritage and generic American heritage, because American heritage now includes the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people so that the federal government can have all the power it wants. To a southerner, this is distinctly un-American, and would have been frowned upon to say the least by the founders. But flying it on a State House?! That's just crazy. Not to a southerner. I'm from Texas, and I'm loyal to my state. If my state rebels, I rebel with it. That comes from the idea that the American people shouldn't be ruled over by a central government, which is in fact, a solid American principle. Side: Confederate Flag flies for freedom
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Then the stars and stripes is also a treasonous flag for rebelling against Great Britain. Um, no. Because we won that war. Gaining sovereignty. Don't they teach you that in Texas? How the flag is used in modern times does not effect how it was originally meant to be used. And yet the question is about modern interpretation of the flag's use. Funny how that works. There is a saying that goes, "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still". This applies very well to people with a southern heritage. We are loyal to our state more than the federal government, and there is a world of difference between southern heritage and generic American heritage, because American heritage now includes the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people so that the federal government can have all the power it wants. To a southerner, this is distinctly un-American, and would have been frowned upon to say the least by the founders. Yeah. Because slavery is morally ok and killing is wrong. Tell me more about this slaughtering by the federal government? Not to a southerner. I'm from Texas, and I'm loyal to my state. If my state rebels, I rebel with it. That comes from the idea that the American people shouldn't be ruled over by a central government, which is in fact, a solid American principle. I'm a southerner too. And I can recognize that the flag has some VERY SERIOUSLY negative connotations. Which, in fact, makes it very f*cked up to fly it on state house grounds. Side: Confederate Flag flies for freedom
Then the stars and stripes is also a treasonous flag for rebelling against Great Britain. No it's not, because we no longer belong to Great Britain. Treason by definition is a violation against the allegiance of one's OWN country. The people who fly Confederate flags are not citizens of the Confederacy, they are citizens of the United States. Now if a full-blooded brit were to fly an American, perhaps that might be seen as treasonous, but an American flying an American flag is not. Side: Confederate Flag flies for freedom
not only is it the BATTLE flag of traitors, but it has since come to SYMBOLIZE white supremacy and racial hatred. it has no place on display in any public place where government dollars are at work. you want to put it up over your fireplace to show ppl when they come to dinner, fine.... that way they can know where you are coming from and walk out, if they have any sense. Side: Confederate Flag flies for freedom
You are fucking retarded. The CONFEDERATE FLAG represented the idea that blacks aren't equal to whites. The American flag flew over the country based on equality and freedom, and idea that was before its time, but a just idea nonetheless. The reason the American flag is acceptable and the CONFEDERATE flag is not is that the American flag, even during times of slavery, still stood for equality and freedom (thus proven by the North). Side: dude STFU
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(I am probably late to the debate, but nevertheless) Thus proven by the north? You mean the northern states that outright banned free blacks from entering their borders without paying a tax? Also, look up HK Edgerton. And there is this quote by Jefferson Davis as well: "I tried all in my power to avert this war. I saw it coming, for twelve years I worked night and day to prevent it, but I could not. The North was mad and blind; it would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came, and now it must go on till the last man of this generation falls in his tracks, and his children seize the musket and fight our battle, unless you acknowledge our right to self government. We are not fighting for slavery. We are fighting for Independence, and that, or extermination." Side: Confederate Flag flies for freedom
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The CONFEDERATE FLAG represented the idea that blacks aren't equal to whites. The American flag flew over the country based on equality and freedom, and idea that was before its time, but a just idea nonetheless. Actually, slavery was condoned under the American flag for almost a century. In fact, almost the entire American slave trade was orchestrated by Massachusetts; a NORTHERN colony. The reason the American flag is acceptable and the CONFEDERATE flag is not is that the American flag, even during times of slavery, still stood for equality and freedom (thus proven by the North). So then it's OK when the northern slave trade brings in Negroes by the thousands and works them to death, because they believed in an "idea"? But when the south does it they're just racist bigots? This is simply splitting hairs. Side: Confederate Flag flies for freedom
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