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Should creationism be taught in science classes in public schools?

Educational or not?

Inspired by the new movie Expelled (www.expelledthemovie.com)

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Creationism should be taught in science class so it can be shown that it is not based on facts and testable hypotheses. Once students understand the scientific method, it shouldn't be hard to show that Creationism is not science. A discussion of the differences between creationism and scientific theories is useful to prepare students for debates about the two options.

866 days ago
- mmb98(40) Supported
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I most certainly agree - Creationism is an excellent way of showing kids exactly what science isn't supposed to be. No extended period of time is needed to teach the kids Creationism or to show them how incredibly unscientific it is - it's not exactly a very deep theory.

859 days ago
- geoff(728) Disputed
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There is nothing to teach, there is no debate, there is no controversy. Scientific methodology should be taught in science. Creationism is a non-study. It may be beneficial to apprise students of the noise so-called creationists make but this should soak up time in another subject - media studies perhaps.

865 days ago
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Yes. people need to be exposed to the truth, using the word of God. Inspired by God.

490 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- Spoonerism(693) Disputed
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1-The Bible is not truth unless you can prove it. Thusly, it is not "the truth".

2-This has no place in a science class, it's better kept for Sunday school or youth group.

397 days ago | Tagged As: No
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I believe the truth should be taught in Science class. I have nothing wrong with Science being taught in SCIENCE class, but when it comes down to it, there is too many gaps with the theories of Evolution. Too many impossibilities for the evolutionary process to occur no matter the amount of time. Just look at your body. How fearly perfectly made you are. Understand how complex our body works. Lets just take something like the eye for example. there are far more individual specific then your figure print. Theres only 1 and 10 to the 75th power of a chance that you would find someone with the same irises as you. We have dim, night, and peripheral vision in the rods of our eye. It is just amazing how we are perfectly made and that is just the eye (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eGpWW6scsg). Just look around you and see the artist's creation. I agree with you guys. Just because it is super natural they think it can not be taught. I can agree with the other side that Creationism is not science... ok well, Scientist have only observed the last phase of Evolution, Micro Evolutionary changes. No one has a problem with that we have changes, adaptations within these types of creatures. But it is crazy that science has extrapolated backwards on all of these other phases of evolution that had to have occurred and they say this is science and everything else is philosophical conjecture. Well, this isn’t science; this is also philosophical conjecture because these are Theories of Origins that we can’t duplicate in a laboratory anymore. This isn’t Scientific Method, indeed this is Philosophical conjecture also based on a naturalistic, materialistic progression over time.

274 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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Creationism should be taught in science classes. When i was in a Christian school there was evolution in the Christian text books. We learned to, that it was wrong for many reasons so why can't Creationism be taught in public schools.

129 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- aveskde(1028) Disputed
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Creationism should be taught in science classes. When i was in a Christian school there was evolution in the Christian text books. We learned to, that it was wrong for many reasons so why can't Creationism be taught in public schools.

Ah, that explains your blind spot towards science and critical thinking.

129 days ago | Tagged As: No
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All right, I admit I started this debate just to hear what creationists should say. But since there don't seem to be many creationists on this site, I changed the settings. I think teachers should teach creationism as an example of a hypothesis that lacks evidence.

852 days ago
- RevFred(336) Disputed
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There are plenty of examples that don't involve a god. Separation of church and state please.

838 days ago
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Creationism should not be taught as science in science classes. It should, however, be taught as an example of what the difference between science and pseudoscience is.

It is extremely important that students understand why scientific theories must be falsifiable, and what the difference between a theory and a fact is. Many creationists use the argument that evolution is a theory, not a fact (as if they are opposed to each other), and if people understand the very basic concept of science, which I believe is not taught well enough, then they would also understand why creationism is not science at all.

So creationism should only be used as an example of what is not science - if something is true, it doesn't necessarily mean that it is scientific. That is, creationism may be true, but it is certainly not science and can not be compared to evolution or used as an alternative to evolution.

843 days ago
- RevFred(336) Disputed
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If science is taught well enough, then students will be able to figure this out for themselves. It has no place in our schools.

838 days ago
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- rajpadalia(18) Disputed
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Creationism/ Intelligent design is not science, it is faith based religion. It cant be taught in schools. If you want to learn it or want your children to learn it, teach it to them yourself and let them decide. The classroom however is not a place to preach religion. Creationism has not been proven using the scientific method, therefore it is not a real science. Evolution, although it has not been completely proven, it has greater acceptance than religion in classrooms due to the fact that it has a substantial amount of scientific evidence, much more than religion.

There is no hypothesis to prove in religion, its just faith and ideas.

628 days ago | Tagged As: No
- ahs22(2) Supported
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i totally agree with you!!!!! i am currently working on a ten page research paper for my senior english class and this is what i am doing it over. i dont understand why evolution is allowed to be taught in schools and creationism is not. it really makes no sense to me. so i chose to do my paper on just that. "if evolution can be taught in schools then creationism should be too!" so i totally agree with you!!!!

570 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- ledhead818(621) Disputed
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From a constitutional standpoint it is not legal for schools to teach creationism. Under the establishment clause in the first amendment the government is not allowed to do anything that unnecessarily entangles the government with religion. If public schools are to teach an idea other than evolution, how do they choose. This choosing is what "unnecessarily entangles government with religion." You would have to teach every religion's different creationist ideas, and the whole selection process entangles government with religion.

From a scientific standpoint it is not science and it has no place in a science class. Science class is not for disproving unscientific ideas, it is for explaining the scientific method and commonly held scientific theories and explanations. And you still have the problem of entanglement if you propose teaching it outside of a science class. If a school offers a bible study class, it is wrong not to offer a Buddhism class or a Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster class. What if a student develops his own religion and wants that taught? That is why we limit education in public schools to things that have evidence.

486 days ago | Tagged As: No
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- ledhead818(621) Disputed
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In science you cannot ever prove anything 100% right, that goes against scientific thinking. That is what makes science better than religion, it is open to change. Regardless evolution is one of the most widely held theories by scientists. Among every legitimate scientist who truly practices the scientific method, evolution is not a question.

Again what biblical account was proven right? Other than the moon creating its own light, the earth sitting on a pillar and being flat and things of that nature?

We are not saying that the government should say that religion is false, completely the opposite, we are saying the government should not say anything at all. Leave religious instruction to families if they want to make their kids believe in magical space gods. These things have no place in an institution of knowledge.

486 days ago | Tagged As: No
- rajpadalia(18) Disputed
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"i do not believe that we should teach evolution as fact when it has never ever been proved right, whereas the biblical accounts of many things have been proven right over the years"

This my friend, is where you are 100% mistaken. Youre an idiot. Although the theory of evolution as a whole has not been made a scientific law, it has however been backed up by many studies. If evolution were all false, then it wouldnt exist as such a popular theory as it is today. The bible however is based on religion. Separation of Church and state is what is fair. If you insist on teaching both, then we might as well teach every damn religion out there, not just Christianity. The Bible, Torah, Quaran, Bhagvat Gita, ... ect has its place, not in a science class, but a theology or religious theory class.

628 days ago | Tagged As: No
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- testrunist(12) Disputed
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The fact of the matter is that there is more scientific evidence for the big bang and evolution than there is for creationism. Unfortunately religion only has had philosophical arguments so far and everyone knows that: evidence > argument.

711 days ago | Tagged As: No
- E223(181) Supported
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The fact of the matter is that creationism violates the basic rules of science because it requires a supernatural force. Not only that, but it doesn't offer up any testable hypothesis (thus it's not science).

701 days ago | Tagged As: No
- ahs22(2) Supported
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wow!!!! that is soo right!!!! i totally agree!!! why do people say that creationism is simply based on opinion???!!! its really crazy when in fact so is evolution!!! it has never been proven true by anyone!!! the whole "big bang theory" is a bunch of hog-wash if you ask me! a big huge world with people and everything cannot just explode into being from a small atom or whatever they are saying it was. something or someone had to have created it!!! who or what!!!??? that should be the question and the answer should be GOD!!!! duh

570 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- Shivscape(18) Disputed
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simply untrue. evolution doesn't need to be proved, it is a theory as it has no math in it.

It has the most evidence for it and therefore should be taught in schools

554 days ago | Tagged As: No
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Creationism is a religious doctrine, not a scientific theory. Presenting it as such is wrong. Until such time as there is compelling scientific proof that creationism is a legitimate scientific alternative to evolution it should not be presented in science classes. That's not to say that it can't be discussed in a World Religions class or something similar. Merely that it has no place in a science classroom.

867 days ago
- blammo(182) Supported
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Hey PVT,

though we are enemies on the site (haha) I completely agree with you on this one!

Even though I find creationism ludicrous and I shudder to think that children in this country are actually being seriously subject to this, I have no problem with it being taught as a non-science class, in fact I encourage all fields of thought be taught to promote understanding and diplomacy. But Like PVT says, this way of thinking is not scientifically proven, in fact in many ways scientifically wrong. Thus, I wouldn't approve of it as a substitute to a more legitimate curriculum.

867 days ago
- gypsy21(3) Disputed
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i disagree, no offense, but there is tons of evidence supporting the biblical accounts of many things, nothing else in the bible has been proven false. In fact the more they try to disprove the bible the more they find to be fact. it is all over the internet it can easily be checked.

785 days ago
- E223(181) Disputed
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[Citation Needed]

701 days ago | Tagged As: No
- Probama123(38) Disputed
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well stuff in the bible hasn't been proven true either. Under your philosophy, accused criminals should go to jail without trial, because we cannot prove that they didn't commit the crime. Sorry bud the world doesn't work that way.

639 days ago | Tagged As: No
- ledhead818(621) Disputed
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That's an awfully big claim. You might want to, you know, point us toward some evidence instead of saying "it's all over the internet."

486 days ago | Tagged As: No
- Spoonerism(693) Disputed
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nothing else in the bible has been proven false

1-The Bible's timeline sets the world's age at 6,000 years old. Evidence from astronomy, geology, biology, paleontology, chemistry, geomorphology and physics set the world's age at around 4 1/2 billion years old. 4,540,000,000. That's a slight difference of just 4,539,994,000 years. A source I found on the internet instead of just copping out and telling you to find it yourself

2-The Bible says that God made man right after he created the earth, but scientific fact proves that dinosaurs existed prior to mankind.

397 days ago | Tagged As: No
- Ledfoot(112) Disputed
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Creationism is also a theory of how everything came to be, scientific or not. Creationism is just as logical of an explanation as Evolution or the Big Bang theory too. you can argue: Where there is design, there must be a designer. For instance, suppose you came upon a deserted island and found ‘S.O.S.’ written in the sand on the beach. You would not think the wind or the waves had written it by mere chance but that someone had been there, someone intelligent enough to design and write the message. Same as with the Big Bang or Evolution. Something so complex and so complicated that humans, after thousands of years, still do not fully comprehend could have happened by mere chance!?!?

486 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- Spoonerism(693) Disputed
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Creationism is also a theory of how everything came to be, scientific or not.

...Um...ok, since it's NOT a theory based in science, why should it be taught in a science classroom?

I'm not saying it's a theory you shouldn't believe if you want to, but it should not be taught as science. Science teaches conclusions from observations. Creationism is not a conclusion reached from observation, therefore, creationism is not science.

397 days ago | Tagged As: No
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No, for one it's not a science. There is no evidence to support any of it's claims. The only way I would accept any reference to creationism in my Biology class would be "Ok class, this is a perfect example of what you should not believe in, and heres why."

I wouldn't mind if it was it's own elective,but to make it state tested curriculum as a science is moronic. Plus I don't think half of the people in my school could be taught two contradicting lessons in one class, their heads just might explode.

854 days ago
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No. It's not scientific in any way. It is not a hypothesis, theory, or a law. It was not deducted from the scientific method. There is no proof of it, and there are really no processes/mechanisms to study. If they want the teachers to mention that creationism exists just as a side note while studying evolution that's fine, but you can't study creationism.

850 days ago
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Something should only be taught in a scientce class if it has some kind of scientific basis. There is nothing scientific about creationism. It is opinion and belief, not science.

840 days ago
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No, it's like teaching algebra in Science. Sure algebra may be reffered to in Science for some cases but it's definitely not something you incorporate into the year's learning schedule. That's what Religious Studies is for.

840 days ago
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Creationism belongs in a science classroom as much as alchemy and astrology do, which is not at all.

839 days ago
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No. It has nothing to do with applicable science. Even if you do consider it to be science, creationism has no useful implementations in the modern world. Until we figure out how to become gods ourselves, there is no use in learning how a god can make a world.

838 days ago
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No, gods (ie: deus ex machina theories) should be not taught in science class. It derails the concept of empirical research.

711 days ago | Tagged As: No
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Creationism should be taught in a church.

Evolution should be taught in ALL schools.

554 days ago | Tagged As: No
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I oppose teaching creationism in science class until Flying Spaghetti Monsterism can be taught in science class (Which I hope will be never). Touched by His Noodly Appendage

397 days ago | Tagged As: No
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No, that is what Sunday school (or catechism or CCD) is for. I learned about creationism ONLY in religious institutions, as it should be. I heard the arguments behind each side and I have realized that evolution makes sense and that creationism is either a story with a message behind it or a way to explain that what could not be explained at the time.

397 days ago | Tagged As: No
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What's the point? It would force those who don't like it to teach it, obviously doing a poor job of representing it.

What's funny about this argument is that its inspired by Expelled, which doesn't talk about teaching creationism in schools, but about the persecution from evolutionists to any dissenting opinion.

Also funny is the idea that evolution is observed. The only thing observed is speciation, which is enlarged to cover kinds becoming other kinds, which has never been observed. And any talk about the beginning of this universe should not be taught in science classes, becuase it can't be observed and tested. What we have is various evidence that is interpreted by people, and their worldviews bias that interpretation.

864 days ago
- pvtNobody(622) Disputed
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Actually, stating that the beginning of the universe can't be observed isn't technically true. With a powerful enough telescope one could actually, theoretically peering directly back to the beginning of the universe. It's a strange but very cool idea. As for evolution not being observed there is a far amount of evidence to support the theory. I do agree that people in general should be more open to ideas that differ from their opinion but there really aren't any theories on the subject that present more compelling evidence (that I know of at least).

864 days ago
- Kaira(52) Disputed
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Well, I know quite a few teachers that don't like evolution, but they do a good job of teaching it anyways. And I haven't watched Expelled yet, so I don't know what it says, but the obvious next step in Intelligent Design (pretty much the same as creationism) being scientifically accepted is it being taught as an alternative theory.

864 days ago
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There is simply nothing to teach.

866 days ago
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