Yes, but it's a slippery slope. We might consider MS a disability today and abort a fetus. Tomorrow, we might abort a fetus with a 90% chance of having red hair. What we perceive to be a disability is a moving target.
131 days ago | Tagged As: yes
You should probably research MS. You obviously don't know what it is.
130 days ago | Tagged As: No
I do know what it is. (And here are some random words to beat the 50 character minimum.)
130 days ago | Tagged As: yes
I believe it is the right of the parents to choose. On saying this, I think doctors need to be sure their patient knows all the different alternatives, costs involved, different support groups, and marital advice, and as much about the dissability as possible so the parents can make a better decision. What one person can deal with another person can't.I know people are already making these decisions and totally support their decision either way, having had the joy of working with the disabled, but also seeing the strain it can put on the support people. But the option needs to remain available.
121 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Yes! We should make it retroactive and we should reclaim all those parking spaces too. ;)
130 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Edit: Of course we should. I'm all for pre-life euthanasia. In fact, I do believe that these abortions should be forced. The only problem is that's very very hard to push into law.
131 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Care to give an actual reason for forcing your "expert" views on whether or not a life is worth living on others?
130 days ago | Tagged As: No
Disabilities provide an inconvenience to both the public and the individual. Everyone's better off without them.
130 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Is convenience more important than human lives? Why is convenience so great? If you ask me, it's completely overrated. It makes us unused to working for anything, or being patient with anything. Besides that, isn't a human life important? At least more important than the convenience of other humans? Would you want your life to be taken away, prevented, whatever, just because it would inconvenience others or because someone decided FOR YOU that it wasn't worthwhile? Besides all that, isn't it just a tiny bit controlling for the government to decide whether or not someone can have a disabled child?
130 days ago | Tagged As: No
It's a fetus, so there isn't that much life being taken away. __---__----_-___-----_-_ - -_ - _ _- -
130 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Abortion is a somewhat confusing issue; I don't pretend to know the exact right answer or explanation of what I think. Nonetheless, here is what I think: Even though the life is not fully developed, it is still a human life, a being who, if he/she doesn't already(I don't really know), will have thoughts, emotions, acts of compassion, of anger, of carelessness, etc. Why would you want to take that from someone? Who are you to say that: 1. That person doesn't get to live life. and, 2. That mother and father don't get to have a child they want to have?
130 days ago | Tagged As: No
you're right. I take back what I said that it should be forced. But, it should be highly encouraged. But movies about retards are heart warming, so we do need SOME around.
130 days ago | Tagged As: yes
For you, maybe. Some people are strong and willing enough to overcome those "inconvienences."
130 days ago | Tagged As: No
Then they don't need all those parking spaces, now do they ? ;)
130 days ago | Tagged As: yes
That's part of the societal support system. We make compromises to accomidate disabilities as a group.
130 days ago | Tagged As: No
Well then they should give me one of those disabled stickers for my car. You've seen my debates; you've seen my arguments. Do I have your support ;)
130 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Are you trying to say that you have some sort of high functioning autism? Your eligibility for a sticker is not for me to decide. Please contact the DMV with any further inquiries.
130 days ago | Tagged As: No
I don't know if it's some sort of high functioning autism or something else but there's something definitely wrong with me ;)
130 days ago | Tagged As: yes
If they were actually strong and willing enough they wouldn't receive all the special care that they do. but they do. Lets face it, if we could stop the birth of disabled people, the world would be a much happier place. And it's abortion; it's not like we're killing them as they come out.
130 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Part of being strong is being able to accept help when you need it. It's a reasonable accomidation to help people cope with their disabilities. How would the world be happier? There would still be people with disabilities, just fewer. You definition of "happiness" needs to be defined. Forced abortion, in your opinion.
130 days ago | Tagged As: No
When we have less hassles and less miserable people out there, the energy becomes more positive. And in that note, people naturally become happier. Being strong is not needing help. Accepting help when you need it is just being reasonable.
130 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Are you saying most or even all disabled persons are miserable and a "hassel"? Not only is that monumentally offensive, it's untrue. If you are basing this on the fact that you would be miserable if you had a disability, then that is a sign of your own weak character but in no way a reflection on others. There is a lovely little girl who comes to my dog park with her father. She doesn't have a dog, but just comes to play. She has a myriad of disorders, and will have to be cared for her entire life. But, she is happy. Her father is happy. And I could not imagine her ever saying, gosh I wish I had never been born. I happen to think that proportionally, there are more depressed "normal" people than disabled. The character of a disabled person is truly amazing, and is probably a direct result of their trials. Being strong is not needing help. No, that's being stubborn and lonely. Again, what's your definition of happiness?
130 days ago | Tagged As: No
Ah, yes, the view that Ignorance is Bliss. Unfortunately, it's only bliss for those who have it. For the people surrounding them, it is annoying. And what about physical handicaps? Are you saying they wouldn't be any happier without them? Mentally handicapped provide very little for society and are only a dead weight. If we had the ability to reduce it, it would be our responsibility to do so.
130 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Wow, you are a disgusting human being. Is lack of a soul a disability? Because you've got it. The people who carry a disabled child to term are the kind that will care for it unconditionally. That is why it is a choice. No one is ignorant. And you obviously are too close minded to comprehend others, because that is not what I said. People with physical handicaps can be happy, or sad. Or even simply content with life, just like everyone else. Again, what is your definition of happiness?
130 days ago | Tagged As: No
1. There's no such thing as a soul. So no, it's not a disability. 2. Fine. Let the abortion be a choice. But, it should be highly encouraged and available until 9 months without hesitation. 3. Retards and senile old people are very ignorant. 4. They are a burden and are burdened themselves. If we can stop this from happening before they come to life, it would be very irresponsible to not do so. But, a heart warming tale about a retard is still good for movies and books, so that's why i change my view on whether it should be forced or not. Everyone loves a good retard flick. 5. Achievement.
130 days ago | Tagged As: yes
Oooh... I see. Your a mentally disturbed individual, yourself. Your views on life are so skewed towards hatred, probably an outward reflection of your self-hate, that you don't have the ability to feel compassion. You should consider therapy. Ill have some Christians pray for you.
130 days ago | Tagged As: No
Mentally disturbed is not mentally disabled. The events in my life creating the self-loathing, misanthrope that I am has only helped me become very logical and individualist. The problem with therapy is that I know exactly what is wrong with me and I have no intention on "fixing" it. But, this has little to nothing to do with my rebuttal.
130 days ago | Tagged As: yes
I didnt say it is the same. It is in fact worse. You don't get help for yourself because you are afraid of your own mental weaknesses. It has everything to do with your stance in this and every subject. You're crazy. Incapable of reasoning. Not worth debating with.
130 days ago | Tagged As: No
This is you giving up. What I propose (encouragement of abortion for the disabled) is completely reasonable. In fact, it's mercy killing. I accept help when I need it. I never said I was perfectly strong. Obviously I am only as strong as the average person. And still, it doesn't answer anything else. You're just trying to attack me.
129 days ago | Tagged As: yes
It's mercy killing? Can you define what mercy killing is? I'm not attacking you to win a debate. I'm letting you know that if you have a certain set of mental disorders, your judgemnet is compromised. So I don't care if you get help, but to be an effective debater, you should understand "normal" opinions matter most.
129 days ago | Tagged As: No
Really? What are your normal opinions? That sounds pretty elitist to me. Mercy killing is killing out of mercy. Although, since it's a fetus, it's not really killing. Fetuses aren't even human. And I don't have a mental disorder. Misanthropy and self-loathing are just feelings. They're not disorders. A disorder would be a histrionic (environmentalists), antisocials, schizoids, hypochondriacs, narcissists, etc. Misanthropy is an attitude.
129 days ago | Tagged As: yes
I didn't say I was normal. But I understand normality. It's not elitist, it's smart. The masses decide, so it's good to understand them. A Mercy Killing assumes that those killed would be better off dead. My opinion is that they have a chance at a good life, so mercy killings aren't needed. You are disturbed, and call it giving up, but I don't want to debate with you anymore. It's not worth mt time to debate with a crazy person.
129 days ago | Tagged As: No
ya see. That's completely uncalled for. I am not crazy, and you have no proof that I am. I advocate the abortion of disabled fetuses. There are MANY people out there who feel the same. But you're an elitist. I get it.
129 days ago | Tagged As: yes
I'm sorry, the debate was posted before I could add an explanation about the specifics of it. I have now added this information if you want to modify your post.
131 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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Definitely not. Who are we to say that someone else's life is worthless, just because of a disability? Obviously their lives will be difficult, but they still experience emotions, thoughts, and have friends and family relationships. They show affection, they care about others, and even the most severe cases communicate, if you pay enough attention. I have a younger brother who is severely disabled, that's how I know these things. The only case in which I think a disabled person should be aborted is if the woman's life is in danger, and if the baby will most likely not survive for more than a painful hour(see the late term abortion debate, iamdavidh's comment. Thanks btw, David, for letting me know about that disease. I would never have fully been aware of the late term abortion argument if you hadn't mentioned that.).
131 days ago | Tagged As: No
I'm sorry. I misread the debate description...I suppose screenings for the exception(s) I mentioned would be okay. BUT what I say still stands; it would be wrong to abort a baby simply because of a disability.
131 days ago | Tagged As: No
If the questions is personal, "Can I take care of this child?", "Do I want to give birth to this child?", "Is my child's disability too severe?", et cetera... Then the answer is personal. If the question is economical, "Can I afford to care for this child?", then the answer is Yes. Government,I feel, is an insurance policy. A lot of these diseases have the potential to happen to anyone, and so as a society we should care for them. Why should we say to a mother who's child has a chromosomal disease that she must abort, but a mother who's baby looks "fine" gets to keep hers. There are still disabilities that occur later in life, some not so late. Many "disabled" persons make great contributions to society. And modern science has helped to raise their quality of life, and hasthe potential to go further. There is a fine line between rationality and cruelty. I think this should be a personal choice, up to the mother or couple.
130 days ago | Tagged As: No
Absolutely NOT! Who are we to decide who will live and who will not live? And how far do we go with what constitutes a disability? Who is to decide that? The only exception I can think of right now is if the child is going to be born a complete vegetable. Perhaps under those circumstances it would be right to do but no others I can think of. People with disabilities contribute to our society on a daily basis. Every year I buy my calendars and greeting cards from a business called the "Foot and Mouth Painting Artists." You should see the kind of craft they put out! They are and have been disabled...shall we simply have thrown them away as a waste to society? I think not. I know many people in the world who have all their faculties and limbs and they're absolutely a drain on normal society. I'd just as soon we put them to the side and keep all the disabled people in the mainstream if possible.
130 days ago | Tagged As: No
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