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Should enangered animals be in zoos?
I persanaly think no why should we put animals in zoos for entertainment! Put yourself in there position think we don't want them to die so don't put them in there. Endangered animals are dying every day but, I have found that animals dye in zoos earlyer then they do in the wild. So we shouldn't put them to that suffering. We also shouldn't put them in there because in an incvlosed space they don't have as much freedom to run and play in the wild its limited.
I wholly agree! Animals that are endangered should be placed in rehabilitation centers or reintroduced to other places. Some zoo animals like their environment but mot don't. Big animals in zoos live shorter lives while animals like big cats live ten years longer. 10 extra dreadful years of depression, confusion, and sedation.
Once I graduate law school my plan is to regulate laws that restrict continued breeding of big animals such as the elephant and orca. I wish I could do the same for the other animals but zoos unfortunately have constitutional rights that allow them such cruelty. I only see the animals that live shorter lives than they would in the wild being a case that I would win.
Its absolutely disgusting that people exploit animals thinking they are doing them a favor. They put them in exhibits where kids throw rocks and food at them; and most zoo animals are secretive/private animals, so having them exposed to people screaming at them and constantly watching them is very unforgiving. And when the animals such as the Detroit gorilla tries to escape such cruel confinement, they get shot and killed.
I know 'someone' who, if they had the opportunity, capture a child, keep that child locked in a small room; occasionally throw rocks and food at the child's face; bang on the door randomly; and keep a 24 hour live footage running just to see societies reaction; Then explain that this is how you treat animals who are no different then us; the same way that child is crying, so are animals; the same way that child is afraid and confused, so are animals. I understand 'him'.
Yes zoos do brilliant things for an endangered species zoos are so much more than simply showing an animal off for entertainment now. Breeding programs help to restore populations and are sort of insurance policy if the wild population did go extinct, since if that population went extinct in the wild we could rehabilitate and reintroduce those animals.
This is especially needed in Borneo with orangutans, if they go extinct an entire ecosystem collapses because they are so vitally important. A breeding program in a zoo can so much to help that.
What you say about lifespans is not necessarily true for some animals yes it is especially orcas and I am whole heartedly against having them in captivity as we can never provide what try need they're life spans in captivity are around 25 - 30 years but in the wild they can live up to 100 years old. Some animals however it's a different story for example wolves they're lifespan can improve by a couple of years while in captivity and this goes for other animals as well.
If the zoo is a good zoo and is well kept and the animals are well looked after then I am very happy to see endangered animals there.
These animals can be looked after and taken care of but they live much worse lives. Animals don't enjoy being exploited because they are very secretive and private. As a result of being exploited they become depressed, and because they cant actually do anything, they become bored and that's why zoos are the only place you see these animals bobbing their heads, or elephants just standing and swinging their trunks. Don't be misconstrued by the zoos projection, these animals are in prison for the publics satisfaction and are miserable. Elephants live extremely shorter lives for good reason. Notice how zoos are pushing for white tigers? Do you know how they try and keep producing white tigers? Inbreeding, which, when it fails, means the cub(s) will be killed and they try again. Did you also know that mothers that give birth n zoon normally neglect their young? They don't let them feed and they don't even care what happens to them. What happens in the winter? They cant stay out in their 'natural' exhibit. they get moved to inside cages where they will remain until the seasons over.
No matter how well-cared-for these animals are, procedures that hurt these animals must be done; these animals cannot remain secretive- which is the main problem; they cannot escape boredom- another significant issue; and large animals cannot escape premature death.
You're opinion on this seems very biased to me you are saying that every zoo has done the things you have stated. I am very aware of the things some zoos have done and like you I do not agree with the captivity of elephants just like orcas we can never provide what they need.
I am very aware that there are some horrible zoos out there who treat their animals horribly but there are zoos where the animals are completely fine with no depression again you said it was a definite thing that a zoo animal would become depressed when that is not the case. Yes animals can become depressed in zoos if they aren't treated properly but many zoos are brilliant with their animals and provide everything they need. The breeding programs help with numbers. There are many zoos around the world that are good and the animals are visibly content on where they are.
A good zoo will provide a good amount of space and enrichment for an animal and there are plenty of zoos who do. If you go to places like longleat or Cotswold wildlife park you can see that they are content. The elephant that longleat has came from a circus which is why it is often found stood swaying that's because what happened in the circus starred it and it hasn't been able to break its habits. Longleat are doing all they can to help that animal it has good days and bad days.
Yes animals can become depressed in zoos if they aren't treated properly but many zoos are brilliant with their animals and provide everything they need.
The depression isn't derived from mistreatment, it is derived from lack of natural environment, inability to mate, inability to act on its natural instincts, boredom, and inability to be discrete. Just because an animal is well treated doesn't negate the fact that it's a zoo. The main goal is exploitation, during exploitation kids scream at the animal, throw things to get its attention (although its prohibited it still done; and I also understand animals in the glass but there's still banging), etc.
There are many zoos around the world that are good and the animals are visibly content on where they are.
As for this visibility: the animals are sedated once onlookers become aware of its depressive state. That's why you normally see animals doing what appears to be relaxing.
The elephant that longleat has came from a circus which is why it is often found stood swaying that's because what happened in the circus starred it and it hasn't been able to break its habits
The trunk swinging is a common sign of boredom for all elephants in all zoos. It's not because of the circus- and I never heard of that story.
lack of natural environment, inability to mate, inability to act on its natural instincts, boredom, and inability to be discrete.
That right here is what I would class as a mistreatment. Many zoos I've been too have dine the best they can to make the environment look natural to the animal. Zoos have to be in breeding programs (in the UK anyway) mating isn't necessarily an issue plus it is known for some zoos to use contraception like the pill so mating can persist normally but there is no pregnancy (this stops an overpopulation in the zoo). Again acting on natural instincts is something that zoos can help with, for example tigers, they patrol their territory and move about their territory a zoo in Australia walk their tigers daily in order to recreate this and it works. A good zoo will have plenty of places to hide from the public eye.
The main goal is exploitation, during exploitation kids scream at the animal, throw things to get its attention
I have never seen this happen before, I know it does happen but zoos will crack down on it.
As for this visibility: the animals are sedated once onlookers become aware of its depressive state. That's why you normally see animals doing what appears to be relaxing.
Please give me a source of this happening as this is something I have only heard of happening once and that is in tiger palace in Thailand where they sedate the tigers so people can have a photo with them. What it sounds like you're telling me is that every content and active zoo animal I've seen has been sedated. This most certainly is not the case for all zoos. A good zoo is a member of either BIAZA, EAZA or WAZA (I trust you know how to use google and search these up) A zoo being apart of one or all of these organisations means that the zoo gets regular checks to see if their Code of Ethics is being followed as well as the animals are being well looked after as well as the enclosures. If they see a fault they have the ability to rid the zoo of it's membership and take that animal away to give to another zoo who will look after it.
The trunk swinging is a common sign of boredom for all elephants in all zoos. It's not because of the circus- and I never heard of that story.
Yes it often is but while in the circus the elephant was so confined the only movement it could do was sway and it has stuck as a habit to her. The circus is what gave her the unbreakable (stereotypic) behaviour.
Again acting on natural instincts is something that zoos can help with, for example tigers, they patrol their territory and move about their territory a zoo in Australia walk their tigers daily in order to recreate this and it works.
Do you honestly believe that animal that claim territory expanding in miles, are fooled by the small zoo unnatural environment? They are confused and depressed because of this, the reason being that, although they may have never been in the wild, their instincts compel them to do things such as hunt and claims miles of territory. A tiger freely getting meals and never needing to hunt or worry about intruders may seem luxurious, but the fact is that their instinctual-drives cannot be executed because zoos don't have the necessary equipment and space to do so. For example, the reason orcas and elephants die early in zoos is because they are built to traverse hundreds of miles in their environment(s). And female zoo animals normally disown their young because of such unnaturalness encompassing them.
I have never seen this happen before, I know it does happen but zoos will crack down on it.
On the throwing of rocks, not the screaming. They really won't even crack down on the throwing of food and rocks nut if a zoo official sees you doing such acts you will be warned- and that's a big IF.
are fooled by the small zoo unnatural environment?
They aren't walked around the enclosure. they're walked around a forest owned by the zoo near the enclosures. The public cannot get into the forest and the tigers who patrol it are visibly content and very active and not in a way that is stereotypic. Their minds are always stimulated.
never needing to hunt
Zoos can imitate hunting quite easily. For example in longleat the zoo I mentioned earlier their lion enclosure is big enough that they have a carcass attached to the back of Jeep and they will allow the lions to chase the Jeep in a way of imitating the hunt. It greatly helps to satisfy that instinct.
the reason orcas and elephants die early in zoos
Most certainly these are huge and intelligent animals the amount of space and mental stimulation they need is impossible for us to provide. Orcas lose about 2/3 of their lifespan in captivity (in seaworld anyway). Seaworld is horrible place for their aquatic animals and I refuse to support them, it is a place that truly is only in it for the money, they don't care about their animals or their employees. Watch a show called storyville: blackfish it will give you a horrific insight to seaworld. These are however big animals and like I said earlier we cannot provide for them however other animals we certainly can, for example if a zoo has an animal that digs around for food rather than hunts or forages they can bury food and allow the animal to sniff it out and dig to keep them stimulated a type of food enrichment. Food enrichment greatly helps with boredom and mental stimulation of the animals, the food enrichment is different for each animal. So a monkey might get food in a puzzle ball or tied up high so it works for it's food. For a tiger or lion they can stimulate breaking through the skin of meat by giving them either a carcass that has it's skin still on it or wrap meat in thick tough skin. This is rather important for a tiger as if a tiger doesn't get much mental stimulation from it's meal it has been known for them to regurgitate it and eat it again this is very good for them.
They aren't walked around the enclosure. they're walked around a forest owned by the zoo near the enclosures
They're walked, tis supplements the notion of their inability to indulge in naturalistic tendencies. They are walked but can they just 'walk' through supposed forest anytime they please? Prisoners (at least some) go outside to engage in different activities- so one may argue that prisoners are not necessarily 'locked in cages', but given that their 'outside freedom' is only a matter of hours, and their lockup is significantly more (97%), then I would still consider them prisoners (having the inability to do what one wishes), wouldn't you?
Zoos can imitate hunting quite easily. For example in longleat the zoo I mentioned earlier their lion enclosure is big enough that they have a carcass attached to the back of Jeep and they will allow the lions to chase the Jeep in a way of imitating the hunt.
I am aware of that--and would be in full acceptance of it if the lion(s) was(were) injured or rescued, if not, why not return it(them) to the wild?--and this method, as you stated, only (efficiently) works in zoos such as the one stated. Most zoos do not offer enclosures this big (about 90% of them do not), so, I would better understand your position if your focal point was on 3 or 4 zoos, but to say zoos in general--I know you didn't say "all" but you implicated a generalization--is a good idea, I must disagree. I would move for the removal of just the idea of a zoo; for, in all zoos, a animal or two may be comfortable with their unnatural environment, but its never a "one size fits all" kind of business.
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I agree , mostly, with the second part. I have seen blackfish- however, I wish they'd make the same movies for zoo animals (such as the horrific polar bear story; and I wish they show footage of the animals in most zoos that live in environments not even attempting to emulate their natural one(s).
Food enrichment: I would be terrible to disagree with whatever would help these poor animals, I just don't think they need to even be in a predicament like this. Most zoo animals aren't even endangered- which goes to show the purpose behind a zoo ... business. Zoos hardly provide any information (or they rather do with the small pictures and even smaller wording placed on some framework that no one even reads, and they know this, but due to their healthy profits, they really don't care).
I wholly agree with the fact of animals living worse lives in zoos than in the wild. Animals that are endangered should be placed in rehabilitation centers or reintroduced to other places. Some zoo animals like their environment but mot don't. Big animals in zoos live shorter lives while animals like big cats live ten years longer. 10 extra dreadful years of depression, confusion, and sedation.
Once I graduate law school my plan is to regulate laws that restrict continued breeding of big animals such as the elephant and orca. I wish I could do the same for the other animals but zoos unfortunately have constitutional rights that allow them such cruelty. I only see the animals that live shorter lives than they would in the wild being a case that I would win.
Its absolutely disgusting that people exploit animals thinking they are doing them a favor. They put them in exhibits where kids throw rocks and food at them; and most zoo animals are secretive/private animals, so having them exposed to people screaming at them and constantly watching them is very unforgiving. And when the animals such as the Detroit gorilla tries to escape such cruel confinement, they get shot and killed.
I know 'someone' who, if they had the opportunity, capture a child, keep that child locked in a small room; occasionally throw rocks and food at the child's face; bang on the door randomly; and keep a 24 hour live footage running just to see societies reaction; Then explain that this is how you treat animals who are no different then us; the same way that child is crying, so are animals; the same way that child is afraid and confused, so are animals. I understand 'him'.
Reintroduction, rehabilitation centers, and the extraction of the sources causing the extinction... What's yours? "exploitation for the owners and government's profit"?, or maybe, "museum exhibits for the consumers aesthetic satisfaction"?
No we never should not keep them because of our entertainment we can't take them in a duplicate habitat from were they live they are all ready in risk if we don't catch they can come in more number an will at least be safe they would not get extinct like dodo, seberian tiger, or mamoth.
No we never should not keep them because of our entertainment we can't take them in a duplicate habitat from were they live they are all ready in risk if we don't catch they can come in more number an will at least be safe they would not get extinct like dodo, seberian tiger, or mamoth.
Our global environment is very divided on this issue. For example, there are those who want to protect other species and those who want to profit from them and there are those who have an agenda that rarely involves protective factors e.g land development for agriculture, habitation, industry etc etc. Our planet is slowly but surely becoming over populated by human animals such that decisions are made that adversely affect other species, sometimes other human animals. I agree that other species continue to procreate in zoos and we believe that they only do so if they have accepted their environmental restraints, and some species can develop in sufficient numbers to be returned to their natural environment, however, that does not apply to all endangered species, some predestined to become zoo animals for eternity.
So please consider this, if we were the next endangered species would we like to be kept in a zoo or given the choice would we accept extinction rather than eternal incarceration.....?
A zoo is a place where animals are put in there generally for the sake of entertainment instead of being safe, thus making it an artificial habitat with not a very luxurious lifestyle given to animals. Because of this, i believe that putting endangered animals in zoos will only make them die out faster. Like humans, animals live best in their homeland, having a reason to be there in the first place.
If for the sake of protecting endangered species, I believe that we should put these species in a safe place in the wild or a place where it is not for entertainment that they are there for but where they are there to be protected.
You realize that 'Shamoo the whale' has had to be replaced multiple times because they can't live to their fullest potential. (Not really endangered but just an example) If they were placed in rehabilitation centers that were safe but still free to the animal, they could reproduce
