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Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Don’t expect to have it your way today at some fast-food restaurants across the country.
Workers at the nation’s best known fast-food restaurants in seven cities across America are planning to walk off the job Monday to protest what they say are wages that are too low to live on. In a move orchestrated with the help of powerful labor unions and clergy groups, the workers plan to strike for a day to demand their wages be doubled.
The Washington Post reports that the protests will take place in New York City, Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Kansas City, and Flint, Mich., involving workers at McDonald's, Burger King, Wendy's and KFC. Some employees at stores including Dollar Tree, Macy's and Victoria's Secret are also expected to join the protesters in several cities.
The workers are calling for wages of $15 per hour, more than double New York's current minimum wage of $7.25
Without employees, a company can't very well run. They're not going to get fifteen an hour because in this economy, people'd suck dick to get a job at Mickey Dee's, but the average worker deserves more pay. They're the foundation of the company that hired them. They do all of the pain in the ass menial day-to-day tasks that nobody else up the proverbial foodchain wants to do. I'm not saying they should be treated like royalty or have outrageous salaries, but fifteen bucks an hour isn't outrageous by any means.
I am feeling defeated here. And not because I regard the arguments against my position as more valid than mine, but because the elitist attitude is just so rampant.
No one wants to speak up for workers who are underpaid. It seems that for SO many people, feeling good about their station in life depends on an ability to regard others as more lowly and less deserving.
Yes, it's still a freemarket but, your making it a tad less free. They can, they'll have to lay off some peope though and ONLY hire people that will be very good at their job. You know why Detroit lost so many of it's jobs? Unions kept demanding higher and higher pay so the companies exported jobs to cheeper countries.
I think it would be cool if people realized that since they are doing the lionshare of the work they ought to be paid fairly. The desire to make a killing off of other peoples labor needs to be seen for what it is and people need to recognize their value, and refuse to work for companies that won't. And this bullshit about unskilled labor, to learn how to do a job well is a skill, and hard work should pay well.
Maybe they shouldn't walk off but instead work at a 7.25/hr pace :)
I have had all sorts of different jobs and fast food work is demanding in it's own way. Just because a job is not intellectually demanding doesn't mean it should be extremely low pay. Where the fuck does this idea come from?
I had to go to college and learn. If I worked hard to gain knowledge that would make it possible for me to do a job that other people can't do, why should I not be paid more? Why not quadruple the fast food wages? That way there will be no incentive to go to school and learn because you can work at McDonalds for the same amount.
And you think this is necessarily superior to learning elsewhere?
Well, you don't go into debt learning skills at McDonalds.
Who is saying that hard to find talent shouldn't demand a higer wage than easy to find talent?
Why should easy to find talent have a huge pay increase when they still only have easy to find talent?
If they could, they should. Businesses should pay the highest wages possible.
Maybe.
The incentive to learn should be curiosity, not fear of having to work for companies that treat their employees like shit
Now you are being ridiculous. When you don't bring anything to the table you aren't being treated like shit, you are being compensated for what you have, and it is close to nothing, so you get close to nothing.
Well, you don't go into debt learning skills at McDonalds.
We live in a debt based society. Maybe if mcdonalds paid more, more bright students that don't think going into debt is a good idea could work their way through college.
Why should easy to find talent have a huge pay increase when they still only have easy to find talent?
Because they are being grossly underpaid to begin with.
Now you are being ridiculous. When you don't bring anything to the table you aren't being treated like shit, you are being compensated for what you have, and it is close to nothing, so you get close to nothing.
Without these people that you imply "bring nothing to the table" Mcdonalds would be out of business in a day.
We live in a debt based society. Maybe if mcdonalds paid more, more bright students that don't think going into debt is a good idea could work their way through college.
No, that's how it works now. Raising the wages will make college worthless.
Because they are being grossly underpaid to begin with.
If that is the case, maybe they should find a better job. What a strange concept.
Without these people that you imply "bring nothing to the table" Mcdonalds would be out of business in a day.
No, McDonald's just has to say "here is money for showing up and handing out food". The crybabies who quit will be quickly replaced because they have nothing to bring to the table.
Out earning others is the only good reason you see for going to college? Sad.
If that is the case, maybe they should find a better job. What a strange concept.
And why shouldn't they do what they can to improve conditions where they are?
No, McDonald's just has to say "here is money for showing up and handing out food". The crybabies who quit will be quickly replaced because they have nothing to bring to the table.
You are just trying to downtalk manual labor as if it's not as demanding as other kinds of labor. I bet if you worked at a busy Mcdonalds you would change your tune. Vying for more pay doesn't make one a crybaby. The fact that there are a multitude of people willing to work for companies that underpay their employees doesn't change this.
Out earning others is the only good reason you see for going to college? Sad.
"Spend money to make money".
And why shouldn't they do what they can to improve conditions where they are?
You are the one who refuses to discuss other options. I just think it is weird that all of a sudden every single person is deserving of double pay.
You are just trying to downtalk manual labor as if it's not as demanding as other kinds of labor. I bet if you worked at a busy Mcdonalds you would change your tune. Vying for more pay doesn't make one a crybaby. The fact that there are a multitude of people willing to work for companies that underpay their employees doesn't change this.
Woah woah woah. My response was to the losers who quit to show that McDonalds can't survive without them. Those guys would then be crybabies.
I remember the time I told my employer that I needed 5$ more an hour if they wanted me to stay. I highly recommend that people grow a pair and demand a fair wage for the amount of work they do in consideration for how much revenue they bring in.
They gave me the raise. I was really expecting them to try their luck hiring someone new. As it turns out.... standing up for what you are worth is respected by good employers.
Seriously, It would be awesome to watch what would happen if Mcdonalds just agreed to pay 15$/hr to it's employees. The stores would shine, the service would be excellent, and everyone would learn that paying the least amount possible to your employees is a lame way to run a company.
Even if employee service increases for the better the local business will lose profit that they should be using to improve upon their products. Paying the employees more will not always grant the company better services. This is why the product is of much importance.
If the minimum wage had kept pace with its relative high in the late 1960s, it would now be more than $10 an hour when adjusted for inflation, according to the National Employment Law Project.
The minimum wage of $1.60 an hour in 1968 would be $10.74 in 2013 when adjusted for inflation. Proof below.
Prejudice upon fast-food workers that they are lack of professional skills is perhaps the very barricade which keeps us from recognizing their efforts. It is never easy to encounter every different customer with unconditional smile. We need to compensate for their huge contribution to our convenience.
If people refuse to work for companies that don't pay them equitably considering the amount of profit the company makes on a daily basis, these companies will be forced to become better employers and the quality of service will go up because employees will value their position more. If the people at the top want top be stingy with those doing most of the work...fuck em.
Each McDonald's is locally owned but nationally directed by corporate, so most of the profit is localized. Corporate really makes profit on franchise fees and what not. There is not as much money as you think.
If these people want to earn more money, they have to strive for self betterment and obtain more skills and knowledge. These positions don't require many skills, so any increase in wages will result other people accepting lower wages.
There could be more than you think. No one has numbers so this is a dead end
I can tell you from experience that 4 well paid employees, will outperform 8 employees, that you pay as little as they will tolerate. 4 X 16$/hr employees > 8 X 8$/hr employees
If these people want to earn more money, they have to strive for self betterment and obtain more skills and knowledge.
The job does not need to be an inherently undignified position as you and so many others propose.
These positions don't require many skills, so any increase in wages will result other people accepting lower wages.
I can only tell you that I think the disparity of pay is (I strongly suspect, because again we've got no numbers here) greater than I would consider reasonable. I don't think positions that don't require many skills should be necessarily low pay. I think the work output and stress on the body should be considered. People who work hard should be paid well period. I am not saying "let's legally enforce this" I am saying I would prefer the ethic to be "pay your employees as much as possible"
I can you tell you from experience that 4 well paid employees don't outperform 8 employees. It's all about the DMVP.
There is nothing wrong with working at McDonald's.
The supply and demand of a job is a more determining factor of pay than skills. How does ethics come into play? It is about sound economics, and doubling the salary is really bad economics.
I can you tell you from experience that 4 well paid employees don't outperform 8 employees. It's all about the DMVP.
I'd rather have one employee who knows they are worth 30$/hr than 4 who think 7.50/hr is a fair exchange for their time.
There is nothing wrong with working at McDonald's.
Yes there is. The company can afford to pay a decent wage and prefers not to.
The supply and demand of a job is a more determining factor of pay than skills.
Agreed. People need to pick their heads up, realize their worth, and help diminish the supply of cheap labor
How does ethics come into play? It is about sound economics, and doubling the salary is really bad economics.
Examples of unethical behavior that can be defended as being just good economics are not hard to find. There IS A REASON why there are laws against price gouging (not that I think there should be), and it is the same reason businesses shouldn't operate from a "let's pay the lowlies as little as we can" philosophy.
Being worth $30 an hour is earned, not some entitlement.
Corporate McDonald's doesn't own many or any of the restraunts, they are locally owned national chain.
Dimishing cheap labor is very unwise considering most jobs require experience in the workplace before they earn more income.
It is not unethical and not defended as bad economics. It is unsound economics. Business model will not long and you will be out of business in no time.
If they are forced to raise wages to $15 per hour, they will fire all the people who made it happen and hire people who are actually worth $15 dollars per hour.
And then yes, the quality of service would rise, along with the prices.
Unless we can talk numbers concerning what the average profit is for a store, you can't reasonably argue that employees aren't already worth 15$/hr. I'm confident that in busy stores, they are easily worth that. As far as prices needing to be raised, I doubt this would be necessary, upper management just needs to stop being so stingy and pay their employees what they can afford to instead of keeping more than their fair share to themselves.
I see people build houses for $15/hr. Building burgers, even well, isn't worth that much. No matter how busy a person is, it's productivity that matters.
There are low skill jobs that pay more than fast food. If people don't like their pay at a low productivity job, they can go somewhere else.
Worth is not an objective value, neither is what you think is a fair share. Markets are cold and unbiased, that's why they are the fairest measure.
BTW are there any McScabs trying to fill in for the strikers?
If they want more money maybe they should try to do a better job... try to be friendlier and not fuck up people's orders. The better employees get more hours, better reviews which means bigger raises and the opportunity for advancement to management.
I know from my experience as an employer that it's better to pay the highest wage you can so the job is desirable. Employees who can't perform up to par should be let go. Those who can shouldn't have to play the fucking waiting game. Good workers deserve a good wage. All else should be let go.
I know from my experience as an employer that it isn't that simple. I hire people at rates based on their experience. I can't afford to hire some 16 year old at a higher rate only to discover they suck and have to go through the long process of written warnings etc that it takes to terminate them. 16 year olds are not supporting families, they're getting their foot in the door of the workforce while attending school and college... if they do a good job they can receive a positive letter of reference from their employer when they graduate.
Bummer for you that you aren't in a right to work state. You should be able to let someone go with or without explaining the reason. They probably don't pay you enough either.
My industry isn't unionized... still, corporate won't allow people to just be terminated willy nilly without considerable documentation because they're afraid of being sued. As for my salary... it's very generous and there's tons of opportunity for advancement for those younger people that want to work hard and do a good job.
It makes me sad how entitled people are, fast-food work doesn't require any special skills. With so many people unemployed, those positions will be filled overnight, walk-offs only work if you will be missed.
Jobs are not paid according to how physically demanding they are. They are paid according to a combination of the actual value of the job, the supply of labor available, and the demand for said labor.
In the fast food industry, the actual value of the labor is the only thing that might merit an increase, given that these companies tend to enjoy generous profit margins. But the fact of the matter is that the supply of labor for this type of work far outstrips the actual demand for labor; thats one of the consequences of the level of employment we have right now.
Also consider that just about every industry employs or makes use of minimum wage workers somewhere along the line. Raising the minimum wage to $15/hour means that, in order to maintain profit margins and keep the shareholders happy, layoffs will be required, and the remaining employees will have to be significantly more productive. This means more unemployment. The other possibility is a significant increase in prices across the board, but that won't fly; it'll mean lost sales, meaning that the layoffs and overworking of the remainder will still be required. Realistically? It will mean more people illegally employed and paid under the table.
When you're doing unskilled work, you really ARE a replaceable cog in a machine. It seems harsh to put it that way, but thats what it is. If you want to be something more than a replaceable cog in the machine, you need to increase your value as an employee and seek employment in a job market that has requirements beyond "show up to work mostly sober."
Not just fast food workers, everyone needs a minimum wage increase. Now I still think 15 is a little high for something you can learn accidentally. I mean honestly my sister was working in a fast food place once, I was there to get her ( a little early) so she called me back to wait. I got tired of waiting and started helping the staff, with orders and cleaning.
Not just fast food workers, everyone needs a minimum wage increase.
It costs so much more for everything these days....Businesses that can't pay their employees well should close up shop.
It depends on the place of course but fast food work can be quite demanding. Why is it so hard for people to realize that people who work hard deserve to be paid well?
They typically like to run at the mouth about how only "highly skilled" people deserve good pay. The day may very well come for them however when their skills are no longer in demand, and then they will see that in some ways they are unskilled too. I suppose then they'll drop their elitist attitude.
I am fine with people with harder to find talent (be it developed in college or elsewhere) fetching higher than average wages, but I have a problem with the idea that just because certain jobs are labeled "unskilled labor" that it's justified to pay them a shamefully low salary. For example digging ditches is ordinarily considered unskilled labor, but take your average college educated IT professional and ask them to dig a ditch, and watch how unskilled they prove themselves to be. To be able to do hard labor well takes years of training and is actually an increasingly rare skill. Difficult work deserves premium pay whether the difficulty is physical or mental.
The reason they are paid shamefully low salaries is because they encourage people who don't need money as much to work there, and in turn encourage people who need money more to work better places.
Think about this, if you could spend 10 grand on college to make 20 an hour, or spend nothing on highschool to make 5 dollars less would you really put in the time and effort?
Well actually there's no need for a personal answer, because I'm sure the lazy populace would go with the path that required less work.
What we appear to be arguing over though, is the minimum wage limit. I too agree it needs to be raised (since the standard of living since it was created has raised) but i think 15 is pushing it for such an unskilled position that I'm sure anyone who's still in highschool could perform.
The reason they are paid shamefully low salaries is because they encourage people who don't need money as much to work there, and in turn encourage people who need money more to work better places.
Well I think Mcdonalds should change their business model and make it a better place to work. Expect more from their employees, pay them significantly more, and hire less of them. To work at Mcdonald's should not be broadly regarded as undignified.
Think about this, if you could spend 10 grand on college to make 20 an hour, or spend nothing on highschool to make 5 dollars less would you really put in the time and effort?
Well actually there's no need for a personal answer, because I'm sure the lazy populace would go with the path that required less work.
It's debateable that one path is definately more work than the other, it's just often assumed that academic learning deserves more respect than other kinds of learning. Not to discount the value of academics, but I have a problem with that.
What we appear to be arguing over though, is the minimum wage limit. I too agree it needs to be raised (since the standard of living since it was created has raised)
Actually I don't think there should be a minimum wage. I could create a position in my company tomorrow for someone who doesn't need alot of money and perhaps is in school. I just need someone to work a very slow front counter, but I couldn't jusify paying even minimum wage because the workload is so minimal. I could see a college student sitting there mostly doing schoolwork and every so often dealing with a walkin customer and making a few bucks. But as a business owner, this isn't an option for me because of minimum wage laws. It should be up to the employee to decide what they find to be an acceptable wage, and up to the business what they are willing to pay. Further, I think that companies who CAN afford to pay a good wage for the positions they have, SHOULD pay a good wage for these positions.
but i think 15 is pushing it for such an unskilled position that I'm sure anyone who's still in highschool could perform.
Mcdonald's philosophy seems to favor having a multitude of inefficient employees running around as opposed to a smaller well paid efficient team. My opinion is that everyone would like Mcdonalds better if they adjusted their policies to favor the latter instead. As an industry leader, a shift like this would make a cool statement that people could learn from.
To work at Mcdonald's should not be broadly regarded as undignified.
This seems like an unnecessary fight, it's deemed as such because it already is. Maybe not disrespectful per-say but it's an easy job, that doesn't require many skills, so they don't even need to pay their employees better. It's a place everyone expects low quality food quickly, to expect more would be absurd.
Not to discount the value of academics, but I have a problem with that.
I would not discredit other learning styles either, but the general consensus wants less for more, if they can do less and get paid more than those who do more they'll take it. Then we won't have anyone building planes, and discovering what's in the depths of the ocean because everyone's content with how high fast food places pay. Obviouslly some people will still follow what they love, and go into those fields but I suspect a majority are in those fields because of the money.
Actually I don't think there should be a minimum wage.
Just to keep this paragraph from being exceptionally long, I only quoted the first sentence. Of that (whole paragraph) we agree.
Mcdonald's philosophy seems to favor having a multitude of inefficient employees running around as opposed to a smaller well paid efficient team. My opinion is that everyone would like Mcdonalds better if they adjusted their policies to favor the latter instead.
Well sure, but then what of those people who got cast out because they went with smaller and more efficient? This would be a good alternative if they could higher people with no minimum wage like you proposed earlier, but since they can't they'd be just turning people to the street with no money at all, rather than very low pay.
We have a capitalist economy. In capitalism, market forces, eg. supply and demand, dictate prices. This is not limited to consumer goods, but also to wages.
You aren't paid according to how hard you work in any sector. You are paid at a rate that is largely dictated by the comparative supply of and demand for labor of that kind. Unskilled labor gets little pay because anybody can do it. Professions that require a significant amount of training have a far more limited pool of labor to draw from.
You can hate it and rail against it, but that's just how it is. In a capitalist society, nobody gets ahead without standing on somebody elses shoulders. Unfortunately, it's the best system we've managed to come up with...
Because fast food will end up costing more than grocery store food. If that happens, there will be less demand for fast food and many of the chains will go away...it will have the opposite affect on grocery items which the higher demand will drive higher prices ultimately leading people back to fast food which will have fewer choices and less competition so the fast food prices will be artificially high.
Increasing the minimum wage will just cause unemployment and higher prices. No one would really benefit so no, workers should be paid based on their skill level and what they produce.
I don't think there should be a minimum wage, but I think people should be more comfortable insisting on pay increases. If you are getting paid poorly...by all means...work poorly.
I am actually going through that at my job and had to hold in my anger. I am about to quit it soon because another door is opening because of a better job.
Right. you should never just walk out and say "pay me better or I'm not coming back" you should say before hand that you need to make at least X$ or you will be moving on at the first opportunity.
The amount the employer can afford is based on the production of the employee. In this case, the employees are probably being paid even more than this value simply because of the minimum wage.
They can't! I'm not sure why the employees who went on strike thought they could get away with $15/hr. They work what are supposed to be entry-level jobs and expect to be paid differently? Give me a break!
The company will not want to lose money. Either the company deals with it and takes the hit, they hire less workers, they raise prices. 2 of those 3 options don't look great for the consumer.
Paying your employees a fair wage doesn't prevent you from planning ahead, and saving or getting insurance to cover unforseen expenses.
Ok, so now more money needs to go to employees and to insurance. Why did the person start the business again?
Only one. I should correct the statement you were reponding to here...
The coddled person is the one who makes [excessive] money off of someone else's labor.
Ok, I agree with the excessive part. Maybe the big corporations have forgotten how much it takes for normal people to survive. That probably did hurt the economy.
Ok, so now more money needs to go to employees and to insurance. Why did the person start the business again?
Well if it's not part of the business plan to pay employees enough to live above the poverty level, perhaps they need to change their businees plan or go out of business.
This doesn't sound practical. So, if you want to risk your well being and start a business, the first person who should think about paying is somebody else. If on the other hand you are simply willing to show up and do stuff without staking anything on the success of your work the first person you should think of paying is yourself. Now you have established a mindset that has to be completely different. I hope it is obvious why there is a problem.
It's not practical....that is, if your business is really just a pyramid scheme in disguise. Perhaps I can't decipher the rest of your argument because I am not a college grad :/
There are 2 groups of people. Group A and group B. You want group A to think that they work and should pay themselves first above anyone else. Coincidentally, you are part of group A. You want group B to work and should pay the people in group A first before they pay themselves. So, naturally no one wants to be in group B. Your system breaks quickly.
I don't know what makes you so sure there is no room for improvement in the current system, and I missed your good explanation about why what I have proposed is a bad idea.
This doesn't sound practical. So, if you want to risk you well being and start a business, the first person who should think about paying is somebody else. If on the other hand you are simply willing to show up and do stuff without staking anything on the success of your work the first person you should think of paying is yourself. Now you have established a mindset that has to be completely different. I hope it is obvious why there is a problem.
There are 2 groups of people. Group A and group B. You want group A to think that they work and should pay themselves first above anyone else. Coincidentally, you are part of group A. You want group B to work and should pay the people in group A first before they pay themselves. So, naturally no one wants to be in group B. Your system breaks quickly.
Yeah, they are pretty good arguments, thanks for reposting them without refuting again pointing out that you have nothing. Please tell me why your system works when you have created 2 different thought processes. Why should people behave differently based on whether they are the owner or the worker? I don't see how that can work.
I am happy with how my arguments look next to yours. I can't address those two arguments because they make no sense to me...flat out...and I am not the slightest bit ashamed to admit it. Whether my inability to understand them is more to blame then their extremely poor composition, I will leave for the record to bear.
How does it make sense that when you are a worker it is ok to only look out for yourself, but when you are an owner you are not allowed to look out for yourself at all?
That's funny. I posted my argument. Then I thought to myself. atypican is being such an asshole that he will ignore the big picture and focus on how the wording is slightly off. Then it turns out that you just decided to flat out lie, making me look even better, thanks.
Let me number it and you can point out which you don't actually agree with.
1) Employee does not have a reason to care if owner is successful
2) Employee is allowed to only care if he/she gets paid
3) Owner must make sure that employees are paid lots of money
4) Owner is supposed to care about paying employees before paying self
I fail to see how you haven't been supporting this.
1) Well if it's not part of the business plan to pay employees enough to live above the poverty level, perhaps they need to change their businees plan or go out of business.
So, what you said previously is that the employees should really only care that they get paid enough and that the owner is the one responsible for his own success. You don't actually believe that the employees should care about the owners success.
2) So, what you are saying is that I am right and that the employee should only consider how much they individually deserve.
3) So, you aren't disagreeing with my statement.
4) Right, so the owner is supposed to pay others before himself.
You have provided the exact same thing for 2-4. And you lied about how you really feel for number 1, so I was fully justified in my assessment that your system will fail.
Was I being an asshole? I thought I was just being a tad snarky. I must have read you wrong, I didn't think you were easy to offend.
Snarky is not exactly in my vocabulary. Asshole encompasses a very large group of people in my book.
1) They shouldn't care so much about the owner's success that they disregard their need to make a fair wage.
2) I never said such a thing. You are trying to make it look like I said that to avoid addressing what I actually said. You insist on arguing against the strawman you've created and continue to try propping up
3) I mean this, as opposed to paying the least possible.
4) Actually...upon further consideration...yes owners should pay others before themselves. From vendors to employees, everyone should get paid before the owner. Suppose I hire someone to help me fill an order for a client, and the client fails to pay me, it will be me that takes the hit, and not the employee I hired. It's called being ethical. I never lied about how I really feel about number 1 I had to clear up your wild, poorly founded assumptions about how I feel. I don't think an employee should be concerned about how well their boss is doing financially unless it's clear that the boss also cares about them. Businesses should aim for win-win relationships not predatory relationships.
Snarky is not exactly in my vocabulary. Asshole encompasses a very large group of people in my book.
Ok I'll try not to use that word again while debating with you :/ lol
You should add bosses who are more concerned with what they can get from their employees than providing good jobs to them to that list in your book.
So, you are saying that employees should take as much as they think they deserve. You are also saying that owners should give as much as other people deserve. These are fundamentally opposed to each other. So, you want people to behave differently in different circumstances.
You can use snarky all you want, just don't get "offended" when someone calls you an asshole.
And think about...where are those other workers going to go? I mean they are already near the bottom of the barrel working at fast food joints. Do they honestly have any more options?
People willing and able to work can always find work . Workers can say as they walk..."Shitty jobs are easy to find, why should I be loyal to this one!"
For small construction jobs this is acceptable :l. They are not working any heavy machinery just radial saws, hammers nails basic stuff.
If you are an extreme beginner. You may have to brush up on your social skills but if you know what you are doing and accept less than 25$ per hour you are selling yourself seriously short.
Cuz it's so hard to work in a fast food joint. It's only long and boring hours ,but not hard.
It depends on the place really. I've seen places where the workers are busting ass, and I've seen places where everyone looks like they are [offensive term removed]
Now being an Independent Contractor that has to go from door to door all day ON FOOT with a high chance of not even making money that day, is hard.
I have done both and if the pay was the same, I would prefer working as an independent contractor. There is something especially taxing about working in a busy fast food restaurant. It may have something to do with the unlikelihood of meaningful advancement even if you are good.
As an independent contractor, all you need to do is a few highly visible good jobs and be easy to talk to, and you are on your way.
If you are an extreme beginner. You may have to brush up on your social skills but if you know what you are doing and accept less than 25$ per hour you are selling yourself seriously short.
25$/hr for the simple work I was doing? 0.0 I mean playing video games on the 2nd hardest difficulty is tougher than the small construction work that I was doing lol
It depends on the place really. I've seen places where the workers are busting ass, and I've seen places where everyone looks like they are [offensive term removed]
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As an independent contractor, all you need to do is a few highly visible good jobs and be easy to talk to, and you are on your way.
Oh, so that's why I sucked at that job Lol. Well mostly because the area I worked in was still full of racist folk. :/
The country wouldn't go broke if upper management took a pay cut.
Try frequenting restaurants that treat their employees better. It's a much better experience. If there wasn't so much money being funneled away by CEO's and upper management, it would be easy for a fast food restaurant like Mcdonalds to pay the employees 20$/hr. there would not need to be a price increase and the atmosphere would be way better.
There are more factors to it then just CEOs taking pay cuts. A lot of red tape to go through. Sadly, it will never happen.
Not to mention what about the people that is out there that have skill? Electricians, truck drivers, engineers, etc should make way more then then average McDonald's worker.
It would need a massive overhaul, not just pay cuts for upper management.
I'm tired of hearing about how people should be paid for how hard they work. I worked fast food, and it was stressful, but it wasn't all that productive. More productive jobs pay better. Fast food is easy.
If I owned a fast food joint and I was forced to raise my wages. Most of my current employees would be out on their asses so that I could hire people who are worth the pay.
Absolutely not. Every time an employer raises pay, he has to raise prices. He also has to lower hours or lay workers off, because there's less money from customers. Then shipping costs would go up. Then fuel costs. In the end, no body benefits.
No, it's called a free market. I believe in labor laws but, this is just bullshit. McDonals would then have to fire half their staff and they would have to raise the price for fastfood.
