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Should gays have separate changing rooms?
Gays and lesbians should have their own separate changing rooms in public places such as gyms and sporting facilities generally. It it noticed that gay men seem to linger in the changing area more than most everyone else and their presence makes some members uncomfortable. I'm sure the same goes for females.
I feel very uncomfortable when there is a gay in the locker room with me. I see him look at other men in the locker room and it gives me the creeps. I sewer he will never look at me in the locker room. I have my locker far away from his.
There's more straights than gays in are locker room so the gay one should have to go. It's not just me that don't want him in the locker room but most don't want him in our locker room.
Um, provide a source for that, and we can see. But really, from what I've seen, gay people don't care about you in the locker room. And if you are uncomfortable, there are already private places (bathroom stalls, etc.) in which you can go if you feel like you may be violated. But really. Gay people aren't as in to you as you think.
Provide what source? Well from what I seen and what other's in the locker room seen is that he has a staring problem. There is a strange thing he does too is he puts his hand over his penis when he is talking to someone. Most people are uncomfortable with him in there.
Right... most people are uncomfortable. What makes you think a gay person wouldn't be uncomfortable with someone looking at them, the same way you are? How do you deal with that problem?
If only we had some form of individualized privacy for those who were uncomfortable. Like bathroom stalls.
Creating a new locker room doesn't solve any problems. It just makes you feel better.
This is how life works. The bigger party win's and the little party has to go. It's not right for the greater numbers in the locker room to feel uncomfortable just because a gay can't stop staring at people in the locker room.
This is how life works. The bigger party win's and the little party has to go.
That is absolutely not the case, and that is a clear example of ignorance, bigotry, and highly un-American values. One of the key points of America, at least, is that minorities get representation.
If that's what you believe, why do you speak English? A bigger party on this planet speaks Spanish, and an even bigger party speaks Mandarin. Guess you have to go.
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That was a pretty shameless example of a way of thinking that is really not ok.
This is how life works. The bigger party win's and the little party has to go. It's not right for the greater numbers in the locker room to feel uncomfortable just because a gay can't stop staring at people in the locker room.
First, you assume you are in the greater number based on a very small sample size.
Second, you assume that all homosexuals, or even most, are going to be staring lustfully at everyone around them. This seems to imply that you think homosexuals are incapable of having any manner of restarting, which makes me question your thoughts on the nature of human sexuality in general.
Third, life is not inherently democratic. In fact, much in life does not work based on such democratic principles, and quite often smaller groups end up with more power than the bigger group in question.
That's my point: Your "evidence" is your personal experience within one small group in one small location. That's called anecdotal evidence, and isn't particularly legitimate when trying to make claims that apply to larger groups.
Is it unreasonable to assume that if you did a quantitative study on whether heterosexual men feel perturbed or not when scrutinized, while being stark naked, by homosexual men, you would find that most do find it unsettling?
Ask yourself: Why is it that most women would feel unsettled by a man--stranger--viewing their nether regions? Then, apply that to the anecdote in question.
Doing your usual pro Gay anything. Do you think men would be into watching women in the dressing room? Of course they would and the same for Gays! Denying the obvious as always.
Since I believe no one should know who is or is not Gay, separate rooms would be a waste of money. Gays should learn some respect if they are looking at other men.
This is a completely irrelevant point. Gay people could feel just as uncomfortable as straight people. Therefor, separate changing rooms solves nothing. The solution I have presented, an option for individualized privacy, would certainly make whoever wanted to feel more comfortable the ability to feel more comfortable.
Also, I'm a little confused by your argument. You seem to say that it is self-evident that gays would look at other people of the same gender, because straight people would do the same. But then you say that gays should 'learn some respect.' What are you arguing?
I say there should be no separate changing rooms because of the cost, and Gays should be told to show respect to others in the dressing rooms. NO ONE should be flaunting their sexuality on others.
We have had enough fixation with Gays for decades now and it is time to stop talking about all the abnormal sexual orientations out there and get on with life.
NO ONE should be flaunting their sexuality on others.
I agree. My point was... who's to say that gay people aren't already doing it? My original argument was responding to the premise that all gay people in locker rooms are constantly looking for sex. You made that argument as well, but then presented the idea that this doesn't have to happen if gay people had some self-control. Who's to say they don't already have this self-control?
The people commenting said they have been stared at in locker rooms so OBVIOUSLY some gays have no respect. They need to be told to show some respect just as women tell men not to oggle them. Can you grasp such a simple point or must you always get on your PC bully pulpit and excuse Gays?
Having a seperate room for gays is not going to solve anything. That would be a room full of gay people who will be looking at eachother. It would be no different then having them with us straights.
I aready said that having different rooms is not the answer. It would cost tax payers or private businesses much more for duplicate rooms. All that has to be done is tell Gays to quit eye balling men in the locker rooms.
No one said all Gay men look at men in the locker rooms. Don't tell me you are another politically correct zombie who does the knee jerk defensive reaction against anyone who dares mentions Gays and their behaviors.
I want you to repeat 100 times, I wil treat all people equally the same and will not put Gays on a pedestal and protect them from other's slanders more so than I will protect Christians, or other groups from slander.
Ok then make them gays and Christians equal. And there is a reason we took God out of public schools. By having creationism in public schools that meant the government was choosing a religion that was correct. It would be totally different if they were private schools. Also, your words were.
Tell gays to stop eye balling other straight men.
That meant that you were referring to all gays. You should have instead said.
Ask this certain man to stop looking at me while we are in the locker room.
We just speak English we are not politically correct.
You say the same mindess anti religious expression rants that most Liberals spew. You use words like Government forcing a religion on the people.
With the lie of separation of church and state(no where in the constitution), it is GOVERNMENT FORCING THE PEOPLE TO CENSOR ANY PRAYER A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE DECIDED THEY MIGHT WANT!
No community is forced to have a prayer or not have a prayer. IT'S CALLED FREEDOM!
It's amazing how anti religious expression bigots censor the very mention of God in public schools but have no problem with our very impressionable kids being exposed to Gay awareness propaganda. Such hypocrites!
SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IS TO PROTECT THE CHURCH OF ANY AND ALL GOVERNMENT CONTROL! SOMETHING THAT THE CONSERVATIVES VOTED FOR! YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT IF YOU DISLIKE SEPERATION OF CHURCH OF STATE BECUASE THEN THE STATE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO WHATEVER REGULATIONS AGAINST THE CHURCH! GOD FUCKING DAMMIT YOUR ARGUEMENTS ARE STUPID! I GO TO A PUBLIC SCHOOL THAT HAS A PRAYER GROUP. EVERY FUCKING DAY THEY GO AROUND THE USA FLAG POLE AND PRAY BEFORE SCHOOL! THEN THE MUSLIMS DO THE SAME! SAME WITH EVERY OTHER RELIGION! PRAYER IS ALLOWED IN SCHOOL! YOU DONT KNOW SHIT!!!
Sorry, I got very angry at the ignorance you have and the lies you believe about the liberal party. Yes there is some that wish that God wouldn't be even mentioned in school, but there are very few that think that way...
Also I looked at the constitution and the first amendment states
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
For us Agnostics or Atheists: Meaning the government cannot say what religion is correct and by having Public Schools teach Christianity or any other religion, They would be choosing a religion that is correct.
For the Religious: Meaning that the government cannot make laws against the practice of any religion.
You really need to research your claims before ranting... It makes you look stupid when you don't.
You really need to understand the english language!
The free exercise thereof would be a community having the free exercise of choosing to have a prayer.
The community's freedom to choose a prayer (NOT FORCED ON ALL SCHOOLS) is not Government establishing a religion. It's a community of the people who vote to have a school prayer. You don't like the majority's vote, go to a different school if you are so intollerant to the very mention of a prayer.
You are the young ignorant generation conditioned to twist the constitution to fit the anti God bigoted Left's definition.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...
That means:
1. Government cannot choose a religion to be correct.
-This means that no teaching of any religious beliefs (unless it is for learning cultures) in schools.
2. Government cannot ban the practice or exercise of any religion.
You are the one who needs to learn English. I read over my comments a few times and look up words in the dictionary to make sure that I am correct. Your bending the use of 'free exercise'. At my school the religious go around the flag pole and pray. Enforcing a person to god(s) that they don't believe exist is very much so a large problem. Would you enjoy being forced to pray to Allah? Or to Buddah? Your religion strictly states not to pray or worship or believe in other gods. Also to take out your majority rule belief. If the majority rules and they ban guns (which I am not for) then go to another country!
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
Do you want me to give you the definition of every exact word on the statement?
Congress= The national legislative of a country.
Shall= Expressing an instruction or command.
Make= Compose, Prepare, or Draw Up.
No= Not any.
Law= Rules or instructions of a country.
Respecting= Deep admiration of someone or something.
An= Any single.
Establishment= The action of establishing something.
Of= The relationship between a part and a whole.
Religion= The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially in god(s)
Or= Forming nouns denoting a state or condition.
Prohibiting= Formally forbid by law.
The= Denoting one or more people or things already mentioned or assumed to be common knowledge.
Free= Not under the control or in the power of another.
Exercise= The use of a faculty, right, or process.
Thereof= Of the thing just mentioned.
I don't think it gets much clearer that you are either A. Way wrong. B. Don't speak English. Or C. Both (The most likely).
Did you know that our Congress starts every single day with a prayer? Can you grasp what that means? Since the time our constitution was wrtten, Congress has said a prayer each day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So you tell me in all your knowledge, what does that tell you to the intent of our Constitution in regards to religious expression?
It tells a thinking person that the intent of the Constitution was NOT to censor prayers from public buildings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I'm sure since you know more than our entire Congress and the words of the Consitution, you will simply say that Congress is wrong. LOLOLOLOL, DENIAL?
Did you know that our Congress starts every single day with a prayer? Can you grasp what that means? Since the time our constitution was wrtten, Congress has said a prayer each day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Interesting, but I don't see what that has to do with anything. Working in congress is a job. Something that you have the option not to do. School is something you have to do because it is illegal not to.
So you tell me in all your knowledge, what does that tell you to the intent of our Constitution in regards to religious expression?
The constitution supports religious expression, but enforcing religion(s) or choosing a national religion is against the constitution. The constitution makes it very clear that religion is to be left untouched and free to do its thing. Wether it be Islam, Christianity, Buddism, Hinduism. They all have the right to exercise their religion. I don't see why a community voted prayer needs to be taken place. When all of the religious can gather around and pray. When I was religious I did this every day with my religious group without interruption by anyone or anything. But don't enforce those who don't believe in that religion (that, meaning Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc) to have to pray for that religion.
It tells a thinking person that the intent of the Constitution was NOT to censor prayers from public buildings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They never have censored prayers from public buildings, doing so would be unconstitutional.
But I'm sure since you know more than our entire Congress and the words of the Consitution, you will simply say that Congress is wrong. LOLOLOLOL, DENIAL?
I don't know more than the Congess, nor the words of the constitution. I'm simply stating what the constitution clear says.
Will you please read through my entire argument, for my last two arguments. I feel as if you attack one part and leave out the rest which shoots down your argument... Until you respond to my entire argument I see no reason to debate you.
Also may you please argue my entire statement and don't ignore it, I clearly showed you what the constitution says and you seem to not care and continue with your arguement. If you don't argue my entire arguement and continue ranting on about something that I clearly shot down. Then I have no reason debating you because your too stubborn to think maybe I am wrong. Debate me when you decide to read my whole arguement. But until then, good night.
Fixing it? LOL, look around you! How's life where you live? How are the wefare role numbers? If you actully think the Left is fixing our constitution, what can I say, you are brainwashed.
Strippng our constitutional freedoms is destroying this nation, not fixing it.
In life were I live it's the liberals who are the good Samaritans. We have some extremely wealthy conservatives that would walk right over you if you fell down... Literally.
Sir YOU are stripping of us of our constitutional freedoms. As seen when we debated the first amendment. I literally gave you the definition of every word. It pointed obviously that the government is not to choose a national religion or favor another religion more than others.
Are you on drugs because you keep saying the same lie. For the last time..... Government is to stay out of censoring our freedom of religious expression as the Constitution says. When a community of people chooses to have a school prayer, THAT IS NOT OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FORCING SOME NATIONAL RELIGION!
No community is forced to have a prayer! It is a freely chosen thing by the people of that community. This is the last post to you trying to explain common sense.
You sound exacty like ideolog Liberals who refuse to admit the intent of the constitution and twist it's meaning.
Yes I read the definition MANY TIMES BEFORE YOU. Everytime I read it, it says the same thing. Government shall not establish a national religion, and government shall not infringe on the free exercise of religious expression.
How dense can you be? A community could choose a different religious prayer if the majority of people wanted it. We coud have many different religious prayers around the country but I'm sure most would be of our Christian heritage with the majority of Americans calling themselves Christians. So tell me how the Government is estblishing a national religion?
This is why the GOP wants school choice, so that closed minded bigots could go to a school that says no prayer if it so offends them.
Good. Simple common sense. Keep away from them, and if you marry and have children be diligent to keep them away from touching or teaching your children. They make life cheap by making their bodies cheap, using them for playtoys with no concept of doing right or doing wrong. They want your mind if they can't get your body, they want you to make them feel better by telling them they are normal when you KNOW they are creepy and repulsive.
I think that really you're just mad because the Gay guy is not looking at you--and you see him checking out other dudes so you're all like "What's the matter with me that he doesn't look at me?" So you come one here and post an "anti-Gay" rant, when really what you'd like is for him to check ya out, and move a few lockers closer.
Hey--come on, it's OK. You can tell us. It's cool, we won't tell.
See, they're so deluded wit their false beliefs in God that they use him, and uise their faith as a sort of crutch. So much so, in fact, that they're often unable to handle disputes or even differences of opinion in a calm and rational manner. So what do they do? LOL--run to their invisible friend sky god and say "You're Evil!! You're going to Hell!"
Good answer. That guy is another pervert to stay away from, and keep your children away from if you ever have children...probably a good idea to keep your pets away from him too.
If I caught you talking to my child like this, I might lose my composure and break your face. You would be swallowing your teeth or spitting them out if you have any teeth left in your mouth after you have practiced being an idiot all your life. Most people like you have lost a lot of teeth...idiots who don't deserve to have teeth from God.
LOL. When I was in jail, there were always these little punk kids, who would yell and threaten and act tough when they were safely locked in their cells. So they would yell out behind their windows.
We used to say these little bitches had "window muscles."
So, what I am saying now, to you, is that you have what we call "internet muscles." Not to be taken seriously. Break my face? Uh-huh. I'm pretty sure I could put your head through a wall in a manner of seconds. And if I ever got you on the ice, well, let us just say it would go very badly for you.
Typical, you, of guys who call themselves Saints. they're really angry little people. With small lives.
No I'm not talking to you. I read around the first four words of your posts because I have seen enough to know that you are so dirty that I want none of your pollution in the chambers of my thoughts. You are a bully, and I have never backed down from a bully and never will. You are on your way to Hell, just a proud brave fool. I'm telling you the truth because I don't want you to burn in Hell forever, but if you want to be the way you are and be proud of yourself, then go ahead and find out for yourself that God justifies the existence of sinners by the fire of Hell from which the smoke of their torments will rise forever.
Again, I am not reading your posts. If you think I am, it's only because your perverted character is simple, twisted in evil, and I can talk about you easily and you will think that I am actually reading your filth. You feel that way because God is pointing His finger at you, holding Himself back from executing you and you are practically begging Him to pull the trigger and if you keep up your stinking arrogance He surely will oblige your ignorance, punk.
Good for you. Don't buy into the lies of what good people they are. They are perverts and they want your mind to be twisted to support them or join them, to be afraid to say what they are doing is creepy.
So good to hear a young person speak up and be honest about the creepiness of perverts. Don't compromise for them, they have perverted sexual feelings and desires and they do dirty things which make them miserable people who spend their lives trying to convince themselves that they are ok.......and don't do anything that might land you in prison because they will rape you there. Good you can have enough space to stay away from the pervert in the locker room...it's not like that in prison....and no, I have never been in prison but it's no secret what goes on in those places.
You truly reveal your ignorance and fascism by calling anybody who has different sexual preferences than you a "pervert."
BTW: are you a a Christian? You should go over to the religion thread. I got some good stuff over there about the perversity of Christianity. The Bible. Jesus. And even St. Paul. (Jeez, yet another dude who's called "saint" but is really most unworthy of that title.) LOL.
I think you'd like some of the links I provided about Jesus being gay.
I see that you actually tried to frame some intelligent thoughts in the first five words of your posts, but I also see that it is nothing but a brainless bully attack. Ignorance is when you refuse to admit that you deserve to die and burn in Hell as a sinner, and you refuse to admit God has the right to rule over and against you. Fools are ignorant, fool. You are a pervert who should not be allowed around children. The last I remember reading your posts, you were trying to encourage a child to engage in homosexual actions. You should be in jail for CSC toward a minor. If you talked to my child in my presence the way you talked to that child, like I said before I would probably lose my composure and your hospitalization would be enough for you to remain out of jail at least long enough to recover enough health so they could put you in jail where you belong.
I don't read your posts after I saw you telling a child that he should expose himself to a homosexual in his changing room. You should be in jail for criminal sexual conduct toward a minor. I did notice what I have often seen you do, a stupid LOL at the end of your post as if your stupid big mouth laugh makes you right and powerful. You are on your way to Hell and need to get saved from it. Prove me wrong.
I never read more than a few words of anything you write because you are too perverted, too foul mouthed, to nasty and dirty. I don't know what happened to you so that you learned to be such a nasty person....I'm guessing it was an abusive or absent father.....but it's no excuse for your nastiness, and certainly no excuse for the perverted way you told a minor to familiarize himself with sodomite perverts. You are a pervert, a dog who cares nothing more about a body than how it can be used. You probably carry herpes and HPIV, the most common and often unnoticeable STD's, and there's a pretty good likelihood that you carry hepatitis C, or AIDS, both of which can go unnoticed for well over ten years and both of which cannot be quarantined by contraceptives..... and by the way I have seen you talk and act in the two or three of your posts that I have read, if I caught you looking at my child it would take a lot of restraint to keep me from hurting you.
LOL. you religious zealots are all the same--you run to your invisible friend that you call god and your fictional bible and your fictional hell. tell all of us that we're gonna burn in hell. you sound like a little kid. you sound weak. and you sound scared. which is why most people feel the need for religion and for god in the first place.
God is only your adult version of your imaginary childhood invisible friend.
you guys also like to change our wordas around, I never "told a kid to expose himself." show me where I did, idiot. What I said was that homosexuals do not need separate changing rooms. you also need to do some research on sex crimes. heterosexuals commit the vats majority of them. NOT homosexuals. look it up. put down that piece of trash you call a bible and learn something.
It's wrong. It's plain wrong, always has been wrong, always will be wrong. Wrong is wrong and one's personal beliefs can't change wrong into right. God made us male and female for a lifetime bond in marriage. Using one's sexuality for anything less than what God made it for is wrong....perverting, twisting what is good into something evil which goes against God......and all the STD's in the world are the consequence of ignoring God's law for marriage in preference of abusing one's body for sexual gratification.
You are going to find yourself in the fire of Hell, unable to escape, if you don't repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. The argument you are making is against your own soul, your own life, your own salvation. You are arguing for your own death and if God gives it to you and you wake up in Hell, you deserve it and your nasty attitude won't get you out of it.
You can keep saying that but it just seems so completely made up. And I have no reason to trust your validation in the fact.
If Christianity is the one true religion, over 5 billion people are going to Hell. Why does God allow this? Why would God set into motion actions that would lead to a vast majority of his creations suffering for eternity, through no fault of their own except where they were born?
I have no reason to read your posts. I have seen enough to know you hate God and you hate His word and you hate people who believe God and His word. You are going to face Jesus Christ as your Judge if you finalize your dying rejecting Him from being your Savior, and you will be castaway in the Lake of Fire. Wait and see if you don't want to believe it. You will see. Be a fool if you want to, fear God if you want to. Whatever you want to do. My guess is that you will finally and forever provoke and incur God's wrath in the flames of Hell. I really hope you prove me wrong.
I'm not really sure what you're trying to do on this site, but unless it's to troll, which it may be, I am pretty sure that you're doing a really bad job at it.
You are not really sure because you are lost and trying to avoid admitting that you are on your way to Hell. I am sure my sins have been paid for by God's own blood when He took my place in death to pay my debt so I could be pardoned....you could know what I know but you prefer being not really sure; lost.
I'm not reading your posts any more. I have learned that people like you who think they are educated will not listen to reason and are a waste of time to try to reason with. Your arguments are tired old worn out distortions common on the internet. I've spent a lot of time debating with people a lot more experienced and a lot better at presenting your lines of argument than you have shown....it's junk that's easy to find on the internet. They, like you, are totally closed minded and will not listen to common sense disputations of the nonsense they have chosen to believe in spite of God.
The end you are facing is that God loves you so much that He gave His only begotten Son for you, who paid for your sins with His own blood. You are trampling His blood under your feet, an insult to your Creator, and it's Him you will face in Judgement to answer for the debt you owe Him; you owe Him your life and He will require it of you. You will serve the remainder of your eternity in Hell as a rebel against your Creator if you will not receive Him personally as your Savior, believing in Him in His resurrection to justify your existence outside of Hell and receive you in His Heaven in eternal life where you could be happily glorifying your Creator instead of paying the debt you owe in Hell which is JUSTICE against those who hate God.
You can really be sure of being forgiven and pardoned from the debt you owe if you will believe God loves you so much that He paid your debt so you can be forgiven of it. You can be sure your existence outside of Hell is forever justified by the fact that He is risen from the dead and has invited you to trust in His forgiveness, to receive Him as your Savior, to have His gift of eternal life.
All you have to do is as simple as ABC, so simple that a young child can understand....
A) Admit you are a sinner worthy of death and Hell
B) Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ...confess with your mouth that He is LORD and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead
C) Call on God the Father in the name of God the Son, Jesus, to save you and He will save you NOW.
"C" is commonly called the sinner's prayer, and I have heard of some phrasing it something like this; "Oh God, I know I'm a sinner and need to be saved so I'm believing you can do it and I'm receiving Jesus Christ as my Savior now. Thank you for giving Him for me, thank you for your forgiveness, thank you for saving me".
Many have said a prayer like this mechanically, and not honestly in need from the heart. They had or have a head knowledge but never really had a change of heart, never really believed they were on their way to Hell and needed to be and could be saved from it. Those people will say they were Christians, they were believers, but in reality they NEVER WERE. If you really repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, He becomes your life and lives in you by His Holy Spirit who makes you a new creature, a child of God, who will be like Jesus in His glory when the corruption of your body is complete and your time in it is finished.
This is the driving force of my life which God bought with the blood of His Son, He is my life and I know I have eternal life and I want others to know as I know. I want God to do whatever it takes to change me, make me more like Jesus so He can be manifest more and more in my life until I see Him face to face and am perfectly and forever changed to be like Him free of sin forever and I will joyfully thank Him for creating me and giving Himself for me to save me from Hell and I will glorify and honor Him with ever fiber of my being, purified from sin, forever and ever and ever in His Kingdom where there will be no rebellious sinners like you because they will be forever removed from the presence of the living and confined in Hell, never again able to experience anything good from God who is love because they rejected the gift of His love in giving His Son to pay their price.
You are just a fool, a smart mouth little punk, if you will not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and use all your silly arguments as a smokescreen for your useless attempts to justify yourself as a sinner. I hope you will get saved and be sure of eternal life, but I'm guessing you will not and you will burn in Hell forever. I hope you prove me wrong, but you are going to prove me right, aren't you? Are you sure?
Well that was a very amusing load of nothing. I know you won't read this, which is why you keep responding to me.
Lets talk about your ABC's, my favorite part of what you just wrote.
A) Admit you are a sinner worthy of death and Hell
In other words, you think that every single person on the planet deserves death and eternal suffering. What a pleasant person you must be.
B) Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ...confess with your mouth that He is LORD and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead
I can't just choose to believe something in my heart. I have repeatedly explained to you why I can't, to which you respond by calling me a fool. You have yet to explain why it is foolish to not believe in magic.
C) Call on God the Father in the name of God the Son, Jesus, to save you and He will save you NOW.
Responding to the first five or six of your words, you are an idiot, a fool who thinks they have the right to exist outside of the fire of Hell as a sinner. I believe you are going to burn in Hell throughout eternity based on your words, actions, and sinful character....and I hope you prove me wrong in that belief, but to do that you will have to agree with God as to His right to punish sin and His justice in that punishment...meaning you will have to admit all of your guilt to God. I think you don't have the guts to do that because it would be concession to God's right to end your time of dying at any moment in any way He chooses.
You are a proud, brave fool, and by repeatedly opposing God you are incurring more and more wrath from Him upon yourself and your repetitive self-destructive behavior defines you as an IDIOT.
You can call me a sinner, but you're the one who thinks everyone you meet deserves to die.
Lets talk about your ABC's, my favorite part of what you just wrote.
A) Admit you are a sinner worthy of death and Hell
In other words, you think that every single person on the planet deserves death and eternal suffering. What a pleasant person you must be.
B) Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ...confess with your mouth that He is LORD and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead
I can't just choose to believe something in my heart. I have repeatedly explained to you why I can't, to which you respond by calling me a fool. You have yet to explain why it is foolish to not believe in magic.
C) Call on God the Father in the name of God the Son, Jesus, to save you and He will save you NOW.
Well, at least you have simplified your stupidity in this response. You won't get proof because you won't believe it. The reason you won't believe it is because you are proud and love yourself, love your sin, love your own way, and hate God.
All you have is dying and somehow you think it's good or ok. The only proof of God's right to rule over and against you that you can get the way you are asking for it is to be castaway forever in the Lake of Fire.
Prove me wrong and I'll stop calling you an idiot, fool. I'll also stop calling you a fool. I'll also stop calling you a proud and brave fool. Until you prove me wrong, you are an idiot repeatedly clinging to your condemnation and adding more and more of God's wrath to it, and a proud and brave fool thinking you are proving God cannot leave you in Hell forever.
You are what you are if I say you are what you are or if I don't say you are what you are. God knows, and you can't hide anything from Him. Go ahead and try to if you want. You don't answer to me, I am not your judge, and if you want to see for yourself in dying that God has the right to rule over and against you, then go on ahead and do it...because that's all you are doing and your mouth is tiring.
I don't read your posts any more. You are a closed minded hater, you won't listen to God who is trying to reach you to save you from Hell. Your fighting against God is only in favor of your own death which you love while you hate God. You're an idiot, and I'm not interested in your worn out junk.
Okay, now you've gone and twisted it again. I do think that marriage and sex is only between a man and a woman, but only because that is the only way for people to reproduce and that sex is only for reproduction. To blame STDs on homosexuals isn't discriminatory or anything, but it is wrong. STDs are just bacteria, viruses, and other microorganisms that can be transmitted sexually.
STD's are passed by people having sex outside of marriage. I think I was clear in saying that, and AIDS is STILL as it always has been, predominantly a homosexual male disease due to the fact that certain tissues of the body are designed for easy permeability in males and females. and sodomite men prefer males over females who's tissues designed in part for her husband are much more resistant to diseases. The diseases passed among women, STD's including AIDS, would not spread if people would preserve their bodies for marriage.
STD's spread because of perversion of God's design of a man and woman joining to be one flesh in marriage. Any sex outside of marriage is wrong. If you say it's not wrong, and your children get AIDS or any other disease from people they have sex with when they are not married, you can blame yourself for absconding parental duty to guide your children to live right.
Homosexuals are responsible for the explosion of AIDS which was first name GRID (Gay Related Immune Deficiency) when suddenly large numbers of sodomites were found to have a wasting disease which was unfamiliar to the medical community. I clearly remember reading about it in the newspaper when the epidemic began and quickly became a global pandemic....it was around 1983-4 if I remember...I'm not good at remembering dates, but I sure remember the news stories about GRID, named shortly after large numbers of sodomites were suddenly appearing asking for medical treatment with a wasting disease; turning into skin and bones from a previously unrecognized illness. It wasn't long, seems like it was only a week or two before they found that it was caused by a virus and they labeled it GRID...Gay Related Immune Deficiency....and then it was only a matter of weeks or a month or two before they announced that they had changed the name to AIDS to relieve sodomites of being blamed for the disease they never would have acquired or spread if they were not stinking perverts degrading their bodies in dirty sexual acts, and how quickly the changed the name to AIDS to be politically kind/correct and try to brush aside the responsibility for the epidemic which clearly belonged, and still belongs, with the sodomites.
I hope you are not so void of common sense that you can't see the truth about the issue. Sodomites have done all they can to bury the truth about AIDS. The disease is STILL largely a sodomite disease. Yes it's passed through transfusions (and you can be sure that most of the AIDS tainted blood that infects innocent people was donated by sodomites who need to sell their blood to buy a pack of cigarettes and some beer for their butt-buddy) and sometimes through females, but it is STILL largely passed and suffered by the sodomites much more than any other group.
The Bible puts it this way :“And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” (Romans 1:27)
Why do you think they hate the Bible, and they hate Christians, and want to outlaw the Bible as "hate speech"? It's because they hate the truth and they hate God and they hate people who trust God and honor His word.
Right is right and wrong is wrong. All sex outside or marriage is wrong, and sodomy is in a class of perversion more strongly referred to as "abomination". It's wicked, evil, and always wrong....the same as all adultery, all fornication, all sex outside of marriage....WRONG.
Those diseases cannot be transmitted beyond one person if one person carries it into marriage and they remain faithful to their vows until death. It would be very rare for anybody to have any of those diseases if they would keep their bodies undefiled before marriage. People who pervert God's gift of sexuality and degrade their bodies as objects of pleasure rather than gifts from God by which they honor the giver when they keep it pure until they are joined with a spouse in the merging of two fleshes into one as husband and wife........those people are responsible for any STD they have and any STD they spread, and yes a few innocent people who never have engaged in perverted sexual acts as sodomites or normal male/female fornicators contract STD's from non-sexual sources such as transfusions, but those diseases would be extremely rare or non-existent if not for the perverts who try to push those diseases as a normal part of life...how twisted can a persons mind be to say that their own personal choices merit no blame for the consequences of disease they carry.
Sexual indulgence is not only for reproduction, it's a bonding for a husband and wife to enjoy. Any usage of God's gift less than what He gave it for is abuse of what He has given and is perverted against God. A husband and wife are to enjoy committing their bodies to each other in a lifetime bond if they are able to reproduce or not. It's a gift from God.
Perverts need to repent of all their perversions and stop being perverts and don't get dirty any more and reserve sexual expression for the spouse God might give them until death parts them. It's simple common sense right and wrong black and white indisputable logic. Be a pervert and blame yourself for any disease you contract, and be blamed for any disease you pass to others.
Why are there separate changing rooms for men and women? Because, people are usually uncomfortable, when around strangers of the opposite sex - precisely because these strangers are, or could be, sexually attracted to them.
The situation gets even worse, when straight people are in the same dressing room with gays. Because, not only are the gays potentially attracted to the straights, - straight people find that fact repulsive (unlike in the case of men and women in the same dressing room). So, that would be even more discomforting to the straight people (which also happen to be the vast majority).
So, it would indeed make sense to have separate dressing rooms for gays.
Of course, this logic only holds true for countries where gays are "accepted" and celebrate their "coming out" BS.
Otherwise, there is no need for such arrangements.
Or maybe heterosexuals can realize that all people who aren't straight aren't super into them.
It is my prediction that bathrooms at least will become genderless with individualized privacy. Not sure about changing rooms, but think about it: why do we separate genders?
To prevent people from being sexually aroused by those they see? There's no way to verify sexual orientation, and trying to enforce that would be clear discrimination. And as gender identity has become more fluid, it's hard to separate gender into two sectors that way.
I disagree that such separate facilities could be interpreted as discriminatory. In fact the provision of such an amenity should be interpreted by gays and lesbians as a thoughtful recognition of their deviant sexual orientation, all of whom seem to place great importance on 'coming out' and advertising their condition. If they did perceive such a move to be discriminatory then that would raise the strong probability that the feminist brigade could claim sexual discrimination for not being allowed into the men's changing rooms and/or men claiming discrimination for being barred from the female changing areas. I feel that the concerns of heterosexuals who feel uncomfortable, or maybe even threatened by the presence of these ''deviants'' should be seriously considered.
I disagree that such separate facilities could be interpreted as discriminatory.
Well, me finding it discriminatory clearly proves you wrong. xD
In fact the provision of such an amenity should be interpreted by gays and lesbians as a thoughtful recognition of their deviant sexual orientation, all of whom seem to place great importance on 'coming out' and advertising their condition.
While many do find it important to have pride in their history, it doesn't mean that they should be separated from and isolated from others. Should blacks have felt proud to have their own water fountains and bathrooms?
I feel that the concerns of heterosexuals who feel uncomfortable, or maybe even threatened by the presence of these ''deviants'' should be seriously considered.
Of course it can be considered. And I have provided a solution: individualized privacy. If someone feels 'threatened' or uncomfortable, they should (and do) have places to go with additional privacy.
But who's to say a gay person wouldn't get uncomfortable with another gay person looking at them? Giving them their own changing room simply takes the problem off of you, and forces only gay people to deal with it. That seems pretty discriminatory to me.
Additionally, your premise is completely impractical. How do you verify someone's sexuality? How do you enforce this?
I am genuinely disappointed that you found it necessary to turn to juvenile pomposity to mask your meaningless counter argument(s), so I have no alternative but to eliminate you from any future involvement in my debates or answers. I won't ban you, but due to your embarrassingly low grade replies I would instruct you not to participate in any of my threads.
I'm very sorry if I offended you, I have been in a somewhat offhandedly attacking mood today. But I'm not quite sure how I was offensive in my comments, or why my counter arguments were meaningless. If it is as low-grade as you say, it should be easy for you to refute my claims.
I disagree that such separate facilities could be interpreted as discriminatory.
Well was it discriminatory when we separated black people from white people? If you find that separating blacks from white is discriminatory then how do you not see the same for gays?
In fact the provision of such an amenity should be interpreted by gays and lesbians as a thoughtful recognition of their deviant sexual orientation, all of whom seem to place great importance on 'coming out' and advertising their condition.
Because they don't give a fuck about what others think about their sexual orientation... Well some of them... Also this isn't 100% true. I go to school with gay kids and they have tried everything to hide it. It wasn't until just recently we discovered they were gay. I found nothing wrong with their orientation but a lot of kids did. Let's just hope soon it will be seen as a natural part of society and they won't have to hide it.
If they did perceive such a move to be discriminatory then that would raise the strong probability that the feminist brigade could claim sexual discrimination for not being allowed into the men's changing rooms and/or men claiming discrimination for being barred from the female changing areas.
I personally believe we should have one large genderless restroom that is filled with large stalls for people of all sexes to use.
I feel that the concerns of heterosexuals who feel uncomfortable, or maybe even threatened by the presence of these ''deviants'' should be seriously considered.
What makes you think that all gays are checking out the straights and/or other gays?
I glanced at this, not knowing who wrote it, not reading the entire post, and saw your desire to have universal restrooms for everybody. No surprise it was you writing this, it's one of the stupidest things I have ever seen suggested.
What planet did your parents come from? Women want their privacy, they don't want to be in public restrooms with men they do not know. Yes there are a few psychotic women who think they are mouthy and strong enough to discourage all perverts whenever they want to, but do you think men want women who are like that to be in their restroom?
Who in the world was it that taught you common sense? They surely must have been sleeping too much while you were learning for deviant minds.
I glanced at this, not knowing who wrote it, not reading the entire post, and saw your desire to have universal restrooms for everybody. No surprise it was you writing this, it's one of the stupidest things I have ever seen suggested.
How is it stupid? A large restroom filled with stalls that easily can be locked. There will be no under the stall hole like there are in the current public restrooms and Tada! You got yourself a hundred slightly larger than a portapotty stalls.
What planet did your parents come from?
Planet Earth, how about yours? 'Cause they need to teach you what respect is.
Women want their privacy, they don't want to be in public restrooms with men they do not know.
It wouldn't exactly be sharing a restroom. It would be more like walking down a hall then going into a stall that is completely covered. So no Herbert-type person goes peeking under the stall.
Yes there are a few psychotic women who think they are mouthy and strong enough to discourage all perverts whenever they want to, but do you think men want women who are like that to be in their restroom?
Same stalls would be given to the men that I said the women would have. So that way nobody can peek at eachother.
Who in the world was it that taught you common sense? They surely must have been sleeping too much while you were learning for deviant minds.
I'm starting to think your FromWithin's second (or third) account.
You can't really verify someone's orientation in the locker room (unless of course it was part science lab). But I said that because you said There's no way to verify sexual orientation you didn't say It's hard to verify sexual orientation.
You put the sodomite locker room on a island and lock it after all the sodomites are inside, and then if you catch a sodomite in a normal change room, you ship him off to the island where he can change with likeminded perverts who will enjoy his perversion and dirty mind and body.
As I feel it would be wrong to forcibly corral the ''deviants' into their own exclusive changing rooms the use of the facility would be used only by those gays/lesbians wishing to take advantage of the amenity provided for them. Whilst it is not always possible to distinguish between sexual 'deviants' and heterosexuals they can regularly be identified and anyone who is clearly sexually abnormal and seen using the locker rooms for regular members should be questioned about their motives for doing so just in the same way a male would be if he used the female changing facilities. In this day and age of gay openness, gay tolerance, gay acceptance, gay pride, gay rights, gay parades, and all that jazz the 'deviants' should not take offence at the entrance door of their 'special area' being displayed as, 'Changing room for gay men' and changing room for lesbians''. If they're so proud of their condition then they should rejoice at the existence of such a ''special place'' and take great ''pride'' in being seen using what was provided for them.
Good answer, and very well written...full of common sense. Sodomites should be happy they are in America where they can't legally be thrown from the windows of tall buildings like they can be in Muslim countries....well, maybe it's illegal in Muslim countries, but nobody is going to stop those bloodthirsty murderers who use their woman and children as human shields. If Muslims ever dominate America like they say they are going to do, there will be a lot of dead sodomites since the idiots came out of the closet and paraded their pride with their faces painted to get attention.
Well, you have an option for that already. There are plenty of bathroom stalls available just about everywhere where you are free to change if you feel uncomfortable.
I have an option to ignore your words, and that's what I do. You are lost, dying, on your way to Hell and need to be saved from it. All you have is vanity and your speech supporting sin and hating God is good for nothing but propelling yourself into Hell and persuading others to take the same road to the same destruction you are pushing toward.
I don't read your stuff anymore because I know it's going to be dirty and hateful foul mouth poison. You are lost, dying, on your way to Hell and need to be saved from it. All you have is vanity and your speech supporting sin and hating God is good for nothing but propelling yourself into Hell and persuading others to take the same road to the same destruction you are pushing toward.
Yes, you can go in the changing room for sodomites and call me an idiot for staying out of it and going to a safer place to change.....and because of your statements here, you will never be allowed in that safer changing room.
