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Public good You can get RICH - why not?
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Should healthcare be a business, or a public good?


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You can get RICH - why not?

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The thing about people who believe that healthcare is an inalienable right don't understand how much of a hit the economy would take if that were the case.

First of all, we're devaluing Doctors and the amount of time and finance they have put into earning their degree and becoming adept at medical science. If healthcare is a public good and does not cost anything to the individual, where is the money supposed to come from to pay the care providers? Are they supposed to be paid from the "bottomless Government fund" that exists solely to pay doctors? Well, no.

Are doctors supposed to work for free? They won't. Humans rarely work toward things on a mass scale without an incentive, usually financial. The medical fields of study will take a massive blow, and eventually there won't be enough care providers to tend to those seeking care.

And once again, capitalism is the only way to move the country forward. Any and all examples of socialism being successful are not pure examples of socialism, but rather corporatism; and often, with a much larger emphasis on capitalism than the defenders of socialism will admit.

Socialism will only ever work for the social and political elite, because they can afford it.

We CANNOT consider healthcare an inalienable human right. Can we make it more affordable, better quality, and/or more universal? Absolutely. That's the goal. But not working together to finance it as a country is the equivalent of everyone saying "Well, I want it, but I don't want to work for it. So I'm just going to say that I deserve it so that it will happen".

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Socialism will only ever work for the social and political elite, because they can afford it.

Oh, of course. Capitalism is working for everybody, clearly. That's why there are 13 million hungry children in the United States. Socialism, a system specifically designed to take power and wealth away from the elite and give it back to the people, only works for the elite. And capitalism, a system specifically designed to create a socio-economic elite at the expense of everybody else, works for everybody.

You have wasted the time it took me to read through your indefensibly stupid and self-contradictory nonsense and I am not amused by that. Socialism appears to be working absolutely fine and dandy in Europe, and it was America which almost bankrupted the entire global economy in 2008. Millions of people lost their jobs and their homes because of the the mass failure of capitalism and you think you can just sweep that under the rug and pretend it never happened?

And the biggest irony of all is that capitalism was saved by the socialist taxation system which idiotic cretins like you are always trying to avoid by hiding your money abroad.

You honestly make me physically sick. Your argument is logically indefensible, you are a cretin, and everything you have written is a complete aberration of the facts.

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outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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Ryan the Burrito tell us all how Free Healthcare is paid for !!!!!!!!!!

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excon(18260) Disputed
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Government management of naturally non-public commodities is never as efficient at meeting demand as the market.

Hello A:

If only that was so.. Like you, I'm a fan of the free market. But, we don't HAVE that. Government writes a lot of checks. Government COULD enter the free market to negotiate prices. But, they don't. I'm thinking the reason WHY they don't, is to help their friends in the pharmaceutical and medical device business.. There's a reason why an MRI costs $1,000 here, and only $90 in Canada.. That's not the free market.. It's the opposite of the free market.. What it IS, is price control, which is an anathema to the free market.

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Amarel(5669) Disputed
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I'm a fan of the free market. But, we don't HAVE that.

No, we don’t. Prior government meddling has lead to everyone being tied to insurance companies for even their mundane medical needs. The current situation puts a giant middle man with giant costs between the producer and the consumer. The answer is not to make the middle man bigger with more government overhead.

Government COULD enter the free market to negotiate prices.

But they shouldn’t. The reason is they have no skin in the game. A government loss is simply a tax payer loss which is why they are so willing to lose and keep losing your money. They shouldn’t be given more of it to lose in more ways while having no incentive to deliver more of the product to more of the public.

There's a reason why an MRI costs $1,000 here, and only $90 in Canada..

There’s a number of reasons. One of those reasons is BECAUSE an MRI is $90 in Canada. Price ceilings in other countries cause shortages that cannot be covered by accurate prices within those same countries. In other words, other countries’ price ceilings cause higher than equilibrium prices in the US, a problem that cannot be corrected by the market so long as government middlemen with massive overhead stand in the way.

The current system needs more free market, not less.

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