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44
Yes, raise those taxes No
Debate Score:60
Arguments:45
Total Votes:68
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Should healthcare be free in America?

Many leftists believe that healthcare should be free in the United States, and those who are sane disagree with them. What do you think?

Yes, raise those taxes

Side Score: 16
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No

Side Score: 44

Nothing is free. But this is one very important thing we should collectively contribute to. U may never collect a SS check if u die early. But u r 100% guaranteed to collect back on a healthcare fund. I have paid taxes all my life for kids to go to school and I HAVE O KIDS!!?? How is that not socialism!!?? All those fucking Catholic s popping out kids - I pay for their school.

Side: Yes, raise those taxes
marcusmoon(586) Clarified
1 point

All those fucking Catholic s popping out kids - I pay for their school.

I know it is not an original idea, but we should convert the schools to slaughterhouses, and then butcher the children. We could distribute the meat to feed the poor.

Side: Yes, raise those taxes
1 point

so·cial·ism

ˈsōSHəˌlizəm

noun

a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Side: No
Zuul(69) Disputed
1 point

Nothing is free

Taking a piss is free.*

Side: No
1 point

Yes it should. Not everyone can afford a normalised price, people die because of it unnecessarily. Raising taxes to provide free healthcare means everyone can afford it. They can pay a share of their earnings instead, which is something they can do.

Side: Yes, raise those taxes
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
2 points

Yes it should. Not everyone can afford a normalised price, people die because of it unnecessarily. Raising taxes to provide free healthcare means everyone can afford it. They can pay a share of their earnings instead, which is something they can do.

Again the Mental Midget speaks and admits there is no free healthcare LMMFAO

Side: No
1 point

Guess what, Nomo? If you don't work, you shouldn't get any benefits. If healthcare were somehow impossibly free, those without jobs would get benefits for essentially doing nothing. And no, raising taxes doesn't mean everyone can afford it because clearly, those without jobs receiving this "free" healthcare can't afford the taxes necessary. So, the healthcare is still paid. But, it's paid for by complete strangers.

Side: No
Polaris95(247) Disputed
1 point

Not everyone who doesn't work does so because they're lazy. Many just can't find anything, or don't have the necessary skillset for the available jobs they've rounds. And the government shouldn't discriminate against those that don't work, by not letting them be able to have healthcare. Especially in emergencies, this could be very damaging and potentially life-threatening.

Side: Yes, raise those taxes
Nomoturtle(716) Disputed
0 points

So, the healthcare is still paid

Nobody is in disagreement with the healthcare not being paid. Paying via taxes merely spreads the cost so nobody needs to die.

it's paid for by complete strangers.

Makes it just like pensions, no?

Side: Yes, raise those taxes
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
1 point

Walked into a pub today got myself a belly full of brew and only thing i had to pay was the taxes so i got free brew ROTFFLMMFAO

Side: No
marcusmoon(586) Disputed
1 point

Not everyone can afford a normalised price, people die because of it unnecessarily.

"No one gets out of here alive." (J. Morrison)

The reality is that people die no matter what healthcare policies we have or what care they receive.

The pertinent question is whether you want people to be able to live free, or would you rather enslave some people to pay the medical bills, etc. for other people.

Side: No
Nomoturtle(716) Disputed
1 point

The reality is that people die no matter what healthcare policies we have or what care they receive.

True. But not all deaths are unpreventable at that time. Better policies can result in fewer dying.

You think taxes are enslavement? Everyone receives healthcare, this is a fundamental service, everyone should have access to it. Therefore everyone should be expected to pay it.

Side: Yes, raise those taxes

Healthcare saves lives. ...........................................................................................

Side: Yes, raise those taxes
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
1 point

Obiecare saves lives is that what you are saying ????????

Side: No

Free for those who can't afford it, or like the working poor or disabled, but no taxpayer funded sex changes or abortions. I have the religious right to not pay for that.

Side: Yes, raise those taxes
4 points

Just like the proverbial free lunch there is no such thing as free health care.

The service has to be paid for one way or other.

As most people place healthcare at the top of their priority list they should make provision for this vital facility.

Side: No

Right, but instead of a kid needing "free" lunch because his parents are working and aren't able to pay for it, it's a jobless socialist saying that healthcare is a right. Like you said, healthcare should always be somewhere in your budget, no matter your income.

Side: No
2 points

It is a physical impossibility for any good or service to be free. .

Side: No

No, of course not. Healthcare should be paid for, just like other services. Leftists may argue that "it works in Denmark!", but the middle class' tax rate is 55.8%. The median household income before taxes, by the way, is only $43,597. So, Danes are giving away half of their household income for "free healthcare". It would actually be cheaper to just pay for healthcare in that case.

Side: No
Nomoturtle(716) Disputed
1 point

Free healthcare doesn't require an increase in taxes to extremes as in Denmark. Denmark provides other services aside from healthcare that put tax rates over 50%, it's not as though that's just for healthcare.

In the UK, the majority of the population pay 20% (with earners above $61k paying 40-45%) income tax and they have free healthcare.

Side: Yes, raise those taxes
2 points

If they're paying taxes, and the "free" healthcare is federally funded, then it's not free for those who are paying taxes. You don't deserve healthcare if you don't do anything you might require it for.

Side: No
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
2 points

In the UK, the majority of the population pay 20% (with earners above $61k paying 40-45%) income tax and they have free healthcare.

So that's free healthcare there Limey ROTFFLMMFAO !

Your brain does not work as designed !!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: No
0 points

Should healthcare be free in America?

There is no such thing as a free product or service. Somebody has to pay for whatever it is.

What this question is really asking is Should we FORCE some people to pay other people's (strangers') health care bills?

In Canada, Britain, Australia, and the EU, etc., there are already national health services. In the US, we already do this with Medicaid and we force some people to subsidize old people's health care through Medicare. Because that is already happening, we often fail to really consider what is happening.

Let's make the question less abstract.

Should Amarel be able to FORCE Nomoturtle to pay Amarel's medical bills?

If you object to the conflict of interest in how the question is framed, let's change it to

Should TheMadGadfly be able to FORCE Excon to pay for Brotoraptor's medical bills?

Once it is phrased that way, there is no way for an affirmative answer to even appear fair to anybody who values freedom and individual personal property rights.

Now, if Nomoturtle or Excon want to VOLUNTARILY contribute to a fund to help Amarel and Bronto, that is their business, and it would be a kind gesture, and might even inspire the rest of us to pitch in, as well. However, stealing from some folks in order to give to others is wrong, even if we use the law to do it.

Side: No