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Debate Score:38
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Should humans have microchips implanted in them?

NBC has recently predicted that in 2017, all of America will be tagged with microchips. They will be implanted to help identify individuals immediately. With the RFID Microchip they can track the movement of the people that are implanted. They can also control the money and food of the people. It is also reported to be possible to even kill the people that don’t obey. It can potentially replace less effective forms of identification such as ID cards which can be forged, yet a feeling of insecurity rises in some of us. Should this be imposed on us? 

Implants should happen

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Implants shouldn't happen

Side Score: 23

It won't happen by 2017. But I think it makes sense to make your identification be yourself. I mean, we're already using out thumbs to unlock our phones, and even enter passwords sometimes. I expect that to expand over the coming years.

Side: Implants should happen
DBCooper(2194) Disputed
1 point

But I think it makes sense to make your identification be yourself. OH the contradictions you Democrats make. Democrats call voter ID racist but microchips make sense to you for identification to be yourself. Democrat you can't have it both ways.

Side: Implants shouldn't happen
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

You are too fucking dumb to understand either argument.

Side: Implants should happen
MrBentler(6) Disputed
1 point

But the real question I have to ask is should it be required by law? Most Americans have a smartphone or some kind of electronic device that connects to the internet, but it's not required. It is however required to have an ID. But chips take it a step forward and now, the government can track wherever you are without your permission and it's inescapable, Unless, of course, you dig it out of your skin. Which could be painful and/or lethal. In essence, the idea is good for a utopian society. But we're not there yet, and evil exists and something this far makes me nervous that people want this to happen. Do you think it should be a choice or do you think it should be required by law?

Side: Implants shouldn't happen
1 point

A choice of course, especially in the short term. My argument is more that it will become required only by necessity, not by legislation.

Side: Implants should happen
Mint_tea(4641) Clarified
1 point

Required by law? No. It should be a choice, the moment you force someone to change their body is the moment you (in this case the government) oversteps its bounds. If a person decides they want to have a chip implanted to make things easier for themselves that's one thing, but forcing someone is a different ball of wax.

Side: Implants should happen
1 point

Following Aristotle's virtue ethics(most favored ethical theory) we should improve our body and mind to its utmost capability and capacity respectively.

Side: Implants should happen
sylynn(626) Disputed
1 point

How does allowing the government to track us and decide if we live or die "improve our body and mind"?

Side: Implants shouldn't happen
2 points

implants shouldn't happen but they will, 100% guaranteed.

The fusion of man and machine will happen. It's inevitable.

Soon your phone won't be something you hold.

I'm telling you, my clairvoyant powers already told me this as a 6 year old.

I knew where this is heading and it won't be good in the long run.

They will use the fear of losing your kids to get people to vote for implants.

There's nothing more powerful to convince someone that has lost their kid and when u play on that fear, you'll have them. Tiny non-intrusive little implants, as thin as paper, and as small as speck of sand, slip it under your skin, vola! Easy as pie.

It shouldn't ever happen, but it will. I saw it.

Side: Implants shouldn't happen
1 point

Personally, I think implants provide us with much more risks than benefits to our well-being. While it can potentially solve some of the problems in our modern society, there are other alternatives yet to be explored and it is quite daunting to know that the government knows where you always are and will be, with the power to terminate you if they see fit.

Side: Implants shouldn't happen
1 point

Does NBC know that 2017 is next year? We can't even get everyone to use the microchips in credit cards. How the heck would we push out human implanted microchips in one year?

Side: Implants shouldn't happen

Whether it should or shouldn't happen is, at this stage, irrelevant as the population at large would never agree to such an intrusive measure being compulsory.

I mean, can you imagine ''Powerful Pedro'' the drug baron and his minions agreeing to such a crime busting step?

Maybe when the technology is sufficiently advanced there will be a few weak minded individuals who will consent to their implantation voluntarily.

After that we will have the formation of the 'thought police' when the predictions in George Orwell's book, '1984' will be complete.

Side: Implants shouldn't happen
1 point

I completely agree that it would never become compulsory, but I don't think that means it couldn't become necessary. I mean, cell phones aren't required, and yet most people need them to accomplish many daily tasks. And credit cards aren't required, but they are still used almost universally.

Imagine if major, private companies made it standard that you paid with a chip? I can easily see that happening. Not by 2017, but definitely in the not-too-distant future.

Side: Implants should happen
1 point

You're not comparing like with like.

Whilst the technological gadgets to which you have referred can, and do record many of the personal habits of their users, the various features can be disengaged or the entire hi-tech apparatus switched off completely at it's owner's will, and if so wished, permanently.

In other words the user has complete control over the device which is powerless to engage in the involuntary information gathering process if it's owner decides to limit or cancel it's features.

The implanting of a permanent microchip which could, and probably would record every conversation, every social/anti-social and professional action is a preposterous notion and will never be accepted by the people of any society.

There are few, if any, profit minded companies that would introduce such a consumer unfriendly, ''BIG BROTHER'' form of trading.

Only in such regimes as North Korea would any government impose such nightmarish electronic shackles on their citizens.

A sort of inbuilt ''black box''.

If we wish to ''SPECULATE'' about what may happen in the future then we are entering into the surreal world of the crystal ball hocus pocus which may have some entertainment value, but has no place in a rational debate.

As a footnote, can you imagine what a field day the world's hi-tech criminals would have with such a scenario?

Side: Implants shouldn't happen
1 point

In a perfect world, where there was no such thing as greed, corruption, the desire to murder, etc, sure. Obviously, we do not, and will never live in a world like that. No, implants would be a terrible idea for even maybe the slightest chance (and it's way bigger than a slight chance) that the government could take advantage of this and start a new kind of tyranny. It would be an inescapable kind of slavery if it made it that far, which would be inevitable at some point. I believe that it should be a choice. The moment it becomes law is where the line is crossed. If you are comfortable with the safety provided with the sacrifice of freedom, then you are free to choose that choice. But don't force others to put the chip inside of them.

Side: Implants shouldn't happen
instig8or(3308) Disputed
1 point

In your ideal world there'd be no need for them in the first place.

Think before you talk.

Side: Implants shouldn't happen
1 point

First off, the claim that NBC said we're all gonna have those chips implanted within 14 months or so from today is total bullshit. Prove me wrong by giving us a link, please. Otherwise I am going to claim you either totally mis-heard the claim or just plain made it up and pulled it out of your ass.

And despite what the conspiracy theorists and Snowden-esque paranoid types say, I really don't think we will have mandatory ID chip implants anytime soon. Almost assuredly not within my lifetime. Oh...they will be offered on a voluntary basis, as they already are with pets, but mandatory? No way, Jose. The legal and beurocratice backlash against such a proposed law will be overwhleming. And will tie-up the courts for years after Uncle first even gets around to TRYING to have the law instilled.

And you know what? They really don't need us to have RFID chips in our forearms. In case you're not aware, Big Brother already can find you if they want to, in a matter of minutes. Given all of your tracks and trails with your computers, social media; cell phones; government ID's and utility bills; banking info....ad nauseum.

Ten bucks and my left nut say that if at 7:30 a.m. today some NSA spook picks up his red phone and says, "Bring me SlapShot ASAP" that within, oh, 15 minutes tops, a black van will be pulling up beside me on the sidewalk outside of the Starbucks I just came out of with my Vanilla Latte on the way to class.

So who needs the chips? You already sort of have one in your phone, anyway. Uncle don't need 'em yet. At least not for a while.

LOL

SS

Side: Implants shouldn't happen
1 point

I agree even if they did start doing this it wouldn't be mandatory. That said, the argument to the lack of needing the chips quickly falls apart. As I sit here in my office, yes the government could easily track me based on the location of my cell phone. However, if I leave my office but leave my phone, I can no longer be tracked with it. A phone is easy to get rid of, an implanted chip not so much.

Side: Implants shouldn't happen
1 point

What facades as government surveillance, soon will become criminal surveillance. The chip's signal isn't something that can't be tracked by any skilled hacker who knows the password for a satellite. Before you know it, the Mob are watching your every move, one step too close to a police officer and you're assumed to be snitching and your whole family is raped and murdered.

Side: Implants shouldn't happen
1 point

Of course I don't think it should happen. There could've no greater threat to freedom.

But what I would indeed like to see is the alleged story from NBC if you can provide it.

Side: Implants shouldn't happen