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Debate Score:15
Arguments:16
Total Votes:16
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Should illegal immigrants be allowed in America?

I just wanted to know why people think they should be allowed in America. 
I also want to hear facts and not only because you feel bad for them and it's "morally" right to let them be here.

No

Side Score: 9
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Yes

Side Score: 6
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Illegal immigrants shouldn't be allowed to live in America.

They're breaking the law and shouldn't be here. Some of them want to live here for the better future for their family, while others do many bad stuff.... but both of them are criminals because they're breaking the law by being here illegally. If an illegal immigrant kills somebody, they can get away with it because they're not an American citizen, they're undocumented, and we won't have any information on them and who they are.

Also, they're not paying taxes. They don't pay taxes to our American government and they don't have to because they're not American citizens. They are living here for free so why should my parents have to pay taxes while they don't?

In addition, they always find ways to cheat and find their way around the American systems. There are so many illegal immigrants who voted during our presidential election. (I understand that it's not allowed/is illegal, but they still did it anyways)

Illegal immigrants should not be allowed America.

Side: No
1 point

The way the question is worded admits to only one possible answer. They are illegal because they are not allowed. If they were allowed, they would not be illegal.

I assume you are asking 1 of 2 possible questions.

1-Should amnesty be granted to aliens currently in the US illegally.

OR

2-Should all restrictions and requirements for immigration to the US be lifted.

My answer to both questions is no. We have laws and a border to help define the US as a nation. Without such tools, especially in a republic, the nation would rapidly devolve into a territory of other nations.

Side: No
1 point

I agree, and sorry about the way the question was worded.

It was literally my first time using this website :P

Side: No
marcusmoon(248) Clarified
1 point

Michelle,

I agree, and sorry about the way the question was worded.

It was literally my first time using this website :P

No worries. Have fun!

Side: No
1 point

What is even the point of having a legal immigration process if illegal immigrants can get most if not all of the same allowances to be here? Also what is the point of having a border if anyone can come and go?

But now that I've said that, it is a fact these are human beings. We define our society by how we try to treat our fellow human beings. The violent criminals need to go, the ones really just trying to grind out a living we need to be more considerate about. That doesn't mean they don't go, too, just that it shouldn't be rip families apart and chuck them across the border.

And, second fact, is that we have some industries and lines of business which thrive only because of the cheap labor they get from immigration, so we need to either accept those lower pay jobs ourselves, or carve out some way immigration can still do those jobs, or accept the higher prices and lower output which comes from not getting the labor to keep them going.

Ultimately the answer lay somehere in the middle ground. We do need border control, and removal of the really bad guys, but we also need the help of this economic nitch, and to stay true to the quality of people we as a nation aspire to be.

Going back to the debate title, my answer is in principle ILLEGAL immigrants should not be "allowed," but then also in principle we need a LEGAL path for some of them to be here, both to help families and to help our businesses who need their help.

Side: No

I think it's pretty indisputable that if we read the title literally the answer should be 'no'.

The issue is that, when you have such a large amount already in the nation, you may as well make use of them and let them and their children work for low wages and boost your economy... It's win-win.

Side: Yes
michelle02(32) Disputed
1 point

It's not a win-win at all.

Those illegal immigrants can just walk around the street and break the laws, but if an American citizen robs a store they get put in jail. We cannot pick and choose what laws to follow and what laws to not follow. If you want to live America, you follow all the laws and they're already breaking a main one by being here illegally in the first place.

Why should my mom and my family friends have to spend valuable time and money to come here illegally when now everyone can just come here for free?

Side: No
1 point

Those illegal immigrants can just walk around the street and break the laws

No they can't you bigoted moron. If they can just walk around and break the law then how do you even know about it in the first place? They'd have to be caught and put on the news in order for that to happen.

Your kind disgusts me. You still think you're living in the 1700s.

Side: Yes
1 point

The question you ask is about risk vs reward. It's a lot more likely life will be much harder having to avoid immigration authorities and the likes, not to mention the severe sanctions for if you get caught while being smuggled in and/or using fake ID.

Why risk getting caught? Once caught you're either getting deported or turned into a long term snitch asset depending how much you know about bigger, badder criminals (including the coyote who helped you across the border). Is that the life you and your family members wish to have? I don't think so.

When your life is so bad that what I just described seems worth the risk for the reward, you begin to understand how bad these immigrants had it in the first place to want to smuggle themselves into America in one last hope.

Side: Yes
Mint_tea(2532) Disputed
1 point

Those illegal immigrants can just walk around the street and break the laws,

No they can't. They are subjected to the same legal system as legal immigrants, the difference for them is if they are caught they can be deported.

If you want to live America, you follow all the laws and they're already breaking a main one by being here illegally in the first place.

This is true, they have broken A law, but they don't wander around free and immune from other legalities and break law after law for fun. They work, they pay taxes, they pay into our system and in many instances they do jobs most people really don't want to do at a fraction of the cost.

Why should my mom and my family friends have to spend valuable time and money to come here illegally when now everyone can just come here for free?

I think you mean legally? Right now the process to apply for citizenship is remarkably difficult but if you want to be here legally then you need to go through it, especially if you aren't in a situation where your life and the lives of your family are in jeopardy. Just because some people do something wrong doesn't mean everyone gets to.

Side: Yes
marcusmoon(248) Disputed
1 point

We cannot pick and choose what laws to follow and what laws to not follow. If you want to live America, you follow all the laws and they're already breaking a main one by being here illegally in the first place.

This is where I think the biggest conflict is focused in the illegal immigration debate.

On the one hand, laws (especially laws regarding borders, immigration, and citizenship) are what literally constitute a nation as a separate entity, identifiable and distinct from other nations.

On the other hand, cultural participation (whether economic, educational, civic, etc.) are critical to creating a national identity. The American national identity includes a certain disregard for law, an ethic of independence from governmental control.

This means the basic American identity is at odds with the practical requirements for defining America as a nation. Consider, those who disregard the immigration laws that help to define the US as a distinct nation, are by that disregard of law, demonstrating that they already resonate with something that is at the base of the American character.

Up to now, our nation has mostly ignored this irony, and completely ignored the geographic/security and the character/culture requirements for establishing and maintaining a stable nation with a common national identity.

We are finally dealing with that tension openly. This is not just pertinent to illegal immigration of people who are compatible with American culture, but also to legal immigration of people whose cultures are incompatible with the core of American culture (e.g., Islamists who favor Sharia over the Constitution.)

The coming decade is going to be interesting as we try to work out these conflicts.

Side: Yes
1 point

A lot of the Mexicans that come into the country aren't really immigrants, so let me know if you don't mean them - they do come in illegally, but with a purpose. They work as migrant pickers. They typically come for a few months out of the year to earn money helping with the harvest, then go home.

These people, I feel, we should create a special dispensation for - they often don't qualify for full work visas, from my understanding, but should have some equivalent for what they do.

Again, I'm not even sure if these qualify.

Now, as to actual illegal immigrants - there are a significant number that have come and made lives here. I feel that any that have come and found regular work, pay rent, and pay taxes, should have a path to a legal status, up to and including full citizenship.

I recognize that my thoughts here are highly debatable, but the vast majority of our ancestors came here without specific legal status. I also want to mention that I have a special appreciation for those that worked hard and made huge sacrifices to come here as legal immigrants - welcome to our...and now your...country.

Side: Yes