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Should kids wait till they get their HS diploma before they get drivers license?

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Side Score: 38
6 points

Well think about it this way, wouldn't it dwindle the gargantuan amounts of high school drop outs? OF COURSE there would be some kind of age cut off. I ask the question since our state legislature has considered this -.-. Also some kids are not mature enough to be behind the wheel. I know kids that I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a passenger in their car. So I can definitely see nothing changing but its just an option that could save lives after all the majority of car accidents involving young drivers.

Side: yes

You're right. There are plenty of kids that are simply not mature enough to be trusted with driving. But, there are also many, many adults that are not mature enough to drive. How about we come up with some way to test the maturity of someone rather than directly linking maturity to age? Today's system doesn't make sense. There are those that are mature enough to drive, and those who aren't, but they are the same age, so they have the chance to drive. If this was changed to a system where, somehow, the actual maturity of a person could be measured, some people could get their driving licenses early, and some people would have to wait until they were actually ready. Surely, these people wouldn't like the idea, but everyone else on the road would.

Side: age does not equal maturity
sparsely(498) Disputed
4 points

It's a good thing drivers licenses are given out based on measurable things, like skill and knowledge, rather than intangibles like "maturity".

Side: NO!!!
3 points

That is true but the population of teenagers to everyone else is 10 % and the amount of car accidents is over their population which has to tell you something about us kids driving. There is a link somewhere between teens and driving that isn't there for other age groups. Teens account for 12 % of all crashes a year and thats a 3 year span of kids. if your a teen you are 4 times more likely to be in a car wreck -.- not looking good for me.

Side: yes
sparsely(498) Disputed
0 points

How do you arrive at the conclusion that withholding a drivers license will keep someone in school who doesn't want to be there? Do you have any data which shows that this would be the effect?

Side: NO!!!
DaWolfman(3324) Disputed
1 point

I am just using common sense like the state uses when it makes this suggestion. If by law your required to drive rite at the dot of the speed limit or maximum 8 miles over would you? or would you be tempted to go over that limit? It would keep the teens that are really law mindful off the streets and it would discourage teens from dropping out of high school so they do not have to wait to legally be able to drive.

Side: yes
3 points

Well it doesnt sound like such a bad idea, teenagers are more than 3 times more likely to get into a car accident that anyone else and that is only a 3 year span of their lives.Those of you vigorously fighting the idea that maturity has nothing to do with it are somewhat rite it is also in experiance behind the wheel the longer they have their permit the better.

Side: yes
2 points

Well I've already made the cut so I do think it is a fine idea since there is a ton of high school drop outs it would just be another reason for us kids to focus more on our homework instead of cruisin the streets. Its good for teens to have a better reason to get their diploma other than Mommy or Daddy told ya so.

Side: yes
sparsely(498) Disputed
1 point

Again, could you provide anything to show that lack of a drivers license cuts down on truancy (with causative data)? It seems to me they'd just be cruisin the streets without a license.

Side: NO!!!
2 points

I think 16 is a good age to begin driving but I don't believe they should be on the road without parental supervision. While I admire those teenagers who do drive responsibly the fact is, there are not many out there. I was headed home one day and seen a huge wreck caused by a 16 year old who was BS'ing with her friends and saw a light turn green out of the corner of her eye. Assuming it was her light without looking, she punched the gas and slammed into a car that was turning. At the time, she was taking care of her brother who was 2 years old and screaming uncontrolable and running in the street while the teen was crying over the accident and not paying attention to her brother who was almost hit by another car. When I reached him and carried him to the curb to calm him down 15 minutes had gone by and she didn't realize that I still had her brother.

Teens for the most part aren't responsible enough to drive in this day and age. As the world grows increasingly more busy, most teens are falling behind as far as maturity goes. With all the behavior modifications and distractions like cellphones, Ipods, cd changers, and about 5x the amount of people on the road, lack of hard work, more narssisistic attitudes, less responsibility and less punishments for irresponsibility; teens simply aren't as mature as they once were.

When the law allowed teens to drive there were few cars, more open roads, less congested cities, kids were more compassionate, they took on responsibilities with pleasure. Back then, a teen would never talk back to their parents like they do now. I'm only 29 and even ten years ago I would have NEVER cussed in front of my mother, I would have been smacked in the mouth. But as the laws change to protect kids to the extent of coddling, the respect, responsibility and maturity that comes with teenage life goes out the window.

Side: yes
1 point

I think you're right but some kids that are sixteen know very the responsibility that comes from owning a drivers license.

I'm going to be sixteen in two years and I'm very responsible then most.

Side: yes
2 points

It would just incourage kids to get their diploma or GED wouldnt it?

Side: yes
1 point

In my personal opinion they should have to wait. Considering the fact that MOST teenagers do not mature until the age of 21 it would be smart. I emphasize most because me personally I know a few people that are very mature at the age of 16. Teens on the roads not matured is a caution. Most teens just full around and misbehave during their regular lives. What makes people think that we can trust they will be responsible? From what they have shown, they are more likely to continue to be immature and be more irresponsible. Plus, this statistic will keep more teens in school rather than dropping out. And for the drop outs, it will have them get back into school or a GED school.

Side: yes
1 point

I am 14 soon going to be 15 and I am not going to drive until I am out of High School.

Side: yes
1 point

yes we must although in America its the law but we are only kids this gives us a higher chance of being involved in accidents!!

Side: Yes

I think they should. It gives me shivers thinking about a 16 year old driving.

Side: Yes
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

They can't be any worse than you.

Side: NO!!!
4 points

If anything, the driving age in this country is way too high. The greatest contributor to teenage accidents is inexperience. When is the best time to learn to drive? As soon as you can reach the pedals (with adult instruction/supervision, of course).

Age has less to do with the likelihood of an accident than driving experience (although there are interesting exceptions).

And it makes sense. At 16, teenagers are getting their first tastes of independence, romantic relationships, drug/alcohol experimentation, etc. Throw on top of all that the fact that most drivers that age have a years experience or less, and it's the formula for catastrophe.

Not teaching your children to drive at a younger age (13 is my rule of thumb) is just setting them up for a disaster. If anything, make a learners permit possible to obtain earlier (13/14), to give young people the time to build up real driving experience (2+ years) before they're fully on their own.

Supporting Evidence: An Analysis of Crash Likelihood: Age versus Driving Experience (PDF) (deepblue.lib.umich.edu)
Side: NO!!!

I was able to get my permit at 16 and my full license at 17 since I took driving instruction at school but I had been driving one thing or another since the age of 11 or 12! In the beginning it was a farm tractor and then a jeep on the same property. Whenever I could I would beg friends of my parents to allow me to drive for a bit but it was always on back roads not to well policed. The experience I gathered during those years enabled me to become a very good driver! My first accident came when I was 17 during a very heavy ice and snow

storm in which I had never driven...but I was able to control the car after the skid and slid into a snow bank! I learned a valuable lesson that night. I was 17 then and am now 62. I've never had another accident that was my fault and only one at that. Some jamoke ran a red light and broadsided me!

I agree with Sparsely on this one because I've had the experience myself. I may have been a good driver without it but I do believe that the experience at a young age was invaluable. So was driver's ed. at school. If it's available at your school I suggest you take it.

The way things are now is a recipe for disaster and I've seen more accidents involving teens than any other age group. Depending on WHERE you live I think it would be fantastic to have a permit issued at a younger age and a permanent license a couple of years later. The more experience you have the better driver you will be. Even Automobile Insurance is very expensive at a young age and if you're a male driver under the age of 25, you may just as well take out a loan in order to pay for it! Why is it that expensive? Because that's when most people have the most accidents! So get as much experience as you can before you hit the road. If you don't, I'm afraid the road will hit you!

Side: NO!!!
3 points

No, because not all students end up getting their high school diploma. There could be a limit to the age, like a law stating that a student could try for a driver's license once they graduate high school beginning at age 16, and once they turned 20, whether or not they got a high school diploma, they could try for a driver's license.

If getting a driver's license is only available to those who graduate high school, it could possibly eliminate those less intelligent people from the roads, which could be a good thing. I've seen my older friends with licenses drive, and some drive better than average, but most don't, so this could be a safe change.

My argument really would best fit in some "middle" choice between these two, because both options have pros and cons. My gut feeling is to say no, because I don't think anyone's rights should be taken away.

I guess what I am trying to say is: let me turn 16 and get my driver's license and then you can change the laws all you want!

Side: NO!!!
3 points

1. Transportation difficulty

buses will be packed

schools do not have money now to fund for more buses

children may not have rides to school anymore vulnerable for schools to have more tardies

2 Economic trouble

23% of the people in the US are non highschool graduates

they play an importance role in the economical aspect of our country

they are our cashiers, retailers, food service, aides

Graduating highschool does not determine your maturity level

Side: NO!!!
3 points

High school kids in particular are already forced to deal with a ridiculous amount of stress, especially given that the entire school system puts so much value on a few numbers.

That being said, high school kids learn, in reality, very very little that will help them in the real world. Save for a few choice classes, the majority of their education is ultimately pointless. The best way to learn about the real world, finances, and how to manage both together is to work.

Now, if any of you have ever had a job, you know that transportation is a pretty big deal. If you can GET to your job, you can't HAVE a job.

Now, a common argument is "Teens aren't responsible enough to handle vehicles". My response is, yeah neither are some adults. I still know people that think the turn signal is an alien concept and they're in their late 30s. So don't give me that crap.

If you're seriously worried about irresponsible teens making it to the road, make the drivers test more rigorous. Give an IQ test beforehand even.

Another common argument is that it would increase dropout rates. I'm just wondering... How? If someone is going to drop out, they're going to drop out. Now, if they HAVE to drop out in order to get their license to work and support themselves, assuming a negative family situation, then that's even more motivation.

In summary-

It's an idiotic concept that teens are too irresponsible to drive.

If you're really worried, increase the difficult of the driver's ed courses.

Not allowing teens to get their license in high school will encourage drop outs.

The reason more teens have wrecks is due to their lack of driving experience. Raise the age and you'd see the same statistics over a higher age group.

Not allowing teens to drive is damaging their independent development.

Side: NO!!!
1 point

People should start learning how to drive at the age of 15+ so they can get good before they hit the streets and have more confidence in what they are doing. And with more experience may cause less crashes.

Side: NO!!!
DaWolfman(3324) Disputed
1 point

Some teens are not ready to be driving alone at 16 and need more time behind the wheel. Especially since teens are 4 times more likely to be in a car crash.

Side: yes
1 point

No, taking more responsibility away from kids causes more irresponsibility. Driver license restrictions is a form of ageism. If it is a matter of safety, should seniors take driving tests every 6 months to make sure their senses and skills are still up? No, if anything people should be able to get licenses at any age, final exams should be get tougher and a driving skill tests should be taken every year to keep your license valid.

Side: NO!!!
1 point

No this should not happen. I am in high school and I have two jobs that I have to drive to. I can't walk or ride a bike down a high way to get to my jobs. If this were to be taken away I would not be able to pay for the things I want and/or need. Tons of high school teens have jobs so they can get what they want and pay for the things they need. Why should the chance to earn experience from driving and having a job be taken away.

Now you're probably thinking why can you just ask for a ride from friends or family. Friends don't work with me and my family works all day and don't have the time to take me to work and then turn around just to pick me up. So if you think yes lets think for a minute. If you were in my position what would you say then.

I got my license and I am about to be a senior in high school. I am taking a college computer class that I again have to drive to. So add two jobs and a college class. I will ask this one last time. Please put your self in my shoes before you vote for yes.

Side: NO!!!
-1 points

I just got my permit and I intend to get my license in 6 months. And when we HS students have our licenses we can drive ourselves to school and what-not so it takes a burden off of our parents.

Side: NO!!!
1 point

I'm going to get mine and it takes the burden from my Parents.

Side: age does not equal maturity
-1 points

He makes a good argument but I want my license the day I turn so ... if they want to make that decision after I'm driving I'm not gonna complain!

Side: NO!!!
-1 points

No...they're completely unrelated!

Side: NO!!!
DaWolfman(3324) Disputed
1 point

What should you be doing during the week when you have your permit? Don't tell it to me tell it to Florida's state legislature.

Side: yes