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Should marijuana be legal?

Legal Marijuana

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Illegal

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I use to be all for it being illegal, but after a while I started seeing it as a new type of tobacco; it would be much more cost effective to just legalize and regulate it. Besides, it's your own fault if you want to breath in a harmful substance.

Side: Legal Marijuana
1 point

Hi

There should be an easily accessible file somewhere so people can check if a question has recently been asked

Anyway four pages previously MrsGuido asked "Should marijuana be legalised

This is what I wrote:-

There comes a time when something is so commonplace in society that it becomes normalised.

When that happens the best we can do is to make sure we control the quality, manufacture, sale and ultimately the health of those involved.

There are variable qualities of marijuana and its synthetic form that need to be removed from marketplace because they are known to have adverse health effects.

However, providing legal amounts of a monitored quality product through a registered dealer should be the way to go.

Everyone benefits, the grower, seller, user and the government.

I would now also like to add to that, that smoking marijuana is just as harmful as tobacco and there are mental health implications for some users

Side: Legal Marijuana
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I would now also like to add to that, that smoking marijuana is just as harmful as tobacco and there are mental health implications for some users

First, do you have a source for the claim that it is just as harmful?

And second, it only has mental health implications for those who already have mental health conditions. It has not been shown to cause mental health conditions in those who did not already have them.

Side: Illegal
flewk(1192) Disputed
1 point

Marijuana smoke contains more carcinogens than tobacco smoke. I am referring to the pure forms. Nicotine seems to promotes tumor angiogenesis whereas THC seems to inhibit it. Marijuana has more tar and the inhalation method leads to higher tar deposition.

In the end, not much is known about long term marijuana use or non-commercial tobacco use. The focus of studies has generally been commercial tobacco use.

Side: Legal Marijuana
DKCairns(869) Disputed
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Hi

Firstly, any professional medical/health site regarding tobacco and cannabis smoking will give you information on the harms.

Check the NCPIC site on the respiratory effects of cannabis which states "Inhaling cannabis smoke in the long-term is likely to result in damage to the respiratory tract....harms appear to be additive for individuals who smoke tobacco and cannabis....cannabis smoke is carcinogenic" and the Healthline site "Is cannabis more harmful...? which states "... if one is to compare the health effects under typical use conditions, tobacco smoking is much more harmful to health. However, if one were to compare the effects on a “per smoke” basis then the two are likely of similar harmfulness, with cannabis having greater adverse psychological effects.The human body was not built to inhale smoke of any kind, and whether it’s the result of burning tobacco, cannabis or lettuce, inhalation will cause damage in proportion to the quantity inhaled.

Secondly as a mental health clinician I have been involved in the treatment of many people over the years for paranoid /psychotic illnesses brought on through marijuana use who did not have a pre-existing mental illness, however, we need to consider whether some people have what is considered to be a pre-disposition to a psychotic illness that is brought on by cannabis use.

There is a significant difference between pre-existing and pre-disposition and that is why I stated "there are mental health implications for some users". Check out the Sane website for info.

In only a few exceptions recovery occurred with treatment and cessation of marijuana use. However illness re-appeared when they returned to using.

Side: Legal Marijuana
liz0ris(13) Disputed
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I object. Tobacco has significantly more tar in it, meaning more tar is deposited into your lungs.

Side: Legal Marijuana
1 point

It's one of the least harmful substances that people regularly put in their bodies. There is come correlation between smoke inhalation and lung damage, source. That being said, smoke damage is from cigarettes as well and even from fire damage, so we shouldn't demonize pot smoking while sparing cigarette smoking. On the plus side, marijuana can be introduced to your body in many ways. Tobacco can be introduced in two main ways: smoking and dipping. Both have heavy correlations with cancer of the lungs and mouth, respectively. Marijuana can be ingested by baking it into a product or by concentrating it and adding drops to a drink or food. Furthermore, it has shown many cases where it has positive medical effects.

Lastly, no one has ever overdosed on marijuana, ever. The threshold between feeling effects from the drug and the drug killing you is so vast for marijuana that it's virtually impossible for it to kill you. If it takes a certain amount of THC to get someone high, it would take 40,000 times that much THC to kill them. Alcohol, on the other hand, can kill you with as little as 5 to 10 times the amount that would get you drunk, source. Again, why demonize pot and spare alcohol consumption?

Pretty much, I don't understand how anyone in their right mind can sit back and allow tobacco and alcohol to be legal but fight against marijuana. It's hypocritical and asinine to still think marijuana is as terrible for us as we did 30 years ago, before the mountain of scientific evidence came about in support of pot usage, while still smoking cigarettes and drinking beer.

Side: Legal Marijuana
flewk(1192) Disputed
1 point

It's one of the least harmful substances that people regularly put in their bodies.

Refer to the previous comment by DKCairns.

Marijuana can be ingested by baking it into a product or by concentrating it and adding drops to a drink or food.

Ingestion of marijuana has the greatest risk for adverse psychoactive effects. Wikipedia

Side: Illegal
MKIced(2483) Disputed
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That wikipedia article said nothing about "adverse psychoactive effects." In fact, it states that the compound that THC becomes through hepatic routes is "subsequently metabolised further to 11-nor-9-carboxy-THC, which is not psychoactive but might still play a role in the analgesic and anti-inflammatory effects of cannabis."

And I stand by the fact that pot is way less harmful than other drugs people regularly take. Compare deaths caused by marijuana with deaths caused by either alcohol abuse or tobacco. Show me numbers that prove people have ever overdosed on pot. Prove that it has absolutely no positive health effects. Give me a real reason why you think it should be illegal- this isn't just about whether or not you'd like to smoke it, this is about whether or not anybody can.

Side: Legal Marijuana

Instead of writing a new mini-story about why I believe marijuana should be legalized, I'll just copy and paste what I wrote on an earlier debate..

I have been an advocate for the legalization of marijuana for quite some time- that will not change as I fully believe this should happen. Uruguay has legalized cannabis for a couple years now I believe, so far, no issues. If anything it has helped Uruguay grow economically. I have not once heard on the news about people dying from cannabis down in Uruguay, or riots happening due to this drug, or elevated crime rate.

Colorado is another example of this. Granted, it is a US state however it is the same concept. It's grown economically, job rates have gone down as it has caused more jobs to open up for the unemployed.. there are more positives than negatives to legalizing marijuana.

We have alcohol and cigarettes, which kill millions of people each year, and yet we have all of these commercials talking about how dangerous it is for people to use. Well if it's dangerous, why have it legalized? Shouldn't that be a no-brainer? Marijuana is a herb, not a drug. I refuse to call it a drug as it is not true. If it grows in the ground, it is natural. Herbs grow naturally, marijuana is a herb.. not much more has to be said.

Side: Legal Marijuana

I don't want more money to have to be spent on the NHS treating people with mental illnesses. It should be allowed for medicinal purpose only.

Side: Illegal
MKIced(2483) Disputed
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Sure, prolonged use or early exposure to marijuana is correlated with some prevalence of mental illness, but only when there is a predisposed risk to getting that illness in the first place. That's like outlawing bread because some people have a predisposed risk for developing celiac disease. I can't find a single study that states marijuana smoking causes mental illnesses, and even if I did, a mental illness is just that- an illness. People seem to freak out about mental disorders as if they aren't pathologies to the brain, but something else entirely. But if we're so worried about passing laws to ban things that "cause" illness, lets first ban alcohol because of liver disease and cigarettes because of lung cancer.

Side: Legal Marijuana
1 point

But if we're so worried about passing laws to ban things that "cause" illness, lets first ban alcohol because of liver disease and cigarettes because of lung cancer.

I wouldn't ban them, I would just say that people suffering ailments because of excessive drinking or smoking cannot get treated on the NHS and would have to pay for private. However you can't do that with mental illness in marijuana users because as you said they had a predisposed risk anyway so you can't tell if it was because of that, therefore the only way the government can take action on taxpayer money being spent on self-inflicted conditions of marijuana users, over than to abolish the NHS is to outlaw it.

Furthermore marijuana makes you lazy and unmotivated. Therefore lots of people who smoke it regularly are likely to take the piss out of the welfare state and just be unemployed, living off their benefits money at the expense of the tax payer.

Side: Illegal
flewk(1192) Disputed
1 point

It is not only limited to predispositions. The article you cited cites this study.

Its conclusion: "At the present time, the evidence indicates that cannabis may be a component cause in the emergence of psychosis, and this warrants serious consideration from the point of view of public health policy."

Noted factors: "Several factors appear to moderate these associations, including family history, genetic factors, history of childhood abuse, and the age at onset of cannabis use."

But if we're so worried about passing laws to ban things that "cause" illness, lets first ban alcohol because of liver disease and cigarettes because of lung cancer.

Recreational marijuana is already illegal in most states. It is difficult to ban alcohol or tobacco due to giant lobbies. If the marijuana industry ever gets established, it will mean one more giant lobby for a harmful substance. We should prevent the legalization of harmful substances and ban legal harmful substances.

The FDA regularly denies pharmaceuticals that have actual medical benefits while also exhibiting less adverse side effects than alcohol/tobacco. Lobbies are pretty powerful.

Side: Illegal