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Yes, they know what's best Nah, they got no idea
Debate Score:26
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Should religion be allowed precedence over science?

Religious people disagree with scientific claims against their religion. Does this make them right? Should religious authorities be given the benefit of being able to shun scientific evidence because it goes against their beliefs?

Yes, they know what's best

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Nah, they got no idea

Side Score: 15

Well I definitely don't think there should be any legal compulsion involved, if that's what you are asking.

Side: Yes, they know what's best
1 point

This is a tricky one, but ultimately, I have to say that they should be allowed to disagree with scientific claims (though I'm not sure I'd say that they know what's best).

In general, I think that the freedom to question and disagree with scientific claims is one of the distinguishing features of science; all scientific claims, even well-established ones, must be subject to scrutiny and independent verification. If scientists don't allow people to question scientific claims, then they are no longer doing science; they're practicing a religion themselves.

At the same time, I also think that it is appropriate for people to defend scientific claims against religious dogma. Religious people should have the freedom to present arguments against well-established scientific claims, but their opponents have the right to point out flaws in their arguments and to present evidence for the validity of the scientific claims in question.

Side: Yes, they know what's best
1 point

I have always believed that religion and science should go simultaneously and harmoniously. Let's face it, not everything that scientists say or conclude is 100% right. There is always doubt and as time and intellect evolves new discoveries are put forward and previous concepts are updated and in some cases rejected, so despite exhaustive experimentation we cannot always conclude that science is 100% accurate or we would still have been following the 'flat earth' and 'sun revolves around earth' theories. But at the same time there has been a lot of instances when the church or islamic scholars or peers of any religion have made wrong deductions of the scriptures or things happening around and come up with wrong conclusions e.g when Galileo corrected the 'sun revolves around earth' theory but was imprisoned for it. Although religion can be perfect ( I am trying to accommodate all religious and non-religious people) but it depends on our interpretations which can very well be erroneous, because over the years even religious dictations have been changed according to the holy scriptures as people realised that their deductions of them were wrong. I know this uncertainty makes people uncomfortable but it is true. Hence I conclude that religion and science should not conflict but work together for betterment. The site does not allow me to vote for this conclusion specifically.

Side: Yes, they know what's best
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The true religion never contradicts science. The problem with science is that it's true for a period of time and it might NOT be after a while.

Big-bang and how creatures have been created is mentioned 14 centuries ago while we know that the knowledge of 3 centuries ago had nothing to say about them.

Quran 21:30

Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?

Side: Yes, they know what's best
SlapShot(2607) Disputed
1 point

So you really think the Koran knew about the Big Bang?

Hogwash. That description is so nebulous it could refer to anything. Your interpretation reminds me of how the Christian Fundamentalists try to say Genesis is an accurate depiction of Creation.

Science is not really "true" of 'false." It is a process which seeks the truth. Sure, theories may get improved and tweaked or refuted after a time, but when this happens it is done because of verifiable facts and experiments.The Empirical method. Religion has none of this. It's all opinion and groundless mythos, which some of you try to morph into science. This is laughable. And you should know that. Looking for science in ANY religion book, like the Koran , is like looking for a review of Aristotelian philosophy in a Trigonometry book. Apples and oranges, amigo.

Side: Nah, they got no idea
palmerito0(2) Disputed
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Very much agree with most of what you say. The Bible, as the Catholic Church (50% of Christians are Catholics) repeatedly says that what is important in the Bible is the message behind the words. By this we get theistic evolution, where God guided the Universe as it evolved.

Side: Yes, they know what's best
shalal12(2) Disputed
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Really? it can refer to any thing?!

Even weak language like English gives a clear explanation, let alone Arabic. What to you think when God says I have created every living thing from water. Possibly you say I knew that or its easy to guess!

What about other scientific points?!

14 centuries ago a man who couldn't read or write said: God say" Sun is not fixed. it's moving in the galaxy"

Quran 36:38

And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.

That man uses a verb for earth that cannot be used for a flat earth and describes the process of baby growing in mother's womb in a way that some doctors accept Islam just because of those verses.

The problem with you is that you are afraid of facts. You are right, ignorance can build a safe place for you to do what you want, ignoring the owner of the world.

Don't let your brain think and put it under the heavy propaganda and Islam phobia which exist in the media. Go0d luck with your ignorance

Side: Yes, they know what's best
3 points

Well the bigger issue would then be, which religion?

And determining which religion is correct is then a scientific endeavour.

Face it.

Science is inescapable.

Side: Nah, they got no idea
2 points

I think that the authorities should shut down the scientists for about one month. :)

We will see where these religious people end up when they have no medication to save them anymore.

Side: Nah, they got no idea
jacko(31) Disputed
1 point

Without a common enemy, religious folk will probably just fight each other--history is full of conflicts over differences in religious doctrine.

Side: Yes, they know what's best
palmerito0(2) Disputed
1 point

Note the one small yet extremely important word in your sentence: HISTORY.

Crusades were in the Middle Ages, are the religious people killing around the world are mostly EXTREMISTS.

EDIT: Also, science is not religion's enemy. Science is against religion when it is used for harm and wanton destruction. It would be hypocritical for anyone religious living to say science is bad.

Side: Yes, they know what's best
0 points

Do you not understand, that's the whole idea...

Side: Yes, they know what's best
palmerito0(2) Disputed
1 point

Quite a few scientists are religious, ya know. That includes doctors and pharmacists.

My school is very religious yet still has one of the best STEM programs in the area with internships, hands on experience, partnerships with local Universities and research institutions, etc.

Side: Yes, they know what's best
instig8or(3310) Disputed
1 point

Some scientists have imaginary friends named Jesus, Allah and a variety of other ones. This doesn't dispute what I said though. :)

Side: Nah, they got no idea
2 points

Of course not.

You can't take seriously an opinion based on "because my imaginary friend says so".

As science moves forward religion holds on to its shirt tails and tries to slow it down.

I dont think religion has a place in logical scientific debate.

Side: Nah, they got no idea
1 point

That's like saying: "Should fiction be allowed precedence over fact?" I don't think so.

Side: Nah, they got no idea
1 point

Well, the religious zealots ARE allowed to shun scientific arguments. They do. All the time. But I am not sure what you mean when you ask us if they should be "allowed precedence" over Science?

Probably No. Religion has mostly caused harm and death and war during its bloody history here on planet Earth. While science has given us everything: better living; health; technology; better food; medical advances; media; communications; these very computers we're communicating with right now. Transportation. Simply, a vastly improved quality of life.

Religion? Not so much? LOL. Oh, sure, some use their beliefs in imaginary invisible friends--you know, gods and risen carpenters from 2000 years ago--as a sort of psychological placebo effect. But that's about it. I used to have a bumper sticker on my truck back in Calgary that summed all this up rather nicely: "Science Flies us to the Moon. Religion Flies us into Skyscrapers."

If all organized religion were eradicated like a deadly virus next week--and some say it indeed should be--it is a very arguable point that the world might be better off.

On the other hand, the thought of anything borne of science being removed from us is preposterous, It would spell doom for the human race and we would all be thrust back into a Stone Age existence.

Let's just let religion stay where it belongs: in the corner, in the dark, with Greek Mythology (the Bible is simply Hebrew Mythology) and away from anything that remotely resembles tangible value and objective reason which betters all of humanity.

Side: Nah, they got no idea
1 point

Is this even a question? Religion does not have the ability to predict literally anything. Not one single thing. It is of no use in the natural world we live; it's only possible purpose is to entertain people just like any other fairytale. Science is the only reason why the human race is still in existence today and it would actually be extremely helpful if religious beliefs didn't interfere with the advancement of scientology.

Side: Nah, they got no idea